80% of Serious Covid Cases Are Fully Vaccinated – Israel Hospital Director
Professor Yaakov Jerris, the Director of a coronavirus ward in an Israeli hospital, has said between 70% and 80% of the serious cases in his hospital are vaccinated and that the vaccine has “no significance regarding severe illness”. Israel National News has the story.
Are Israeli hospitals really overloaded with unvaccinated Covid patients? According to Professor Yaakov Jerris, Director of Ichilov Hospital’s coronavirus ward, the situation is completely opposite.
“Right now, most of our severe cases are vaccinated,” Jerris told Channel 13 News. “They had at least three injections. Between seventy and eighty percent of the serious cases are vaccinated. So, the vaccine has no significance regarding severe illness, which is why just 20% to 25% of our patients are unvaccinated.”
Why are these figures so different to the England figures, where the latest ICNARC data show that in December, 61% of ICU patients were unvaccinated? Is Professor Jerris’s experience unusual, or is he mistaken, or is there something wrong with the England figures? Or is there a real difference between the two countries for a reason not yet explained?
Israel is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, having moved early with third doses and more recently fourth doses. Yet its current daily Covid death toll is the highest it’s been during the pandemic. Is it because many of the deaths are incidental Covid deaths from other causes, or is there some other reason? In light of what Prof. Jerris says, how many of them are vaccinated? There are many questions still to be answered.
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I am shocked; shocked I tell you.
it’s hardly surprising that 80% of Serious Covid Cases Are Fully Vaccinated, since almost 100% or Israelis are fully vaccinated.
The full vaccination rate in Israel as at 4 February 2022 was just under 66%. You need to try much harder Corporal.
https://ycharts.com/indicators/israel_coronavirus_full_vaccination_rate
According to “ycharts”…??? Who the heck are they?
I’d rather get my info from a reliable and trusted sources, such as Reuters.
And according to Reuters:
Israel has administered at least 17,902,871 doses of COVID vaccines so far. Assuming every person needs 2 doses, that’s enough to have vaccinated about 98.9% of the country’s population.
https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/israel/
But many have had four doses. Redo your arithmetic and don’t make baseless assumptions.
Reuters? I do hope you are kidding.
Why? Because YOU say so? You obviously don’t like any news agency and sources that doesn’t confirm with your own biases. Isn’t that why you’re here on this site? Looking for any scepticism about the vaccines so as to confirm your own biases?
You don’t have to answer that question. I already know the answer! ;-P
I hope you’ve had all your shots including the boosters. We need good folk like you to ‘stay safe’.
Almost 100%, no nationals are that stupid.
Correct! According to Reuters… 98.9% of Israelis have receiver at least 2 doses of the vaccine:
https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/israel/
Great stuff. You’ve just demonstrated how blanket vaccination has coincided with record case numbers, hospital admissions and deaths.
Good to have you here supporting our case against the vaccines.
Ycharts? Ycharts is just some small privately owned financial software company located in Chicago, Illinois. They’re the experts on vaccination rates? LOL…!!!
Reuters states that it gets its information from the Ministry of Health,Israel:
https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general
Where does ycharts get it’s Israeli vaccination statistics from?
Exactly! It’s simple common sense. If the exposure to COVID-19 stays the same, as more individuals are vaccinated, more cases, hospitalizations, and deaths will be in vaccinated individuals, as they will continue to make up more and more of the population. For example, if 100% of the population was vaccinated, 100% of cases would be among vaccinated people.
And according to Reuters… 98.9% of Israelis have received 2 doses of the vaccine.
That Reuters number is an assumption calculated from doses per person in Israel. Many of those doses were actually boosters.
Immune erosion is the real story as mentioned by this man.
Yes, but consider that it was in fact the ” vaccines” that gave them the “Serious Covid Cases”.
One can get used to anything….I am quite used now to the idea that our governments are trying to murder us.
Every day that goes by with this toxic bullshit still being injected into people makes me a little more amenable to the idea of depopulation. But for now I’m clinging to the idea that they are so wedded to the WEF idea of a global vaccine privilege system that they cannot back down even in the face of overwhelming vaccine injuries. Things are bad when that’s the optimistic interpretation!
But, as someone on here posted, they could simply have provided financial incentives to get people to agree to the passport system, and at much less cost than what has been spent on the pandemic.
Why bring in the absurd concept of repeated vaxxination? Even believers quail at the prospect of multiple injections.
I have recently put up some links to the NZ findings of nanotech in their vaxxes. If the real purpose is some kind of vaxxine tracker device, then a programme of physical injection makes sense….
As our rulers have been lying to us from the beginning I am now at the point where I make no assumptions on the basis of the old normal, but stay open to all new ideas. This new type of asymmetric warfare against the population will rely on inequities in information and knowledge. “They” do have technologies we are unaware of. We have to assume this.
Yes. You’re right, and I’m open to any interpretation – none of the ones I can construct make total sense. I must admit my overriding impression throughout has been that we were under attack. It’s not much of a leap to think that the vaccines are being used as weapons on some level. Then there’s Dr David Martin seeming to prove that the spike protein is indeed a bioweapon. He seemed completely convincing. I’m at a loss as to exactly what we’re living through. All I know is they’re lying, And I’m not naive enough to think that genocide could ever happen again.
I was sure from the beginning of this “pandemic” that the virus was not natural, as I had done a lot of reading on virology a few years before, and knew that viruses do not jump species as readily as they want us to believe, and knew the immense amount of research money that was spent on gain of function to enable just that – weaponising previously innocuous viruses.
I also think that whoever is behind this has constructed several equally plausible narratives as to what is happening – none of which may be true, or some of which may be true, such as that the virus was released (by the Gates foundation and others) in order to profit from the vaccine But the virus shows signs of weaponising – prion like domains and HIV inserts, plus an inflammatory insert, that suggest it is rather more pathogenic than it needs to be, and some of these later effects may show themselves long term. The virus was released in order to bring in Vax passports. But people could have been prompted to use these passports, digital ID etc by financial incentives, especially in the third world. Is it to cover a global financial collapse? I am sure it is, but there is no need to use a toxic vaxxine as part of the theatre. Why force a risky new vaccine onto pregnant women, if the motive is not to do harm? The manufacturers risk assessment clearly states that this is an unknown risk, as are many others. ADE – appears to be showing up now…no withdrawal of the vaccine though,… Read more »
It works.
It reduces transmission.
It reduces symptomatic covid
It makes the symptoms midler
It prevents hospitalisation.
It reduces the chance of hospitalisation.
It reduces the chance of serious illness.
Ok.. it doesn’t work…
BUT we/re producing a new version that does !
Crooks.
As Alex Berenson says in his most recent substack post there are six critical questions about the ‘vaccines’ that need answers. And I would argue urgently!
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/six-critical-questions-about-the/comments?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo0OTkyMDQ4NCwicG9zdF9pZCI6NDgyNjcxMDQsIl8iOiJXcWpIUiIsImlhdCI6MTY0NDA4NjA4OSwiZXhwIjoxNjQ0MDg5Njg5LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMzYzMDgwIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.I62z_O0Hp-rjQCpVH8sHXXTaVesgI74iqTJPaZflBs0
…and don’t forget, it’s safe and effective…
Does this mean we need a mass de vaccination pogrom.
‘Pogrom’ is right.
It’s probably irreversible, like the various binds the dishonest, stupid politicians have got us in.
How many more times does it need to be said?
Its a Great Reset fake ‘vaccine’ pushed by psychos and their lying medical collaborators for the sole purpose of transfering the remnants of the worlds wealth from the 99% to the 1%, while also pumping experimental nanotech into humanity along with delivering the elites long-planned digital ID/social credit system.
Prove me wrong.
Instead of doing a Trudeau, why dont the two downvoters just prove me wrong?
I wouldn’t worry, almost every post today has had a downvote, often just one. Someone is taking the proverbial. More fool them.
Either boredom, bloody mindedness, or a flawed understanding a la Michie of what makes real people tick (mostly up, with luck). Just a Downticking Onanist, with which most forums are saddled.
The issue is not for someone to prove you wrong, the issue is for you to realise that your debating methodology is flawed.
For example, I say there are aliens living on Neptune. Prove me wrong.
The reputation of the website will be judged by, amongst other things, the quality of the debates.
These topics have been discussed in depth on this website for quite a while.
https://odysee.com/@spearhead4truth:e/Nanotech-discovery-280122:9
Nanotech in vaccines
https://horizons.gc.ca/en/2020/02/11/exploring-biodigital-convergence/
Digital ID/social credit
https://caldronpool.com/australias-digital-identity-program-a-pathway-to-the-social-credit-system/
Billionaires’ wealth rises to $10.2 trillion amid Covid crisis
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/oct/07/covid-19-crisis-boosts-the-fortunes-of-worlds-billionaires
Thanks Kate, I’m sure I’m singing from the same hymn sheet as the two in the video, however, my comment was to do with methodology rather than subject matter. In any debate the effectiveness of the argument will be greatly affected by the maturity of the methodology.
As these discussions have continued over two years, I am getting to the point where I am having more problems finding the energy to follow the debates in depth. I used to be able to remember most of the relevant information to help in structuring an argument. Now I seem to be suffering from information overload – and cannot muster up coherent arguments. I think this is applying to quite a few of the longstanding contributors here!!!
As per subject matter, I’ve only had time to watch your first video at X1.5. It was very interesting. I’ll definitely wade through the others. But not tonight! Bye.
Exactly. I get fed up with articles that beat around the bush and dont actually come right out and state the obvious ie the ‘vaccines’ are 100% useless, dangerous, experimental garbage.
Yes. It does feel like going over the same ground. I can’t work out why I’m still so involved and what this will achieve! It’s part grim fascination, part existential terror and no doubt some avoidance on the side!
https://archive.md/O8uUS
More nanotech. What is it?
I added ‘prove me wrong’ to try and get a debate going – but no one took the bait.
I cannot prove or disprove alien life forms living on Neptune, so I would not downvote anyone that made that assertion.
Anyone who downvotes me should be able to disprove what I say. If they cannot disprove, then dont downvote.
Nine downvotes and not one can prove me wrong.
Bang on the money but then Dr Vernon Coleman convinced me of all this early 2020. Along with depopulation which is clearly occurring.
I think the minus votes means you are too near to the target. I cant see what you have said would get more than -1 from rayc.
Moving on, i had this rather strange thing happen at work. 4 people, 2 vaxed, 2 not. Scanned them on the bluetooth and the mac addresses were off the charts.
My Jabbed mate went wtf, he (&we) decided it must be from outside etc.
I know its not. so it passed.
You wont get a reply from the downvoter as you are near the target.
Do you mean that the two vaxxed gave mac addresses, or all four responded to the scanning?
Self assembling nano-circuitry is building an interface between brain and internet, so thought patterns can be directly transmitted into people’s minds to control their behaviour absolutely. It’s 100% real.
Vaccine passports can be a lever to get more young people jabbed, scientists tell Government
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/02/04/consider-using-vaccine-passports-get-young-people-jabbed-scientists/
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From the Telegraph article “A newly released paper by the Environmental Modelling Group (EMG) shows that researchers admit that vaccine passes have a “limited impact” on the spread of the virus because even vaccinated people can have breakthrough infections, and immunity wanes over time. However, they argue that they could be used as a “policy lever” to improve the number of young people being vaccinated.” “it is the first time that government scientists have admitted that they could be used primarily for forcing people to be vaccinated, rather than to stop the spread of the virus.” So in first sentence they say that the vaccines don’t work. Then in the second sentence they say that the vaxx passes can be used to get people to be coerced into having the vaccine that doesn’t work. If people cannot now see that it is not about public health then they never will. The report concludes: “In December, Boris Johnson briefly introduced vaccine passports for large indoor and outdoor events as part of Plan B measures to control the omicron surge, but the policy has now been removed. However, this new report suggests that the Government is once again considering passports for mass… Read more »
It’s not Johnson though, is it? It’s whoever is pulling the strings – and they will remain in control whoever the frontman/woman happens to be.
Johnson is clearly less wedded to Covidianism than many leaders, so if he’s complying with the agenda then any replacement is likely to be someone who is even keener to do so – i.e. a devout Covidian such sd Gove or Starmer.
Completely agree with this. Better the devil you know. Clearly it is people above Johnson directing things both here and abroad yet he appears to be showing more fight, though still not enough, than many other ‘leaders’ in his position.
The only reason Boris didn’t hammer us with a full blown Christmas lockdown was because he screwed up the Owen Paterson affair and partygate was just starting to break.
When 100 pissed off Tory MPs voted against his plan B offering he knew his wings had been clipped and strict lockdown was off the menu.
Good point but who decided to release the partygate info at that point in time? After all they must have had that information since 2020. Why did they wait?
“Politics” as we see it on the media is theatre for the masses and bears little relationship to the truth.
I agree but doesn’t politics sometimes have to react to the truth?
Which is is displayed as we speak in the canadian truckers and their media portrayal and relationship with their politicians.
It is a fantastic story and shows that people do have power. The media don’t appear to be able to beat them. They are still there! We should never believe that the enemy is invincible. They are not, even though they want you to think that. They are humans just like us.
‘The people who pull the strings’. Any clues? Any names? Is it party funders? Is it those who offer sinecures to retired political puppets? Is it those who we regularly go to war for? Who is it and what hold do they have over the worlds politicians?
The ‘Vax pass’ was always the end game. Now that the infrastructure is up and running for that, although held in abeyance for the moment, it will be easy to reintroduce this as a ‘Health Pass’ combining the already existent app to encourage healthy food choices, restrict purchases of alcohol and tobacco and ultimately be combined with digital banking to enforce that. We are in a phoney war at the moment. Don’t think for a minute that the nudge unit will give up on trying to control our lifestyles. You can add to that a green net zero app that will control our purchases of fuel and use of power. It was never about just a virus.
Collapsing the economy and creating artificially expensive fuel means that more people will become reliant on State handouts in order to survive.
Then in due course the State will demand that you must roll up your sleeve if you want the freebies.
“It was never about just a virus”. It was never about a virus – full stop.
He is bringing back movement licenses in the hope of pacifying regime hardliners and thus keeping his role of puppet-in-chief.
The End.
The problem is the definition of unvaccinated in the UK means they can BS the figures.
So, the vaccine has no significance regarding severe illness
I think you will find it does Doctor, though maybe not in the way you are expecting.
Revisiting Covid over and over again…….. Ponder this thought. If a person wanted to germinate a metaphorical seed on Earth in order to kick off another plan, where would they plant it to guarantee success? I find it hard to believe in covid. I don’t find it hard to believe that the vaccine is making some people seriously ill.
In a bizzare conversation I recently had with my barber, who had been unwell after catching covid, or another anonymous virus, he told me that he was convinced he was going to die. You guessed, he had been vaccinated, three times, thank god! (The last two words were his).
Think how much worse it could have been if he hadn’t decided to wreck his immune system?
Like the BIG comparison between Denmark & France – both have high case numbers, but Denmark has low hospitalisation & quit all restrictions; France on the other hand has ‘unacceptably high hospitalisations and enforcing the vacs pass.
The recent UnHerd interview of Denmark’s chief modeller is worth a listen.
Horrendous adverse events stats leaked from the US military. They’ve attempted to cover them up by revising past years’ hospitalisation rates massively upwards ONLY for the conditions relating to vax adverse events, putting them much higher than the rates in the general population https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/this-medical-data-from-the-us-dod/
It doesn’t necessarily follow that the vaccines don’t work at all. For example, there could be fewer unvaccinated because there are fewer of them around (the rest having died because they weren’t vaccinated).
It is quite believable that vaccines don’t work and I suspect that’s a good part of the answer. However, It may be a third factor is involved and science would suggest correlation isn’t causation. We have to keep an open mind till then to avoid falling into the trap that lovers of lockdowns and masks are prone to follow.
Shhh.. you are not supposed to ask such questions on a “sceptical” site.
The actual problem is that such questions have not been asked, and so we are left to make a call one way or the other.
It’s the reason why they are destroying trust in the entire edifice of public health.
No, they are only destroying trust in the third-rate website known as DS. It is not so difficult to find out how many people over 60 in Israel are (un)vaccinated and compare that to the “shocking” 80% statistic.
Is that double dosed or boosted to qualify here? Gotta stick a time frame on that as well right? So they need to have had the booster within the last 2 to 3 months. And that’s at the average, so you need to look at the individual cases and if they’ve only recently had their vaccine, what then? On and on it goes. You drop your little stat like it’s case closed. I can’t believe you really want to defend that position but rather just have fingers in your ears on this topic (“60%! 60%! 60%!”).
While we can argue over signs of ADE or OAS, if you still think 100% vaccination is the way out of this, you are not paying attention.
… although how vaccinated the rayc pincushion may be is a matter of complete indiffernce to everybody here.
There is no “way out of this”. I just believe that publishing articles about how many percent of severe cases are vaccinated without mentioning background vaccination rate in the population is utterly intellectually dishonest. Maybe ask your Dr. Jones about it, I think he would agree.
Why superior beings like this Death-Rayc waste times on third-rate sites like ours I cannot imagine.
Maybe he’s just sufficiently out of the covvimoron class to find their company tedious, even though he heartily endorses their vaccinal squawks. Funny little gnome, ain’t he?
I’ve already explained before, it’s for personal entertainment.
OAS meets ADE and V-AIDS.
I wondered early why and how Netanjahu could go all-in with this totally reckless bet in light of his own peoples history and that his name would be mentioned in conjunction with Herr H. and the Egyptian pharaos if it went wrong.
On the positive side, it might solve the Palestinian problem.
Remember the simple basis of hypothesis testing:
If a hypothesis is not supported within reasonable probability limits (i.e. it is reasonable to exclude chance), then it is the null hypothesis that stands.
So any debate about supposedly conflicting evidence is irrelevant to the simple statement that the hypothesis that the ‘vaccines’ are effective is scientifically unsupported . The test is not passed.
The null hypothesis is that there are very few unvaccinated elderly in Israel and yet they still make 20% of all serious cases in that hospital.
You’ve just plucked that out of the filing cabinet of your pre conceived ideas on this topic, only because it sounds like something you’d agree with.
Instead, unless you’ve seen the raw data of this hospital’s Covid patients, in which case, please share it.
see below.Those over 70 is about 95% vaccinated at least once.The unvaccinated might be over represented a bit but there are reasons.They might be too ill to receive the vaccine and would obviously be more prone to severe outcome of infection.
For reference how the same information can be portrayed by to have a different view!
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/israel-s-rise-in-covid-deaths-is-an-important-lesson-for-the-uk-on-vaccines/ar-AATvo5U?ocid=msedgntp
yes. Fascinating illustration of confirmation bias.
And how many patients in the age group susceptible to being a “serious case” are unvaccinated in Tel Aviv? As usual, Dr. Jones “forgot” to find out.
You suggesting the situation described in this hospital is to be expected? Seriously?
Listen, if these vaccines were even close to what is being claimed ing terms of benefit, this forum post would never have even happened.
If there is better, more enlightening data on the Israeli situation, share it.
No dear, if 100% of people were vaccinated, 100% of people in hospital would be vaccinated as well. And the vaccines could still be preventing 90% of severe infections. It’s a little logical exercise for you, not so difficult, I dare you to try it.
End Human Experiments Now
Letter by Senator Ron Johnson following up Renz’s testimony. https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/services/files/FB6DDD42-4755-4FDC-BEE9-50E402911E02 The Honorable Lloyd J. Austin III Secretary Department of Defense Based on data from the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database (DMED), Renz reported that these whistleblowers found a significant increase in registered diagnoses on DMED for miscarriages, cancer, and many other medical conditions in 2021 compared to a five-year average from 2016-2020. For example, at the roundtable Renz stated that registered diagnoses for neurological issues increased 10 times from a five-year average of 82,000 to 863,000 in 2021. There were also increases in registered diagnoses in 2021 for the following medical conditions: Hypertension – 2,181% increase Diseases of the nervous system – 1,048% increase Malignant neoplasms of esophagus – 894% increase Multiple sclerosis – 680% increase Malignant neoplasms of digestive organs – 624% increase Guillain-Barre syndrome – 551% increase Breast cancer – 487% increase Demyelinating – 487% increase Malignant neoplasms of thyroid and other endocrine glands – 474% increase Female infertility – 472% increase Pulmonary embolism – 468% increase Migraines – 452% increase Ovarian dysfunction – 437% increase Testicular cancer – 369% increase Tachycardia – 302%… Read more »
The DOD are rubbish at trying to hide the data.
Steve Kirsch in his newsletter today explains that they have tried to show that the 2021 figures are lower than the average for the previous 5 years by claiming the data for those earlier 5 years were underreported.
Unfortunately for them, their kackhanded effort doesn’t stack up against the larger dataset of US National medical records.
Steve Kirsch takes just one medical condition to illustrate this. Pulmonary Embolism which occurs at a rate of 60 to 70 per 100,000 in the general population so should equate to between 839 and 979 in the 1.4million military, which it did in every year before they ‘added in the unrecorded data they claimed had been missed’ bumping it up to between 2,500 and 3,000 cases in each of the 5 years prior to 2021, in order to make 2021 look nothing special.
On the bright side the Israeli/Palestine conflict may come to an abrupt and unexpected conclusion in the next year or two.
“Right now, most of our severe cases are vaccinated,” Jerris told Channel 13 News. “They had at least three injections. Between seventy and eighty percent of the serious cases are vaccinated. So, the vaccine has no significance regarding severe illness, which is why just 20% to 25% of our patients are unvaccinated.”
The devil is in the detail.
When he says 20% to 25% of our patients are unvaccinated does he mean they are double vaccinted but have not been boosted therefore are now classed as unvaccinated?
Does he mean that this 20% to 25% have never had any covid vaccines at all?
Are some or all of these 20-25% people that have had dose no.1 but have not passed the magic 14 day period so they are still counted as unvaccinated?
The definitions used are so often designed to confuse.
Completely inadequate data to form any conclusion at all.
Percentages are often used to hide real numbers – starting with one patient then going up to two is a 100% increase, but meaningless in real terms.
More importantly, the Israeli report points out that many patients are not in ICU for Covid – they are critically ill with other complaints and just happen to be Covid positive. They may well be vaccinated and asymptomatic – but if they are in ICU with cancer and test Covid positive then they count as ICU Covid cases…
There’s a warehouse full of ‘If It Saves Just One Life’ bumper stickers rotting away somewhere.
Medical clinics and hospitals in USA are denying life-saving Ivermectin medicine even with court orders. Big Pharma doing all that they can to push the vaxx and inoculate us while effective and cheap COVID cures exist. There turns out to be censorship that we have never seen before for those who are looking for these treatments. We say over and over again that indepenedent researchers found Ivermectin safe and very effective for these Flu-Corona symptoms. Getting Ivermectin is easy https://ivmpharmacy.com
So, are the “kill shots” beginning to work their evil magic? Time will tell…
This should be your lead article today. When the health minister of Israel admits to serious failure, and “ immune erosion” post four injections, this should be the headline news, around the world. We cannot live without our immune systems folks.
Antibody Dependant Enhancement – vaccinated peoples innate immunity trashed
Watch the news/excuse for this Dutch HIV-mutant strain of CV19 gain momentum
Watch how HIV flow tests suddenly come to the fore
Vaccines will not go away, they will move to Flu and other jabs
Vaccine Passports will not go away. Steady nudge and push.
Nothing is as it seems. The evil persists and endures.
More truth oozing out – the ‘Hold False Narrative’ Fact Checker frauds must be in a panic!
What a surprise!!