How did we go from clapping our carers to sacking our carers?
I’ve written a comment piece for Mail+ about Sajid Javid’s decision to insist that all care home workers get vaccinated this week and all NHS staff by April of next year. It takes the form of a response to Matt Hancock’s op ed in the Telegraph. Here is an extract:
This week, former health secretary Matt Hancock wrote a newspaper article in which he said the logic for insisting NHS staff get vaccinated or face the sack was “crystal clear”.
He added: “There is no respectable argument left to keep this tool in the locker.”
But, oddly, he didn’t even consider the arguments against this draconian measure, let alone rebut them.
For instance, he doesn’t deal with the most obvious objection, namely that people who’ve been double jabbed can still catch COVID-19 and infect others. Indeed, according to raw data published by the Health Security Agency – the successor to Public Health England – rates of infection among the vaccinated are higher than they are for the unvaccinated.
Hancock could have challenged this data, as many have, by arguing that the vaccinated are more likely to be tested than the unvaccinated, making it difficult to compare the two. Instead, his entire argument rested on the premise that doctors and nurses who’ve been vaccinated cannot infect their patients. He could have argued that having the vaccine makes it less likely an infected person will pass the virus on, for which there’s some evidence, but he didn’t.
Then there’s the fact that those NHS workers who are currently unvaccinated may have had the virus and recovered. According to the BMJ, there is mounting evidence that natural immunity provides you with at least as much protection as being double jabbed.
If your priority is to protect patients, as Hancock claims, the logic of sacking the unvaccinated who’ve recovered from Covid, but continuing to employ the vaccinated who’ve never had it, is far from “crystal clear”.
Then there’s the moral argument. Hancock was effusive in his praise of ‘our NHS’ throughout his time as health secretary, encouraging us to clap for these courageous carers at the height of the pandemic. How can it now be right to threaten these same ‘heroes’ with the sack?
Finally, there’s the staffing argument. As a former health secretary, Hancock should know the NHS is chronically understaffed and the situation is getting worse. According to data published by NHS Digital, there were 93,806 full-time equivalent vacancies across the health service in England at the end of June.
Given this, how can it possibly make sense to start sacking NHS staff who refuse to get jabbed?
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What I want to know is where are all the pan clappers? They were haling NHS staff as heroes who were risking their lives for us. Where are they now? Are NHS staff no longer heroes? Does their sacrifice no longer mean anything?
Maybe we can do the pans?
Clap for the sacked.
No wait a minute anyone who refuses to have a vaccine that doesnt stop infection or transmission even after THREE doses deserves everything they get surely ???? Im for LEMSIP myself
Ivermectin for me.
Quercetin, zinc, Vit d and c for me. Over 70, immunocompromised due to Tx for RA, don’t wear a mask, declined the koolaid. Turned off MSM all of it over one year ago. I see my friends and family daily. Hug, shake hands at the bowls club, play bridge and touch the cards everyone else touches etc etc. Get on with your lives folks. It has an expiration date💕
Nothing quite like downticking spam!
That has potential
How about a slow handclap at 8 pm every Thursday evening to protest about the sacking of unvaccinated care home workers and NHS workers? How can we promote this?
You cannot promote it. People didn’t bag their pans cause someone decided to do it and told their friends. No, someone in charge of manipulating the public opinion came up with it and instructed the media to run a false story that everyone is doing it, and so people started doing it. “In the thick of it” was a documentary, not a sitcom.
Laura Dodsworth explores the role of government in creating the ‘clap for carers’ guff in her book ‘A State of fear’.
Thick it certainly was.
I believe clapping for health workers started in Italy. They too are sacking(have sacked) health workers who do not get vaccinated.
The pan thing is a recuperation of what happened in Argentina more than 20 years ago when it had real force. The authorities are trying to cut people off from a similar expression of mass discontent here, not “political” in any party or representative sense, but basically wiping the damned rulers’ faces in the mess that THEY have so profitably (for themselves) created and saying we won’t stand for it any more.
As well as a slow hand clap, other ideas might include turning lights out at a prearranged time, or lots of us withdrawing money from banks. It wouldn’t have to be much. If 100000 people all withdrew £100 one morning, it wouldn’t surprise me if the banking system couldn’t cope.
Good idea. That would nicely increase my overdraft!
How about a slow slow handclap for this government untill they fuck off
You will be there a long time, unfortunately. Nothing ain’t going to move the large lump of a PM. Not even corruption.
And even if it did, what filth would slop into its place?
And then another evil government will replace it!
No.
“Does their sacrifice no longer mean anything?”
You mean all those endless hours making Tik Tok movies.🤨😂
The pan clappers are the ones who have sold us out for being taken in by this fraud and not doing any due dligence. Equally they have done no due dilgence over this injection and think that everyone should take a dangerous experimental gene therapy shot, still in trial that doesn’t in reality protect them let alone anyone else. These NHS staff need to come out and speak the truth now and they should have done it 19mths ago.
Why clap for American corporations and sub-contractors to which NHS work has been ‘outsourced’? That’s what the NHS is now – all sold down the drain.
Maybe if the very well qualified clinicians didn’t panic at the hysterical over-reaction by government and pointed out the fallacies in the consequent ‘sky’s falling’ strategy a lot of this mess could have been avoided?
To me, heroes are those who stand up for their principles, not those rush off to dress up in hazmat suits more suited to Ebola than yet another flu like virus with a very, very limited death profile.
They are all double and triple jabbed awaiting their boosters and snarling at the dirty murderous ‘Anti-vaxxers’ in the NHS and care homes. They’ll be virtue signalling and pressing for more, much more than just summary sackings. Possibly even howling for the return of capital punishment for filthy evil ‘anti vaxxers’.
May I reintroduce Bob, lest he is forgotten…
This article from FakeNews CNN doesn’t even try.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/09/politics/gavin-newsom-public-absence-kids-intervention/index.html
This excuse is so paper thin only CNN would report it with a straight face oh and mislead on the suggested reason he’s been out of public eye for no reason for two weeks!
Journalism is truly DEAD.
Pretty solid case. “If ‘my body, my choice’ means anything at all, it means the right to refuse an injection without losing your livelihood.” The response is usually that we require other injections of medical staff (eg hepatitis,) so why not these? The answers to that can be the following: i The fact we might have made errors in the past doesn’t mean we should do so again (but politically this is quite weak, because people tend to think that if they are familiar with something then it’s ok). ii This is not a familiar and safe vaccine, but rather an experimental novel therapy that acts in some ways like a vaccine, for which we do not have long term safety data. So precedents with other kinds of treatments don’t apply. Again, this is politically weak because you are going against lots of propaganda pretending the “vaccines” are vaccines like the ones we are used to, that they are safe etc. iii It’s one thing requiring a treatment for new people coming into the job, who can choose whether or not to take it as part of the conditions. It’s quite another to impose it on people already in the… Read more »
When I last applied for a front line clinical role, they asked me about measles (which I’d had as a child), checked my TB status (scar on injection site) and checked my Hep B status through blood test and I needed a booster. TB is no longer vaccinated against unless high risk, and working in Leicester would put me at risk. Hepatitis B is to protect me and so makes sense, I’d had my first Hep B vaccination before I became a nurse but was in St John Ambulance and a first aider at work. The flu vaccination is not compulsory and flu is potentially more devastating than SARS-CoV-2.
Who carers?
As an anti-socialist, I can’t say I care. But illiberal hypocrisy noted! For the record, I was never a fan of elderly (No one) “care“(s) (enough, not their) “homes”!
What’s the life expectancy of a “care home” occupant?
What happened to family?
Care homes really are just further down the rabbit hole of dependence on the corporate state i.e. fascism!
When you experience having to care for someone with dementia, you will understand what care homes are for.
Yep, caring for someone with dementia is very tough. But you haven’t rebutted his point.
Care homes are for when you’re done with your relative (or there are no relatives left).
Well, he asked “what happened to family”. The answer is the mentally ill person drove their family crazy enough to deposit them in a care home, possibly after months or years of mental torture, so as to regain their own freedom, which our Anti_socialist seems to be so concerned about.
Behind every question lies another one. Why do we have such a high incidence of dementia in the first place?
Because people are living for a long time largely through drugs that prolong their suffering. The human body was not designed to last forever, although many think that we are immortal
Anyone over the age of 50 is living on borrowed time. Fact.
Maybe instead of banging on about vaccines and climate change people should be encouraged to think about where they’ll be spending eternity.
So…for whatever reason they are done and off load the relative at a nursing home.
It’s a modern, perhaps more humane version of leaving a member of the tribe out in the woods to die.
You’re into calling a spade a spade, aren’t you?
I honestly with all sincerity think that’s kinder than a care home.
Two things.
That’s the cut off point ! When ownership of your own arsely functions ceases its time for a weekend break in Switzerland ! 😬
I wouldn’t want to live if I couldn’t look after myself, so I would like a trip to Dignitas as an option.
A very good question.
Although, generally, I don’t think the answers provide conclusions that you might want them to.
Apart from some changes brought on by the industrial revolution, there has not been a great British tradition of an extended family all living together under one roof with the older generations being cared for by their children.
The many family histories that I have researched, clearly shows that, among the working poor at least, one parent usually returned to their children’s households after the death of their spouse. From there, with an extra mouth to feed and failing health, the next stop, if you were lucky, was the workhouse.
As for the gradual erosion of the traditional family structure, the main cause of course is the relaxation of divorce laws, working mothers, adultery & the erosion of shame across the culture …
I’ve been researching my family history for over 16 years which was mainly focussed in the East End of London and workhouses featured quite a lot. Silkweavers had a tough time of it due to cheaper imports and for many the workhouses were lifesavers, The surviving parent usually moved in with one of the children until they died.
Well, industrial history has generated geographical divisions in families, which is a contributor to the absence of extended ones. People move to where the work is, without bringing the others with them.
I totally agree. So many diseases today are the result of medication, vaccination and utter reliability on the state. Anyone who reads the history of modern medicine knows that disease and deterioration has increased since pharmaceuticals have been pushing drugs. Dr Atkins book in 1958 on his findings as a heart surgeon were so explosive that he lost his licence to practice and we lost a wonderful holistic doctor.
So many ailments and diseases can be avoided by diet, close loving families and curiosity in life. All these have been broken down by Government policies and bureaucratic control. We have lived in an age of fear and suppression whilst being told we have freedom of choice. We haven’t had that for nearly 150 years. Since the growth of vaccines and modern science that synthetically manufactures drugs.
Hancock could have challenged this data, as many have, by arguing that the vaccinated are more likely to be tested than the unvaccinated, making it difficult to compare the two
I’m being a bit thick – can someone explain why this argument may have legs when the data relates to per 100k vaxxed against per 100k un-vaxxed?
I could be wrong, but my assumption was that the unvaccinated would mostly only get tested if they actually had symptoms, whereas the bedwetters (who will virtually all be spiked) will often get tested for no particular reason – which would thereby skew the numbers.
Surely that would skew the numbers in the opposite direction. Jabbed would have lots of negative results because they test whenever the day has a ‘y’ in its name, while the unjabbed are less likely to dilute the positive results with a bunch of negatives.
I guess what they mean is the jabbed are testing themselves more so that will inevitably throw up more positives than us normal people who don’t do any tests. To my mind that still can’t explain why the positive rate amongst the jabbed is DOUBLE the unjabbed.
This puzzles me too. Is the suggestion that the unjabbed are reporting their negative results, but not their positive ones? That seems unlikely.
https://youtu.be/gSKfanmsUWY
I don’t think it does much. It may sway it slightly, a higher pos rate from the serial testers every time they’re ill. But the rate itself shouldn’t change that much.
You are absolutely right, and the exact reverse is true anyway.
Nurses, firefighters, and even police rallied against the vax mandates in Perth today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wSMBBzrzU
Those foolish and impressionable enough to clang pans at nothing because the telly told them to, are people easily programmed to see the issue of vaccination as straightforward and binary:
Thats what we’re dealing with.
Yes, pretty much so, except there is no DVT in my leg.
You must have a better class of idiots than we have here in Hull. Ours believe in 80% reduction in both catching and transmitting, anything less in anti-vaxxer propaganda gleaned from Facebook, but the real clincher for them is the ‘less poorly than would have been otherwise’.
Which is so hard to understand… Do you also find yourself explaining to people ad nauseum that you can’t give a disease to someone who has not had the injections and see how they react, and then inject them and give them the disease again and compare results. Besides which, I know of someone who had the third injection, caught covid and died in four days. That was a very successful reduction of symptoms, nicht wahr? 🤪
It’s impossible to get anything through to these people at all, they just repeat the mantras they have memorised or put their fingers in their ears and sing lah lah lah or say that’s anti-vaxxer conspiracy from off Facebook or other non MSM online sites that they assume exist to feed false information to anti-social degenerates. It’s a waste of time.
A few days ago, I was telling my double jabbed sister that, according to UKHSA data, the double jabbed over 40s are twice as likely to test positive for covid than the unjabbed. She replied :
“I don’t want to hear this”
I qualified the statement saying that it was not conspiracy theory but UK Gov data, but she just repeated :
“I don’t want to hear this”
She did not listen at the start and she’s still not listening, such is the power of the media …
If anyone has a cheat sheet of responses to the typical nauseating arguments made by the majority of the public today around these issues I would appreciate it. I used to be able to articulate myself about this stuff, but now it’s difficult to maintain eye contact with these people so I just remain silent.
Given this, how can it possibly make sense to start sacking NHS staff who refuse to get jabbed? Throughout this pre-planned political upheaval and economic transition, maximising profit opportunities for chums (ie Big Pharma or track and trace or PPE) and the re-establishing elite wealth & power (95% of all financial stimulus packages & QE supposedly designed to aid the plebs is gobbled up by the wealthiest 7%) have been key elements SARS-CoV-2, remember, is simply the pathetic sniffly excuse. Following on from the core national utilities being sold off cheap in the 80s to multinational investors, the lack of staff within the health and care sectors will lead inevitably to long waiting lists, instability and co-ordinated calls for a better NHS – which of course will mean either ever more bloated management structure or privatisation. Don’t look for logic in this government’s ’emergency’ decrees beyond the usual Tory pro-corporate agenda to place everything back in the hands of its main supporters, while maximising taxpayer subsidy in the process. Without this massive state funding or profit guarantees (such as nuclear power), most of the large private enterprises running key sectors would collapse – it’s money for jam (or rather their… Read more »
I refuse to believe that Toby Young is this naive.
I’d like to know how he would qualify this among his myriad, cockups rather than planned conspiracy.
Toby : It makes sense if your objective is to manage the decline of the NHS. Geddit now?
My family and I closed the curtains and hid on Thursdays when the morons in the street came out to clap. 🦭
I walked the dog and laughed at them.
There was never even the tiniest sound of clapping in the town where I live until the final date – not sure if the applause then was for the end of the silliness or not
@Toby – Good article, but you don’t answer the question posed in the title. What actually are the authorities aiming at by threatening to sack tens of thousands of NHS staff for being unspiked?
People should ask themselves how an “overwhelm of the NHS” – currently a heavily promoted meme – would manifest. It would literally mean people being given fatal injections to “alleviate their suffering” – either in vehicles parked outside hospitals, or elsewhere – who would otherwise be given intensive care.
And who would be blamed? The disobedient and sceptical, that’s who. People who think and remember and exercise their brain cells, and who tend to distrust the uniform-wearers and office-holders who lie to them all the time, rather than reflexively jumping when they’re told to jump.
A friend’s father in law sits on a heathcare trust in Scotland. In the first wave of the pandemic, their plan in the advent of being overwhelmed was to deny medical treatment to anyone aged over FIFTY!!!!
That’d be me next year. Never mind I am at my career (and therefore tax paying) peak and have 2 children to support. And elderly parents & in laws to support. Apparently I’m expendable.
I guess that’s triage.
Tax paying status perhaps should be a consideration. A bit creepy for me, but it’s not easy having to decide, which is why perhaps they were so desperate to avoid being in that position.
In any case, if it makes you feel any better, we are all expendable.
🤔 who would I expend?
matt Hancock would be near the top of the list, gormless chimp that he is
I’d include every MP and all those in the HoL. They are all surplus to requirements as the Civil Service run the country and none of them are elected.
>anyone aged over FIFTY
EXCEPT State Mafia (key workers is the MSM spinword).
Sheep Farm did a good piece on Matt Hancock. The sheeple pan clapping will go down for me just how powerful these satanists can control people with words (spells).
Did you see it in Scotland, @rtaylor? The local sh*tclowns there organised a clapfest (and I’m not talking about Edinburgh sex clubs) for Nicola Sturgeon’s 50th birthday.
Yet they banned firework displays while continuing to allow people to buy their own to use in whichever chaotic way suits them.
Wtaf?! Is Scotland North Korea now?
That’s an insult to North Korea.
And Lockdown 3.0 ended on 19 July 2021, Wee Twanky’s 51 st birthday …
Toby Young isn’t giving Matt Hancock his due credit.
Matt Hancock wants to get rid of the unjabbed right away which is consistent with believing they are a threat to others. At least he’s logically consistent.
Javid wants to wait until the spring when they won’t be needed any more before giving them the figurative bullet in the head. Like a good Nazi who put the Jews to work in the concentration camps, Javid would like to get some labour out of his victims before he disposes of them.
That means Javid either, doesn’t give a toss if NHS patients are infected and killed by the unjabbed so long as the NHS isn’t “overwhelmed” or doesn’t really think the unjabbed are going to actually hurt anyone by being unjabbed.
Either way Javid is a psychopath. Hancock is merely a fanatic.
“Overwhelm” is the plan.
The crackdown on disobedient NHS staff who don’t act as if they believe whatever rubbish they’re told plays to the idea of the “enemy within”.
This is also why numerous media articles are informing readers that there is more spike awareness (“vaccine hesitancy” as they call it) among non-whites than among whites, including among non-white NHS staff.
Former banking guy Sajid Javid talks as though he doesn’t believe a word he says, and as if he doesn’t even think about the garbage that he spews out. He’s more “obvious” in that respect even than Tony Blair.
Forgotten Heroes
Two years on,
The clapping paused,
Those doorstep heroes,
Now ignored,
Cast aside,
No longer needed,
Unless the mandate,
They have heeded.
Two years of work,
Among the sick,
No longer heroes,
Without the prick.
The “but you clapped for us” argument is easy to dismiss. “We” of course clapped only for those selfless heroes who want to get vaccinated, and the minority who gets sacked is bad apples and was not clapped for. There, I solved the moral dilemma for you.
‘We’ clapped because we saw the other chimpanzees clapping.
When you say we, you can count me out.
We know that one already: Whenever wokery collides with the real world, the solution is to fix history to prove that we were always at war with Eurasia.
Random conspiracy theory: Assuming the Chinese state propaganda is behind this hoped for suicide of its European betters, are they perhaps stupid enough to believe that 1984 is an instruction manual? Judging from past experiences with these guys, that wouldn’t surprise me.
Are we stupid enough to think that it was not ?
The government wants to collapse the NHS and other institutions so it’s hardly surprising. They despise the people and simply want our money and to impose the new world order. They don’t give a damn if people die or suffer.
‘How did we go from clapping our carers to sacking our carers?’
That’s easy to explain. The clapping part was important propaganda, it helped convince the plebs that there really was a crisis and that the NHS was on the edge when in reality the hospitals were very quiet.
Once that had served its purpose it was time to move on with forcing the vaccines on people with a view to imposing the vaccine passports as the long term means of control.
My view is that the care homes are being intentionally stripped of unvaccinaed staff so as to cause a knock on crisis in the hospitals, fat b@astard Boris will claim this crisis is due to covid and impose the vax passports with that as his excuse.
In a nutshell.
‘Sense’ and ‘Wankok’ don’t belong in the same universe.
The sheep clapped their pans because other sheep were clapping their pans, there was no free will involved.
“How did we go from clapping our carers to sacking our carers?”
Because not many people, least of all the evil liars in charge, ever cared about the carers. They were always just another pawn in the game.
Their lies are catching up with them
When the churches were shut and our nation started worshipping the NHS a darkness descended over our land and a new world order was ushered in.
I’m not so sure that the nation does worship the NHS.
“Then there’s the moral argument”
The ethical argument is not an afterthought – it’s a primary issue for anyone who opposes fascism and doesn’t line up with Mengele et al.
Anyone wearing a poppy and, at the same time, supporting snake-oil coercion is a fraudulent disgrace. That poppy stands for, amongst other things, the moral principles established to say ‘Never Again’.
Only scum like the Mekon – self-seeking moral empty vessels – would deny that fact.
The poppy also stands for my right to say you ought to read up on Mengele before throwing around just silly tropes in your weaponised language.
Here’s your free starter course :
https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=37
Discrimination in our history?
We know the outcome, it’s no mystery.
Divide society in parts,
That’s the way it always starts,
Just say that one side is unclean,
That has been the common theme,
From here the evil doesn’t halt,
They’ll say the deaths are all their fault,
Blame it on the other side,
That’s the way they will divide.
If we don’t speak for them today,
Soon these measures will come our way.
They were not heroes to start with that was a myth .They were women and blokes turning up for work often finding there was not much to do because the NHS had imploded due to its own paranoid hysteria I know …..i was one of the “bored” .As an excercise this was probably the most crass example of the nodding dog mentality of many citizens simply coipying someone else until it becomes a thing and here we are The NHS saved itself by doing bugger all for 6 months Just how many people do you think were in hospital with Covid just have a think a minute did you know anyone who wasnt 104
Go on then sack them all in the middle of a recruitment crisis I fucking dare you !!!
One good lawyer ,one solid test case and its after dinner speaking for Johnson .Even the dumbest of British people do not like to see people kicked when they are down .You cant turn heroes into villains just because you want to
I was lead to believe that all the elderly, especially boarding in care homes, had been fully vaccinated.
Yet now they want the staff to also be vaccinated to protect* the same boarders that have already been “protected“*. Those boarders will soon receive a booster too.
Make sense? None of this has ever made any sense if public health was the concern of the government. It isn’t, and these events only make sense when the destination is a very different one. Every single policy has inflicted overall harm on society deleterious to public health. Every one is another cull; death by a thousand cuts.
Of course, Johnson never had any qualms being treated by 100% unvaccinated staff when he was in hospital with the Covid.
But now the very same people who saved him can be ignominiously tossed onto the scrap heap because they won’t be cowed by the HM drug pushers and take an experimental drug that is not fit for purpose, causes definite mortal harm in some, and likely general harm in the long term.
Some thanks that is.
Unprincipled, two-faced wretches of leaders we have.
Make sense? Of course it does, if the plan is to cull us.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZZRCzK6BfaVW/
COVID JABS ARE PREMEDITATED FIRST DEGREE MURDER, SAYS DR. ZELENKO
Everything makes sense, once you understand that the real main goal is to reduce the average life expectancy of us plebs to around the age of 65, and turn us into productive but sick and very profitable junkies from the cradle to that age.