Legal Rules Could Soon be Downgraded to Advice in Wales, but More Clarity is Needed

A Welsh minister has suggested that Covid rules could be downgraded to “advice” in the coming weeks, just as is expected to happen in England on July 19th. But the Welsh Conservative opposition says that more clarity is needed on the timeline of unlocking. BBC News has the story.

[Welsh minister] Mick Antoniw said Wales was “moving to a stage where we are having increasing normality” but that ministers and officials would evaluate data ahead of the next review on July 15th. …

With no date set in Wales, the Conservatives have accused the Welsh Government of being “stuck in lockdown mode”.

Responding to reports on Sunday that England will move into a period without legal restrictions, where the public will have to exercise “personal responsibility”, Andrew RT Davies MS, the leader of the Conservatives in the Senedd, tweeted: “It’s time for Welsh Government to provide clarity on Wales’s route to normality.”

Counsel General Mr Antoniw told the BBC’s Politics Wales programme the Welsh Government’s “current thinking is that we have obviously an increase in the level of infections, but we have less hospitalisation out of that”. 

“We want to maximise the vaccination rates still further, and then around the 15th or 16th of July, we’ll have a review, and we’ll consider what further easings can be taken within the data that we actually have,” he said.

“Setting a date has its own problems because, if you’re saying you want to achieve these certain things on this particular date… it is still always dependent on what the latest information is in respect of the infection rates.

“We are certainly moving in the direction of a much greater normality.

“But the pandemic is going to be with us for some time,” he added.

There have only been minor changes to the rules in Wales since June 7th after the first minister announced a pause in a bid to reduce daily hospital admissions and allow time to vaccinate more people.

Ministers had considered permitting more indoor mixing, allowing more people to attend indoor events and reopening ice skating rinks, before deciding to hold off.

In Wales, people are currently able to meet in private homes if they are in an extended household with a fixed set of other homes, unlike in England where six people from any household can meet.

Nightclubs remain closed, as they do across the U.K., while limits on social distancing and how many people can meet outside remain.

The restrictions will be reviewed the week starting July 12th, with any further lifting due to be announced by the first minister towards the end of the week.

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1984imminent
4 years ago

Enter “a period” without legal restrictions. “A period”. Not “restrictions will end, and the Coronavirus Act will be ripped up, never to return”. Says it all, doesn’t it?

steve_w
4 years ago

I see Tim Spector is calling for a program of child sacrifice

https://twitter.com/timspector/status/1410980512068509699

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

I wonder if he was related to Phil Spector?

leicestersq
leicestersq
4 years ago

I see that the worldometer is showing an increase in UK cases. – United Kingdom COVID: 4,879,616 Cases and 128,207 Deaths – Worldometer (worldometers.info)

Not the case in Neanderthal Texas.

This rise in cases seems to me to put paid to the theory that the fall in cases last summer was due to the summer. So what on earth is going on?

The other thing that is evident from the figures is that the vaccines do not work. It isnt possible to have an sustained rise in cases if the vaccine works because the virus cannot jump from person to person as most will be immune. Well they would be immune if the vaccine worked but clearly they do not.

Seems to me that we should always have gone with the Texas approach.

steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  leicestersq

its just a rise in cases of the harmless delta variant.

helenf
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

It’s a meaningless casedemic. I wonder how many pcr cycles they’re using at the moment to drive the idea that we’re entering the third wave, and oh my god we should be quaking in our boots? It’s plainly pathetic. And no, it’s not down to the amazing effectiveness of the “vaccines” because we’d have loads of unvaccinated people in ITU or dropping dead if that was the case. But we don’t.

mwhite
4 years ago
Reply to  leicestersq

England seems to have run out of the vulnerable

Graphs and maps — EUROMOMO

Perhaps the Welsh should check out their excess deaths, same NI, and Scotland this summer.

iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  leicestersq

To interpret such things one needs to know how many tests are being done, what sort of tests and, if relevant, number of cycles used.

Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  leicestersq

I have just heard that two friends are seriously ill with Sarscov2, one hospitalised yesterday the other one likely to be, both double jabbed.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Getting jabbed seems to ruin the jabbee’s immune ability.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

How old are they? What’s their general state of health?

Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

In their late sixties, he has some joint issues and is very overweight she is in pretty good health normally.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Do you know how soon after the last vaccine they fell ill?

ellie-em
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

The fact both have been doubly injected will, of course, be a coincidence.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Sorry to hear it, rough ages? Underlying conditions? Which “vaccines”?

Woden
Woden
4 years ago
Reply to  leicestersq

Hmm, surely not the false positives from the useless PCR ‘tests’

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  leicestersq

Asymptomatic positive tests, and some with very mild symptoms, quite a few amongst children in London anyway, Great news, spreading the best kind of immunity. Not leading to hospitalised cases cos it’s summer, and cos we have massive herd immunity.
The experimental vaccines don’t prevent infection, that is not a claim.

steve_w
4 years ago

interesting development

leading JCVI member Professor Adam Finn comes out firmly against track, trace and isolate policy. reckons just wear a mask if you’ve got symptoms (that’s what he’ll be doing)

https://order-order.com/2021/07/04/jcvi-member-will-continue-wearing-face-masks-indefinitely/

iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Yes, but shouldn’t he be self-isolating (you know, taking to bed for a day or two – as we used to do!) if he has symptoms? Why would he then wear a mask?

leicestersq
leicestersq
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Wear a mask and restrict your breathing if you have symptoms of a respiratory illness?

Hmm, what is he a professor of?

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  leicestersq

Professor of Bullshit

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

PHD AND A MASTERS.

wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

How will he cough, sneeze, blow his nose in a mask!!! Ugh. He should stay home if he has symptoms for a few days just as we used to do

steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

maybe he means he will stay at home and wear a mask. maybe in bed

god knows. I think he may be retarded

Catee
4 years ago

Reform UK are currently running a survey regarding covid restrictions, a good opportunity to let your views be counted.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-self-amplifying-rna-covid-vaccine-technology.html

Self-amplifying RNA COVID-19 vaccine technology safe in humans, suggests (very short term) study
My own opinion, what could possibly go right…

Annie
4 years ago

Funny old Covviworld.
Last summer, muzzled Saxon holidaymakers arrived to find the Welsh happily un-muzzled.
This year, it seems that English people with faces will arrive to find the Welsheeples bleating from behind their muzzles.
God help you if you follow the Welsh science.

Squire Western
Squire Western
4 years ago

In Wales, people are currently able to meet in private homes if they are in an extended household with a fixed set of other homes, unlike in England where six people from any household can meet.’

I’m not sure what this even means, despite living in Wales, and I wouldn’t take any notice if I did. No one tells me who I can and cannot invite into my homes.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Squire Western

I doubt if anybody in Wales understands this rule, or cares if they do.
The Welsheeples only understand one thing: ‘be very very afraid, baaaaaaa’. No further rules are needed.

Simon
Simon
4 years ago

I don’t know if I’m missing something but Wales does not have a separate jurisdiction unlike Scotland. Wales shares its legal system with England.
Wales, and Scotland, do not have internationally recognised borders and are not “states”.
How is it then that the Welsh “government” then can decree its own laws? I know that councils can set by-laws, but Wales not a Council.