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transmissionofflame
8 days ago

Writing for the Academy of Ideas, Claire Fox looks at a new proposal for a UK free speech law from the Adam Smith Institute.”

I intended to try and read this but gave up when I saw it that the proposed law runs to 30 pages. What’s wrong with “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”?

pjar
8 days ago

There’s more leeway in 30 pages to allow lawyers to continue to trouser wads of cash through endless nitpicking ‘interpretation’ of what it means…

I genuinely believe that our legislation is written by lawyers with an eye on how much they might be able to make from it in the future.

transmissionofflame
7 days ago
Reply to  pjar

Yes in general, though in this case I think it’s an attempt to reassure those who worry that a very broad law like the USA has would allow speech they find beyond the pale.

st27
st27
7 days ago
Reply to  pjar

The amount of bad law in the UK is astounding. Speaking as a veteran of IR35… there was absolutely no way, under that law, to operate within the law and know that you were operating within the law. So, rather than paying more tax than you previously did (which was the stated intention of the law), going “oh well, that’s the law” and getting on with your life, you couldn’t have any idea of whether you were complying or not. That, perhaps was the intention.

More recent legislation favours brevity and undefined terms. Let’s do a blanket ban on $POORLYDEFINED. Don’t worry about what $POORLYDEFINED covers or doesn’t cover: clause 3(a) gives the Secretary of State the power to define it as he or she likes, by Statutory Instrument.

Heretic
Heretic
7 days ago
Reply to  st27

I think there is still a local medieval law in Cheshire stating that any Welshman found within the city walls of Chester after dark would be hanged the next morning !!!

Jack the dog
Jack the dog
7 days ago

I think the problem is the napoleon’s concept that the law as written must cover everything with no room for interpretation as opposed to the common law approach of setting the direction and then letting case law build up.

I am not a lawyer so I stand to be corrected.

NeilParkin
7 days ago
Reply to  Jack the dog

You can see the effect of Napoleonic law making in everything we do. What was it.? 57,000 new laws since 1997.? It has made us small minded and nit-picking.

Jack the dog
Jack the dog
7 days ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Yes exactly plus it provides employment prospects for otherwise unemployable humanities graduates from their 5th rate universities.

And more guaranteed votes.

Happy Easter to all.

st27
st27
7 days ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Look on the bright side, though. Massive growth in Compliance Departments – for the BigCorps who can afford them. If you’re a small business (or are thinking of starting one) which can’t, well… tough.

It’s the tension between people who want to Do Stuff and the people whose raison d’etre is to Stop People Doing Stuff. It’s quite clear which group is winning in the UK.

transmissionofflame
7 days ago
Reply to  Jack the dog

I am not a lawyer either but yes I agree – see my comment above/

Jack the dog
Jack the dog
7 days ago

The nub of the question is they have to to ensure their client class of noisy uppity Muslims are reassured that nobody can hurt their feelings or insult their paedo prophet.

stewart
7 days ago
Reply to  Jack the dog

In the case of the US First Ammendment, it is crystal clear and unambiguous.

I’m pretty sure the problem people have with it isn’t its lack of clarity but rather that they just don’t agree with it.

JXB
JXB
7 days ago
Reply to  Jack the dog

The Common Law (discovered Law): everything is legal unless the Law says it isn’t. Passive Rights.

Code Law (invented Law): nothing is legal unless the Law says it is. Active Rights.

The difference? Under Common Law, an activity not expressly illegal, cannot be arbitrarily decided to be illegal. Under Code Law, if it is not defined in the code an action could be determined to be illegal.

Common Law – Rights of one individual do not take precedence over another’s – A’s Right to swing his fist stops where B’s nose starts.

Code Law – the Rights of an individual take precedence over others. Hence recently the Rights of “asylum seekers” take precedence in International (code) “Law” over the Common Law Rights of British citizens.

How we got to this stage – thanks to that evil creature and constitutional vandal Tony Blair.

Heretic
Heretic
7 days ago
Reply to  Jack the dog

Very interesting information— I’d never heard that.

spud
spud
7 days ago

Precisely: says what it means.

Dinger64
7 days ago

30 pages = more wiggle room!

Heretic
Heretic
7 days ago

Exactly. There is no reason for any “law” to take up more than one side of A4, and English historian David Starkey and MP Rupert Lowe are right to call for “The Great Repeal Act”, wiping the slate clean of any “laws” enacted after WW1, at the very least.

Clean Slate and Start Again.
Keep only the 1215 Magna Carta and the 1689 English Bill of Rights.

transmissionofflame
7 days ago
Reply to  Heretic

Yes, I am sure most laws are not needed. Any that are essential can be quickly brought back, keep them simple.

Don’t steal, assault, murder or rape. Doesn’t that cover most of it? Are not all crimes that are actually crimes some variety of these?

Heretic
Heretic
7 days ago

Yes, the Ten Commandments, the laws of King Alfred the Great, the Magna Carta and 1689 English Bill of Rights would cover everything except traffic violations… 🙂

transmissionofflame
7 days ago
Reply to  Heretic

And there are for too many bloody “traffic violations” IMO.

Purpleone
7 days ago
Reply to  Heretic

We should make it law they aren’t more than 1 page… but that’ll need a new law 😉

Heretic
Heretic
7 days ago
Reply to  Purpleone

Excellent idea! It will put millions of lawyers out of business if anyone can read and understand every law themselves.

That’s the reason the Catholics kept burning Protestants alive at the stake, for translating the Bible into languages that ordinary people could understand, and thereby threatening the dominance of the priests, who needed to “explain” the meanings to the congregation. It was the devout Christian scholar William Tyndale who said he wanted to translate it so that even a ploughboy could understand. He was burnt alive at the stake.

NeilParkin
7 days ago

Kemi Badenoch: Britain is not broken – stop the negativity

I’m all for a bit of positive thinking, but you really have to be honest about where we are Kemi.

I thought of 21 topics that go to make up our nation. I got 15 of them as broken, or not fit for purpose, and that’s with a positive view. How about you.?

Borders, Military, Police, Judiciary, Prisons, Education, Health, Food, Energy, Housing, Social Care, Transport, Infrastructure, Civil Service, Treasury, Banking, Investment, Pensions, Manufacturing and Wealth creation, Media.

I could easily add Central and Local government, but that’s a given.

Dinger64
7 days ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

And this statement comes from a Nigerian anchor baby who spent more of her life in the US and wasn’t even born at a time when she would have experienced a Britain to compare it to, even with its problems, Britain was a far better place when it was BRITISH!

JXB
JXB
7 days ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Kemi is in a bind. If she admits Britain is broken she will have to admit she and her ghastly Party broke it.

Purpleone
7 days ago
Reply to  JXB

I’d respect her and them a little more if they did take that approach…

Mogwai
7 days ago

A follow-up from Pete North after he posted his article the other day about how Britain allegedly has a ‘black problem’, because it’s this demographic which disproportionately commits more crime and demonstrates more antisocial behaviour. Do you agree? Shops in the UK now have everyday items such as cheese and coffee individually alarmed. Like that’s going to put thieves off when the security guards do nothing but watch and the police never respond; ”The other day I wrote an intentionally controversial article. There is a place for robust polemics now and then – and the problem of feral blacks rampaging through our cities is something that needs to be addressed in uncompromising terms. Let’s cut to the chase here. Race is an issue here. What we’re seeing is something that happens on a regular basis, and the common factor in all the instances I’ve seen is that the perpetrators are black. This is the reason why spirits in the local Co-op are under lock and key when they didn’t used to be. We used to have a high trust society where the small businesses didn’t need full time security guards and it didn’t require extra policing. What happened, though, is… Read more »

NeilParkin
7 days ago

Self-service benefits plan will lead to sharp rise in claims, Government admits

Of course it will. The bigger the government the more corruption there is. Now the welfare bill has surpassed the haul from Income Tax, a sharp rise in claims sound just dandy.

NeilParkin
7 days ago

Sacked Pride in London boss claims he was ousted by ‘white directors’

I wonder if the gentleman’s skin colour played any part in him getting the job in the first place?

soundofreason
soundofreason
7 days ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Gentleman? How can you tell? Are you allowed to assume? – I’m not asking about the ‘gentle’ bit.

Mogwai
7 days ago

Confirmation from this brave survivor of the rape gangs in this 1min clip that this is a cultural issue and that the entire Muslim community knew and condoned what family members were doing to these girls;

“My mum reported me missing. The call operator said she wasn’t allowed to describe them as Asian males – and that she should be glad I was learning a different culture.” Fiona Goddard was abused for five years while the police watched.

https://x.com/AndrewGold_ok/status/2039738795659059230

You can see the full interview with Andrew Gold here ( 1hr );

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yOOm6dD5Ps

Mogwai
7 days ago
Reply to  Mogwai

How are illegal care homes even able to exist, especially on such a large scale? A short documentary reveals the extent of the problem in the UK;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9RpSf6A8zc

stewart
7 days ago

Iran’s posturing and threats of unleashing all hell remind me of Sadam Hussein’s mother of all wars just ahead of the first gulf war.

soundofreason
soundofreason
7 days ago
Reply to  stewart

I have a Baghdad Coalition Provisional Authority stamp in an old passport. It was not a happy place to spend a birthday.

Dinger64
7 days ago
Reply to  soundofreason

Couldn’t you have gone to Blackpool instead? 🫢

Tonka Rigger
7 days ago
Reply to  Dinger64

He’s not that much of a glutton for punishment!

Heretic
Heretic
7 days ago

Generals criticise ‘spineless’ Labour over veterans ‘witch hunt’” – Retired generals have warned that Labour’s policies risk renewed legal action against Northern Ireland veterans”

Well done to those generals for speaking out against this BLATANT TREASON against our own Warriors on behalf of a HOSTILE FOREIGN NATION who engaged in open warfare against the UK, murdering British Citizens, Elected Members of the British Parliament (Airey Neave), Members of the Royal Family (Mountbatten), and attempting to assassinate the democratically elected British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and Elected Members of her Cabinet.

Not one Irish citizen or Dual-National should be allowed to settle in Britain or vote in British elections, until Ireland stops its “War Against Britain”, formally recognizes Northern Ireland as an INDEPENDENT PROTESTANT NATION with INTERNATIONAL BORDERS, and welcomes all Northern Irish Catholics back to live in Catholic Southern Ireland, in peace and harmony thereafter. And tell the Vatican Jesuits to keep their big noses out of it.