Badenoch Considers Burka Ban
Kemi Badenoch is considering a ban on burkas in an attempt to tackle Islamist extremism, with Chris Philp, the Shadow Home Secretary, and Nick Timothy, the Shadow Justice Secretary, understood to be “looking closely” at the issue. The Telegraph has the story.
The Telegraph understands Chris Philp is concerned that the full-body garment – which is worn by some Muslim women and leaves only the eyes visible through a mesh – can be divisive, work against integration and foster extremism.
The move creates a dividing line with Sir Keir Starmer, who is fighting to win back Muslim voters before the May local elections after they deserted Labour for the Green Party in last month’s Gorton and Denton by-election.
Sources have said that Shabana Mahmood, the Home Secretary and the first Muslim woman to hold the post, personally believes that the Government has no role in telling people what they can or cannot wear, whether that is miniskirts or face veils.
Any potential ban would align the Tories with Reform UK, the party’s biggest electoral threat on the Right.
Speaking to The Daily T on Friday, Zia Yusuf, Reform’s Home Affairs Spokesman, said that his party believed that all face coverings, from burkas to balaclavas, should be banned in public.
He said: “I think they’re un-British in a Western, liberal democracy. It would be very disconcerting if you were just buying something from Tesco and somebody was scanning your stuff and you cannot make eye contact with someone.
“In one of the most surveilled cities in the world in terms of CCTV, the idea that someone can just unilaterally opt out of that surveillance on a whim is crazy.”
Western countries, including France, Belgium, Austria, Bulgaria, Switzerland and the Netherlands, have introduced full or partial bans on burkas, as well as some Italian and Spanish districts.
Even some countries with large Muslim populations, such as Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan have introduced bans, largely for security reasons.
The European Court of Human Rights rejected a challenge against France’s ban, brought by a devout Muslim, accepting that it was justified in the interests of social cohesion.
It ruled that burka bans do not breach the European Convention on Human Rights as they protect the rights and freedoms of others, even if they do impinge on freedom of thought and religion.
French authorities argued that religious veils were degrading to women, an affront to France’s secular traditions, and a security risk because they could prevent the accurate identification of individuals.
In the UK, there are no laws banning face coverings, except at protests, where police have the power to direct people to remove them and to seize them where they are used to conceal identity.
Badenoch believes women should be free to wear what they like, rather than what their husbands or communities dictate.
However, she has also said there were “more insidious” threats to integration than burkas, such as sharia courts, which primarily manage family and marital affairs, including divorce and remarriage but are not regulated by the Government.
There are concerns that the lack of integration and social cohesion can provide a breeding ground for Islamist extremism.
The burka is seen by many critics as a symbol of oppression.
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Has she been to Bradford, Luton, Leicester, Tower Hamlets? Good luck with that.
It’s not going to “tackle Islamist extremism” ffs – it will make it worse if anything.
I guess it’s a convenient, public way of saying to Muslims “keep the most obvious signs of your religion private”. While I have some sympathy with the intention, I think it might be too late. If the intention is turn Muslims into a well integrated bunch of “British” citizens then it will take decades of struggle and controversy – a determined effort to make it clear we want assimilation. I can’t see it happening. Maybe it will happen anyway, organically, over time, but I won’t live to see it.
Big time waster kemi
Her and the entire Tory party and their membership.
Well a burka is what they wear in Afghanistan, and I think some people get a bit mixed up with the different names for the various garments. As much as I hate seeing them going around like a mobile tent, it’s actually only the niqab that I personally object to and think should be banned because I think ALL face coverings should be banned.
Fortunately where I am it’s mainly just the hijabis, who usually wear western clothes and not bed sheets.
I also think ‘burkinis’ should be banned in swimming pools, as I see that regularly too.
Both the burka and the niqab completely cover the woman.
The niqab is the face veil, where the eyes are still visible. The burka is the full body table cloth, like Afghanistan, where the eyes aren’t visible. Both should be banned, but I’ve never ever seen a woman wearing a burka over here, only the niqab, hijab, chador combo, and only very rarely. So if they’re going to ban the burka they’d be remiss not to also ban the niqab.
I think that unless you’re cycling in the cold there should be a ban on all face coverings, including the teatowel mafia.
Both burqa and niqab are dehumanising and degrading. You can just about eat and drink in public with the latter but you’d have no chance with the former;
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“Sources have said that Shabana Mahmood, the Home Secretary and the first Muslim woman to hold the post, personally believes that the Government has no role in telling people what they can or cannot wear, whether that is miniskirts or face veils.”
Shabana is clearly thick. Covering your face, the primary mechanism through which humans have communicated since literally forever, is not merely a question of clothing choice; it is something which flies in the face (haha) of everything a civilised high-trust society should strive for.
Actually, I agree with Shabana Mahmood.
I don’t think the state has any right to tell people what they can and can’t wear.
In general, it would be better for the state to stay out of people’s lives and concentrate on running the public services.
I don’t like women wearing a burqa. But it’s their choice. Likewise, I don’t want the state to tell my wife what she can and can’t wear either.
Covering the face – unless, as Mogwai has written above, you either must for your safety (e.g. riding a motorbike, cycling in cold weather, conducting oxyacetylene welding, deep-sea diving) or want to because it is expected and is consensual (e.g. masked ball, anonymous orgy 😂) – is contrary to the culture of all civilised societies. Even many islamic societies ban face coverings in public, for gawd’s sake.
Covering the face in the public space is not a question of clothing – it’s just plain wrong and should not be tolerated.
The key point is that we are talking about the public space.
I am with MajorMajor on this one though you make very good points. This exchange clearly illustrates that personal liberty of the kind we’ve traditional enjoyed and the presence of millions of people from alien cultures are incompatible. We are screwed.
”I don’t like women wearing a burqa. But it’s their choice.” I’m doubtful there’s much in the way of choice where the women are concerned. She’ll have been indoctrinated since birth and instructed by male relatives, then eventually her husband, to dress this way, or face the consequences. Hence why there’s so much abuse of teenage girls ( even resulting in so-called ‘honour killings’ sometimes ) by families when they feel she’s becoming ‘too Westernized’. The most tragic thing is that none of this is coming from their beloved Koran, apparently. It just says to ”dress modestly”, by all accounts; ”The Quran does not specifically mention the burqa or tell women to wear such extremely confining clothes. Instead, it instructs men and women to dress and behave modestly in society (24:31), which the Ulama or “Scholars” do agree upon. Modern day Muslims base their authority regarding the burqa on the hadith or collected traditions of life in the days of prophet Muhammad. It is important to note here that these “collected traditions” have no place in Islam. Most followers of these traditions know little of their origins or authenticity. It is a crime that so many men who have coaxed,… Read more »
I totally accept that a lot of women probably wear the burqa because of social pressure and not by choice. Yes, certainly, they might be indoctrinated. Yes, they are certainly oppressed.
But – it’s not our duty to fix the problem.
The US spent 20 years and billions of dollars trying to promote western values in Afghanistan. It didn’t work. The afghans didn’t want it. They went back to totalitarian Islam, with all the brutality that comes with it, including the oppression of women. That was their choice. It’s not our duty to fix their system.
My neighbours might have a terrible marriage. Maybe they are deeply unhappy. Yet it’s not my duty to tell them how to live their lives.
Then if that’s how they prefer to live they should move to a place where they are in the majority and where it’s classed as ‘normal’ for them, as opposed to travelling many miles, bypassing a number of majority Muslim countries, and imposing their alien and incompatible cultural norms on us, then crying ”discrimination” if we oppose this and refuse to bend to their will.
We in the West are a soft touch and much more appealing, though, even more so than rich majority Muslim countries such as the UAE, who are certainly tolerant in many ways ( such as with religious freedom ) but don’t hold any truck with third world dregs who just want to sponge from the system, commit crimes or advocate terrorism and extremism. I think being a democracy ( in theory, anyway ) is a double-edged sword and has its downfalls. Scumbags will always be drawn to such a system so that they can weaponize it and use it against us. The native oikophobes endorse and facilitate this, hence our nations become Islamified, and the rest is history. I’m suspecting the UAE doesn’t have many oikophobes, in comparison…
I can’t stand the things, and don’t like anyone covering their face (usually thugs where I live). But “choice” is complex. I don’t much fancy the way they live and don’t like the way women seem to be expected to play a certain role. That said, I have a Muslim colleague who dresses modestly (legs and arms covered, always a scarf on). She must be in her 40s now, unmarried, dad died years ago, just her mum left. She could easily dress differently at work – recently there have been a couple of Muslim men at work but I doubt they bother her and they have only joined recently – or out and about. But she doesn’t. I don’t know why. She chooses to pray every day at work – no-one would know if she didn’t, other than her metropolitan liberal colleagues who would not care. Maybe it’s conditioning that just sticks with you. Shame she has not married and had kids who maybe would have grown up with a more open mindset, but she once said there were no Asian Muslim men she wanted to marry (she’s feisty so probably a lot of them would not tolerate that) and… Read more »
A new show for the proles theatre. Bidofoacoch knows full well that there will be no ban, and even if there was it wouldn’t make one iota of difference. My country is already lost to Islam and it’s now just a matter of time before the English are finally put out of their misery.
Yes agreed. But she is, nevertheless, right.
Of course. But talk is meaningless with these people. The only thing that matters is their intentions, and their intentions are based upon their utter contempt for those that they’re supposed to represent. I no longer judge on what people say, I judge on what people intend. And in the world of reductionist materialism that these self-appointed elites inhabit, the only intent is the self.
She will say anything to get the party back into power. Then do nothing.
wife beating, paedophilia, FGM and for the non-believers deception, rape, murder, slavery and protection rackets.
Kemi can think about what she likes. She wont ever be in a position to implement anything. Banning burkas is just a fringe matter. You must look to the core issue, that fundamental Islam is not compatible with life in the UK. What say you about that Kemi.?
There is a ban on full face coverings in the Netherlands in public buildings. Motorcycle helmet, balaclava, niqab etc.
There is currently a row where a niqab wearing women is accusing a fish&chip shop owner of discrimination because of not selling her fish because he could not see her face and didn’t trust it….
Until the next scamdemic?
Badenoch or others don’t even need to mention the Burqa, all they have to do is want to ban face coverings in public
What exactly does banning a burqua achieve? Will they be banning a yamulke or nuns habit, or priests collar next. What exactly is Kemi trying to achieve? A shame she isn’t spending more time on things that greatly matter.