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NeilParkin
1 month ago

Elon Musk snubs Nigel Farage as Tesla boss endorses former Reform UK MP’s new political party Restore Britain

Elon is an extraordinary figure, but what does his endorsement of Lowe really mean. Lowe is an arch disruptor and has been doing great work as an MP. Restore will appeal to those who want to go back to 1950, but much of what Rupert is advocating is already Reform policy, or so far from the centre that it is unelectable. I’m afraid I can only see one reason for his new party and that is to try and diminish Reform. I wonder if Gavin WIlliamsons presence in the top positions of Restore makes anyone else curious as to how a well known Tory wet can ride these two horses at the same time.?

pjar
1 month ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Musk is invested in highlighting the grooming gang matter, Lowe is the only politician also openly invested, rather than trying to wait it out… I think, perhaps, it’s as simple as that, though I confess I haven’t read his ‘endorsement, in full.

transmissionofflame
1 month ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Depends what you mean by the “centre”. If the “centre” is far left then yes I suppose he is “far away from the centre”. Unelectable? Maybe. But you have to stand up for what you believe in and if a party crosses red lines for you, then in my opinion you should not vote for them. We’ve had decades of Fake Conservatives because people voted for them because they were the least bad choice.
I find Lowe a much more convincing figure than Farage. Farage strikes me as just another Big Government politician. Lowe strikes me as genuine. Maybe he’s a much better actor.
Reform seem just about well aligned with my views for me to consider voting for them, though the leading figures were weak on “covid”.
It would be a shame if “Restore” fragmented the freedom loving vote to an extent that it let the Uniparty in. But if the UK is not ready for it then so be it. I’m just a far right crackpot apparently.
What do you mean by “going back to 1950” and what’s wrong with it?

NeilParkin
1 month ago

He’s unelectable, as a national party, because on the other side of political views, are people who could never contemplate anything other that the progressive left thinking. You might get a few with something a bit softer, but not with banning Halal for example. You cant just preach to the choir. Winning power isn’t just about appealing to your own base. As much as we may want to be true to principles, having principles and being in opposition is no use to me. Farage has been part of the political establishment for a long time. Lowe has come from a business background. They have different styles. Farage is a bit more considered about optics, I think. Lowe a bit more ‘bull at a gate’. Probably the reason they fell out. We still have the monolithic progressives and Fabians, fathoms deep right across the board of government and the public sector. This is not going to be easy, and everyone in a Reform government is going to have to show tremendous discipline and resolve. Sadly, there are no Executive Orders, and I fear that many, many battles will have to be won. As for 1950, I choose that because at that… Read more »

transmissionofflame
1 month ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Yes I would agree with a lot of that. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wanting to get closer to 1950 than we are now, though I disagree with proposals to change the basis on which immigrants who are already here LEGALLY can remain – but then Labour are proposing retrospective changes to that, at least in terms of their path to citizenship.

thechap
thechap
1 month ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

I agree with all of this, a very well thought out comment (referring to your second comment). I would take Lowe in a heartbeat over Farage. I believe him to be more open, more sincere and more honest. I haven’t heard Lowe say anything I disagree with. For me, Farage worries me over one particular comment he made a while back when he said “If we take on Islam, we will lose.” I wanted to ask him what losing to Islam looks like. Was he suggesting we couldn’t deal with the Islamic extremists in our society? If that’s what he meant, then he is admitting that we have already lost. Whatever he meant, it sounded to me like political cowardice and surrender. I also hold deep reservations about him and Reform over the way they treated Lowe. For me, their integrity took a huge hit. All that being said, despite any reservations I have about Farage and about Reform, they are this country’s *only* hope of coming anywhere close to breaking our thoroughly corrupt existing political system. As much as I like them and want to support Rupert Lowe and Ben Habib, any upsetting of the momentum Reform have will… Read more »

EppingBlogger
1 month ago

Rupert Lowe might be elected but I doubt his party will get any significant representation in the HoC. I am unsure whether to believe it is Lowe’s egotism or his hatred of Nigel Farage that motivates him.

Without doubt his party can only damage the prospects of Reform which is not yet a sure thing for the GE winner. Anyone who supports Lowe and Co must bear the responsibility if Reform fall short of MPs at the GE.

As to Elon Musk, I suspect he does not understand UK politics as much as he thinks he does and quite naturally that is secondary to him. He is a patriotic American and good for that. The press says Musk will fund the Lowe party but he cannot do so. The nearest he could get would be for a subsidiary comnpany of his in the UK to do it and that might not be as easy as it sounds.

transmissionofflame
1 month ago
Reply to  EppingBlogger

I agree with most of that

Is it not possible that Lowe simply doesn’t feel at home in Reform? I tend to assume most of them are egotists

As for Musk, he possibly thinks Farage is too mealy-mouthed – US politics seems more outspoken

soundofreason
soundofreason
1 month ago

1950? My Grandma didn’t have a fridge – that’s an example of what would be wrong with it.

Heretic
Heretic
1 month ago
Reply to  soundofreason

Like many people, I didn’t have a fridge, either, half a century ago when I rented a tiny bedsit room in an old terraced house up north, whose rooms had all been turned into bedsits, except for the bathroom & kitchen. In order to keep the rent low (£7 a week!) the landlord didn’t want to splash out on a fridge for the shared kitchen, so we had to keep the milk outside on the windowsill.

Purpleone
1 month ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

I wonder if Restore is a play to the right of Reform, to make reform look more ‘centrist’ to those who currently think they are ‘hard right’?

Jon Garvey
1 month ago

Russia killed Alexei Navalny with frog poison, Britain reveals

That would be weapons-grade frog poison, presumably. Left on the door handle of his cell and retrieved several years later by Danger Mouse sent out to Russia by Porton Down.

Jon Garvey
1 month ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

Ah – soon to be revealed that the identity of Danger Mouse is Christopher Steele.

Talltone
Talltone
1 month ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

Another “weapon of mass destruction” and just about as plausible. MI6 should stick to what it’s good at, fomenting terrorist activities overseas.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Jon Garvey

My only question is why they would choose this method? The other alleged assassinations were conducted on people walkin free on the streets of another nation. Navalny was a captive in a remote Siberian jail, and most of the world had forgotten him. Creating all this publicity by his death would only serve to bring him into the public conciousness again and as such would benefit his supporters rather than Russia.

For a fist full of roubles

Far more likely than a Russian plot is that another prisoner or guard poisoned him, incentivised by one of the many groups and countries who had a grudge against Russia and who could use the ensuing publicity for their own benefit.
It is notable that this was “discovered” just in time to be announced at the end of the European security meeting.

EppingBlogger
1 month ago

Experimental testing?

huxleypiggles
1 month ago

This story is a distraction and that’s all.

Dinger64
1 month ago

“Farage’s right-hand man publishing book on how to launder money”

Its called ‘ How to open a vape shop or Turkish barbers’

NeilParkin
1 month ago
Reply to  Dinger64

Just this last week, a Minister was horrified at the suggestion that’s why our high streets are full of these shops, busy but apparently doing no business. Even called it racist to suggest.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Dinger64

Oh you cynic you!

Dinger64
1 month ago

With good reason🫠

Manchester news: The British city with a staggering 54 vape shops on just two streets https://share.google/gYx6nkDZBbVIJgkru

For a fist full of roubles

Lowe’s new party has all the disadvantages as Reform did in its early years. An undeveloped manifesto, focussed on just one person, currently focussed on one issue which it now seems he was using as a publicity vehicle for his party launch.
He does however have one advantage. The left wing parties will not give him a hard time like they do with Reform, in fact it would be in their interests to encourage him as he will split the votes of the Right even more.

AbsolutelyNot
1 month ago

“currently focussed on one issue”

That’s exactly my view as well, he keeps pushing with the investigation into rapist gangs and the ban on non-stun slaughter which I strongly support as well, but would he be able to run a country at the same time? Does he have any visions around economy, education, foreign policy, etc.?

huxleypiggles
1 month ago
Reply to  AbsolutelyNot

I am not aware that ANY government since Margaret Thatcher has shown any ability to run a country. Run it into the ground definitely but run it for the good of the people, clueless.

The vast majority of politicians over the last thirty / fifty years have never had a real job and consequently have never done a day’s work in their lives, why should continuing with failure even be considered?

transmissionofflame
1 month ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

100%
Running a business is in many ways like running a country except you get punished for failure. A good businessman will also know when to stick his nose in and when to let people get on with it – letting people get on with it is something most politicians seem unable or unwilling to do.

Heretic
Heretic
1 month ago

Rupert Lowe specifically said in his video that NO POLITICIANS will be allowed to stand as electoral candidates for Restore Britain.

He really is offering something new.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Heretic

Since the criticisn of Reform was that they had no experience of parliament nor government, then they would struggle. How does a party with zero experience of either have any credibility.
My other concern is how he will react to other senior figures within his own party. We have seen that he reacts badly to dissent (he was particularly belligerent on one debate i\ saw him in when the other participant disagreed. It is clear that he is no different to what he alleged Farage to be – his party so his rules.
The tone of his party web site would seem to confirm this.

Heretic
Heretic
1 month ago

“Belligerent”?? Thank heaven for that! People are sick to death of mealy-mouthed, wishy-washy, backpedalling politicians.

Myra
1 month ago

Not sure what to make of Rupert Lowe/Ben Habib’s chances to get a majority. Very low chances I think.
I am of the opinion that the electoral system needs fundamental change in order to get a better representation of the population. The uniparty and tactical voting means that we end up in a situation where decisions are made contrary to the wishes of the majority of people.
And we need to think outside the box. Just PR won’t be the solution. It gives too much power to the urban vote. A combination of PR within constituencies, in which constituencies provide for instance 5 MPs based on the voting within that constituency, may be a way forward? Or the use of direct democracy?
Would a party with that in it’s manifesto get a majority? Because the current systemic is beyond flawed. Just remember the number of Reform vs Liberal votes and the number of MPs for each party.

EppingBlogger
1 month ago
Reply to  Myra

A majority? They have no chance at all!

EppingBlogger
1 month ago

It is tedious but necessary to regularly point out how we got in the mess we are in now on so many policy areas. The press summaries listed above include a Tory peer and Tory journalists who say, with various forms of words, that we should pause or stop Net Zero. So let us remember how the Tory party voted on the Climate Change Act – only five MPs voted against. Let us remember who glorified in the physical destruction of coal fired power stations (Cameron-Clegg and their Ministers), let us recall who made the Net Zero target even more impossible – Mrs May. So it was also on many other policy areas where they now claim to be uncertain or where they want to roll back a little. Their pursuit of wrong policies goes back longer than 14 years because, as we have seen, they were supporting Blairite policies in opposition. So to claim tghey have had a miraculous conversion after a few months out of office is incredible – literally not believable. The Tories carry huge responsibility and they cannot again be trusted. Besides, many in their party are not even folowing the new line which seems to… Read more »

huxleypiggles
1 month ago
Reply to  EppingBlogger

I agree 👍

Western Firebrand
Western Firebrand
1 month ago

I don’t wish to access the Mail online, but at least they’re reporting on the ongoing genocide in northern and central Nigeria. While the BBC and other “mainstream” apologists pretend that Christians are not explicitly targeted, the truth is that what Boko Haram and other IS-backed groups leave behind is vulnerable to the Islamist Fulani people – armed and assisted by sympathisers within the Nigerian administration and international Islamic powers. Our politicians could have heard how this has developed over the last fifteen years, with regular presentations to Parliamentarians – but there is nothing but silence from the Foreign & Commonwealth Office.

Heretic
Heretic
1 month ago

Good points. And there is nothing but silence from Nigerian Birth Tourist Olukemi Olufunto Adegoke, bizarrely chosen as leader of the UK Tory party, whose fellow Adegoke clan member married The Ooni of Ife, traditional ruler of Olukemi Olufunto’s Yoruba people. Though Olukemi Olufunto Adegoke apparently converted to the Catholicism of her White British husband, she has nothing at all to say about the Mass Slaughter of Nigerian Christians.

Heretic
Heretic
1 month ago

Russia killed Alexei Navalny with frog poison, Britain reveals

“Russia” of course didn’t kill its most popular politician Navalny, any more than “Brazil” threw its most popular politician Bolsonaro into prison for 27 years. At any rate, this comes at a very convenient time for the Warmongering EU & Zelensky the Weasel trying to drum up yet more western money so he can trouser the cash.

Speaking of Putin, though, I’ve been wondering why the Communist ex-KGB agent and supposedly devout Russian Orthodox Dictator Putin has visited every Pope of Rome during his quarter-century in power, except for the most recent Leo, who so far has only received a phone call, perhaps arranging a Putin visit in future?

Surely Putin’s assiduous attentions to the Catholic Pope of Rome are at the very least annoying to the Russian Orthodox Church?