Home Secretary Announces Creation of “British FBI” – But is it a Good Idea?
Shabana Mahmood has announced she wants to merge the 43 police forces in England and Wales and create a new National Police Service, which she has dubbed a “British FBI”. (BBC News has more.) She insists this is “absolutely not” but about fixing our “broken” police service, describing it as “the most significant reforms to policing this country has seen in 200 years”. In the Sunday Times, Robert Colville is sceptical.
Back in 1964 the Police Act slashed the number of forces in England and Wales from 117 to 49, which was gradually winnowed down to the 43 we have today. Mahmood wants to amalgamate those into a dozen or so regional super-forces while creating a separate, national force to cover big things like terrorism, fraud and gangs, and a new layer of local policing to deal with day-to-day crime.
The plan is bold. It’s logical. And it’s almost certainly doomed.
Let’s start at the beginning. There is obvious inefficiency in having 43 police forces with overlapping and duplicated functions. And traditional policing boundaries make less and less sense in an age of online fraudsters and county lines drug gangs. That’s why senior coppers have been arguing for mergers for years.
But at the same time, if people have been calling for something for a generation, there’s probably a reason it hasn’t happened. In fact, a very similar plan was introduced by Mahmood’s Labour predecessor Charles Clarke in 2006. It was an utter fiasco. As for creating a “British FBI” to fight crime at a national level, we’ve had versions of the same announcement in 1995, 2004, 2011 and 2016. And I may have missed a few.
The first and most obvious problem is operational. Any reorganisation like this is inherently disruptive. All the more so when bringing together organisations with different ways of working, different software systems and all the rest of it.
And the precedents are not encouraging. In 2013 the SNP merged eight Scottish police forces into one. Frontline officers complained that their views were ignored throughout, and that methods and personnel from Glasgow were being imposed on the rest of the country. In the decade that followed, the proportion of Scots saying their local force were doing a good or excellent job fell from 61 per cent to 45 per cent.
More recently, in 2018, the Metropolitan Police amalgamated 32 boroughs into 12 multi-borough units. An official review by Baroness Casey in 2023 was utterly damning: the front line had been “deprioritised”, connections between communities and police had been weakened, local policing had been “fractured”, there was less knowledge of local crime patterns, response times had gone up. Her brutal conclusion was that “London no longer has a functioning neighbourhood policing service”.
The Home Secretary will protest that her plans are different — that the savings from reducing duplication will be ploughed back into genuine neighbourhood policing. But it’s impossible to be confident. Because every speech by a chief constable calling for mergers makes clear that the primary justification is saving money — just as it was in Scotland, and indeed in Norway and the Netherlands.
All the evidence is that the public are increasingly frustrated with the police. The most serious crimes may be going down, but on every main indicator — are local police doing a good job, do you have confidence in them, do you see police on the streets, are you satisfied with how the police responded when you were a victim of crime, and so on — satisfaction has fallen sharply.
There is a prevailing sense that when you are a victim of low-level crime, the police simply don’t bother to investigate unless an algorithm somewhere spits out the right answer on “solvability”. Moving to regional forces can only exacerbate that.
There’s also a constitutional issue. Mahmood has talked a lot about the contract between police and citizens. Even when she was abolishing elected police and crime commissioners — a Tory innovation that never quite caught on — she said it was because they had not provided enough democratic oversight.
But pulling powers into a national police force, answerable to the Home Secretary, hardly follows the Peelite principles of community consent — even if she already controls many of the areas it will have responsibility for. Nor does giving yourself the power to fire chief constables, as a knee-jerk response to the Maccabi Tel Aviv scandal in the West Midlands.
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This is of course an idiotic and pointless proposal, local forces are important and there is already the serious farce squad etc for bigger crimes.
What we could do with is a British ICE, that I could get behind.
Oh, it’s got a point all right. Authoritarianism and political control of the police. That’s it.
Yes, but that force is Border Force along with the Police. If the borders were secure there would be no need for a force behind the defences.
In the UK, the police is a community service. In Germany, it’s basically an army (they actually have machine guns and IFVs, they just usually don’t use them) undergoing military drill during training and used to control the population and crack down parts of it as needed/ ordered. I’m deeply suspicious about proposals to abolish the English model and move to something much closer to the German model.
Why does the home secretary believe she needs an army for domestic uses?
Things getting even hairier in Minneapolis with these protestors versus ICE. I read elsewhere they shot another woman today but they’ve also shot this man. Apparently he was armed but his gun was holstered the whole time. Taking a gun to a protest is undeniably a really dumb thing to do, however, they do have the 2nd amendment over there and so have a right to carry. I don’t know, people can view this footage and see what they think. It’s pretty chaotic but you can see several ICE men are on him, guy’s on the ground, could they not just cuff him instead at that point? He’s obviously overpowered; https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/2015089808381517866 This is a slowed down clearer view. You can see a guy bending over to take the gun from the guy’s holster, then afterwards the agent in the black hat shoots him in the head. I get you shouldn’t obstruct government officials while they’re going about their business but doesn’t this strike you as excessive? They basically executed the guy; ”The shooter is witnessing how the guy is being disarmed, he even pushes the guy in the gray coat who has taken the gun, and when that guy is… Read more »
For anyone wanting to further scrutinize this execution ( because that’s what it’s looking more like now ), here is yet another angle slowed down, where you can clearly see ‘grey coat guy’ bending over and fumbling around to disarm the man ( Alex Pretti ) who’s getting punched in the face whilst on the deck. And I’ve read elsewhere a doctor’s witness statement saying this man was shot multiple times, including three times in the neck, but I can’t find the damn thing now;
https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/2015132430475182334
I think the ICE agents are very restrained when dealing with these Far Left protesters who are in favour of murderers, rapists etc in the country illegally. No tears from me for one less leftie twat on the planet.
I agree, Gezza. We are witnessing a full-blown, well-organized attempt at Bolshevik Revolution in the West.
Will they get smart new uniforms?
And Jackboots?
They have artist’s impressions all ready so that they can go in the press release.
This government is good at announcing plans, but the only one that has been brought to fruition is breakfast clubs. It is going to take more than a few packets of cornflakes to sort this.
“There is obvious inefficiency in having 43 police forces with overlapping and duplicated functions.”
This is a bureaucrat’s or a socialist’s comment.
The loss of efficiency caused by a loss of local initiative and accountability far outweighs any savings from discounts on motor vehicle purchase and maintenance, etc which larger units theoretically give (but in practice never do).
Just a few days ago we were concerned about the locals having too much influence over the police in West Midlands. Too much influence from people who think the law should be something other than it actually is.
Apply the real law without fear or favour.
When ever I hear something like this. My first thought is, how does this hinder the native Brits. And help the others. Maybe I am too cynical!
One Stasi is easier for the Blob to manipulate. 🤔
NOTHING, NOTHING that the retards of the Labour Party announce is a good idea.
EVER.
They keep ‘announcing’ as they have no intention of actually putting the plan in place.
How can Mahmood close hotels when we have 1,000 plus arrivals every week in calm weather. That alone fills on large hotel every few days.
Anarcho-tyranny. Starmer will back anything that can enforce his destruction of Britain on the populace
Here is what would be a SHAKEUP——Arrest criminals and give them a punishment that fits the crime and stop with the SOCIAL JUSTICE CRAP
She will be creating something more akin to the East German Stasi than the FBI.
Check out a picture of Erich Honeker ….. uncanny likeness to Two-Tier.
Does it really matter that much, replacing one dysfunctional system with another will not result in anything but dysfunction.
We had a reasonable system of governance until the Blairite monsters screwed the entire system up, so perhaps it’s time to just let it all happen, then hope that people have the brains to get rid of the cretins in Westminster and start to repair the damage which has been inflicted on the entire UK. It’s happened before in history, not just in the UK but throughout history all over the world. The same scenario is playing out through the western world in a variety of ways.
As Emperor Claudius said, “ Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out”.
I should have said that this is a fictional quote from I Claudius, by Robert Graves. Well worth watching, here’s a link to Episode 1 for those interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7XRX1UBooQ
This proposal on the police swiftly follows on from Labour’s centralisation of local government. In my view both areas are going in the wrong direction. Only where there is a community identity can authorities properly respond to local feeling and conditions.
I have no objection to a national “FBI” quite separate from local bobbies, because serious crime and terrorism need confronting, but ordinary day-today policing should be based on the smallest possible unit.
Yes, the Centralization of Power is absolutely fundamental to Communist control, as in Russia and China. It was called “democratic centralism” by Lenin. Mahmood, like many immigrants from the Indian Subcontinent, is part of The Unholy Muslim-Marxist Alliance. Westerners would be surprised to discover how many Ethnic Indian immigrants are Hardline Marxists.
Good idea?
If done properly. Sadly, UK governments will inevitably make a total mess of it. We now have a lot of practice at making total messes, and are now pretty much prefect at it.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation is not a police service – clue in name – it investigate crimes which take place across State borders, but not in-State crime. Nor does it carry out the functions of policing.
The point of local constabularies was to make them accountable locally. Nationalising the police service brings it under State control at the centre which removes local accountability and control, increases costs and will produce the same disaster as nationalising the health service and the economy did by post-war Marxist-Labour.
Policing and investigation are two distinct functions.
It is unlikely that our foreign Home Secretary will do anything to improve the police, which follows that this student union level government will do nothing to improve our country. There is merit to having police operating on a wider scale, which is probably why they have already done this with various county forces cooperating on crime not restricted to their own counties. And I sure we already have a national body that can investigate things on a national scale and that even link overseas such as the Paki crime syndicates where raping white schoolgirls is just a small part of their operations. What is missing is local small forces such as France has with the Gendarmerie – actually an army force – that exists below the Police Nationale.