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stewart
2 months ago

The last thing Reform need is the Tory-defector bear hug, but a political party that aims for national government can’t exactly turn people away.

You have to hand it to the state establishment. It really knows how to kill off its threats. Mind you it does have an awful lot of power to do so. If I could confiscate a big chunk of everyone’s money, I’d have the power to knock off any threats too.

NeilParkin
2 months ago
Reply to  stewart

Many people have criticised Reform for being ‘Farage Limited’, then they criticise when experienced MP’s join Reform, because they aren’t ‘pure’ enough, and have baggage. There will be more defectors, who have said and written critical things about Farage and Reform. We have to stop over-analysing it and get on with getting Reform ready for being the next government.

stewart
2 months ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

I’m not criticising. I’m saying Reform may be sabotaged from within if it keeps absorbing Tory failures. Rancid former Tories don’t exactly scream of renewal and revitalisation. The ex-vaccines minister and a former Tory immigration minister? Are they joining to help Reform or to sabotage it? Just making observations, asking questions.

I’m happy to leave the cheerleading to cheerleaders.

NeilParkin
2 months ago
Reply to  stewart

I’m not criticising you Stewart.I think we all know the dangers of infiltration by wets and blobists. Its bound to happen to some extent. I’m less worried about the MP’s, than I am about the Heads of Civil Service and the Quangos. It going to be a hell of a battle to move them one inch from their positions.

Jack the dog
Jack the dog
2 months ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

That is going to be the real battle but first we/they need to avoid a split vote letting in some multicoloured left coalition .

stewart
2 months ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

I have to agree with you. The permanent bureaucracy is the real mountain standing in the way.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  stewart

Insisting on full time office attendance and forbidding wfh will eliminate a fair few of the shiftless beggars.

transmissionofflame
2 months ago

My right wing Home Office friend hates the office because it’s a waste of time and energy. He likes to get shit done, which he does better at home. Full time office attendance would force him to leave – one right wing civil servant down. Be careful what you wish for.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  NeilParkin

I am sure that Reform have an effective moisture meter to separate the wets from the chaps.

pjar
2 months ago
Reply to  stewart

I’m not entirely in disagreement, but…

I am puzzled by this idea that all the voters can turn their backs on a party that no longer reflects their political views, but politicians cannot.

In the case of Jenrick, or anyone else I suppose, it’s for them to explain why they are parting company with the party they were elected to represent but Jenrick has apparently been associated with the Conservatives for nearly thirty years, it’s just possible they no longer represent his beliefs today in the way they did when he joined, surely?

That said, I’m strongly of the belief that any defection should automatically trigger a bye election, so those who voted for their MP might endorse their decision.

transmissionofflame
2 months ago
Reply to  pjar

I think for people to support them, the reasons and circumstances of their change of heart need to be plausible so they don’t appear unprincipled. But in this case I think a lot of the flak is because he’s Reform and they Won’t Do for the elites.

huxleypiggles
2 months ago
Reply to  stewart

Would that be the taxi dodging ex vaccines minister?

Jack the dog
Jack the dog
2 months ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Point taken but IMO Jenrick is not a great acquisition.

I think it is a desertion which has weakened both parties, it does highlight how kemi is probably not the leader they need.

Not sure who would be really they do still have some good people but I struggle to identify a likely successful leader.

thechap
thechap
2 months ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

I agree with this. If Reform win the next election, they are going to need experienced heads to run the country. Without experience, The Blob will run rings around them and paralyse any reforming policies. I despise the mainstream parties for doing nothing to try to stop the decline of this country. They have proven themselves incompetent and corrupt. They do not deserve power ever again. Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, Johnson, May and Starmer all deserve to be thrown to the baying crowds, along with many of their deputies and underlings. However, the bigger enemy is The Blob – the Civil Service and wider public services/institutions, who have been utterly captured by left-wing ideologies. This is who the real political war is against, and it will need experience to get the better of them. The defection of someone like Jenrick will only help with that mission. I’m not sure about Zahawi, but Dorries, whilst I think she’s a silly cow for her Covid antics and blind support of the wanchor Johnson, does have the strength of character to help wage war against The Blob. I really, truly hope that Farage and those around him have a plan for how to… Read more »

huxleypiggles
2 months ago
Reply to  thechap

I do not accept the “experienced heads” argument. The past thirty years has seen government by traitors and look where we are today. The tory defectors have no business anywhere near government.

Why on earth should we recycle treacherous failures?

huxleypiggles
2 months ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

It is not Reform, it is Rehash.

Free Lemming
2 months ago
Reply to  stewart

I don’t believe Reform, with or without Jenrick (and the rest of the ‘Conservative’ pack), will enact any meaningful change once in power. And they’re clearly being lined up by the system to be the next puppet masters – that seems crystal clear to me. People have quickly forgotten that the ‘peoples man’ Farage called for the military to be brought into Southport to quell the unrest; that’s when his mask slipped as far as I’m concerned. What packing Reform with ex-‘conservatives’ does do – to be fair, Jenrick did appear to be right of centre – is give Reform an excuse to give to the people as to why they’ve not implemented what they were expected to implement by the majority of the electorate. It keeps the machine turning and it maintains the legitimacy of the ballot box as the proles will turn out in their droves to cheer their new King. But the entire system is broken/corrupt – the politicians, the judiciary, the police force, the civil service, the education system, the healthcare system, the taxation system… I’ll stop there. My point is that it won’t be fixed by replacing one small screw on the megastructure that is… Read more »

thechap
thechap
2 months ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

If Reform are not going to destroy and bury the machine, who do you think will and, more importantly, can? Why would you trust that person?

You can’t destroy the infrastructure of the Civil Service because we need it. It’s not the infrastructure that’s the problem; it’s the mindset of those running it, at all levels.

transmissionofflame
2 months ago
Reply to  thechap

In part, but the sheer size matters I think. The more they are involved in, the harder it is to unwind.

Dinger64
2 months ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

And replace it with what? PR, Communism, Anarchy, Serfdom

transmissionofflame
2 months ago
Reply to  Dinger64

More limited government. A constitutional republic with democratic features.

Dinger64
2 months ago

Sounds good but easier said than done!

transmissionofflame
2 months ago
Reply to  Dinger64

They sort of managed it in the US though they left a big hole by giving the Feds too loose a mandate to raise taxes “for the common defense (fine) and “general welfare” (open to abuse).

Free Lemming
2 months ago

Pretty much my thoughts. We certainly need something that looks more anarchic than Capitalist or Marxist (socialist/communist) – both those forms of governance will ultimately lead to unrestricted power in the hands of a few. As we’ve seen. One major problem, as far as I can see, is most people are unwilling to imagine a system outside of the one they know. Even if they don’t really understand how it functions. No matter how broken it gets, and no matter how much destruction and division (both socially and monetarily) it causes, most people cannot (or are unwilling to) consider something beyond it. Questions like “what do we replace it with?” must be secondary to the realisation that it must be replaced with something. And, no, nobody is saying that’s going to be easy or painless.

transmissionofflame
2 months ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Very well put

Milei managed to make some inroads off the back of economic underperformance and a history of political crises – things are not quite that bad here, yet…

Jane G
Jane G
2 months ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Why does it need to be difficult? A big repeal of post 1997 legislation and a return to whatever the Civil Service system was then would be a great beginning. We already have the blueprint; it wasn’t perfect but it was a hell of a lot better than the current freakshow.

huxleypiggles
2 months ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Absolutely bang on FL.

JXB
JXB
2 months ago
Reply to  stewart

“Conservative” means the absolute belief in the natural Rights of each person to life, liberty, and to enjoy their property, that Government should protect those Rights and do nothing to undermine them. Sovereignty of the individual, free market capitalism.

Aparently these fundamental values – espoused by John Locke the 18th Century radical liberal – and the Tories of the 19th Cebtury, is “Far Right”. Well, so be it.

If Reform UK is a “conservative” Party, then it is the home for “conservatives”. Conservatives naturally would support the Conservative Party and vote for it. Since the Conservative Party no longer adheres to fundamental conservatism, then its former supporters must migrate to one that does – and Reform UK is the most aligned to those values.

In short Reform UK will be the Party of defectors from the Conservative Party – anyone who previously voted Tory and now votes or will vote Reform UK is de facto a defector. It’s not just about Tory Big Wigs.

The “working class” is in its essence socially conservative as was Labour pre-Blair, but now it is not, so Reform UK will attract former supporters and voters (defectors) from Labour, which is clearly the case.

stewart
2 months ago

In the Lords, Toby backs an amendment to strip ‘hate crime’ from British law, saying it undermines the principle of equality before the law and criminalises thought.

That’s more like it. Slimming down our laws. That’s something I could definitely get behind.

NeilParkin
2 months ago
Reply to  stewart

More good work from Lord Toby…

Monro
2 months ago

Poland warns of ‘disaster’ if NATO nations turn on each other No real danger of that. ‘The art of the deal’ in action: Art of the deal: ‘He tells me he has a deal he’d like to discuss. He doesn’t say what it is, but with certain people… You don’t ask.’ Action: “Trump called me down to the Oval Office,” John Bolton, national security adviser in 2018, told the Guardian. “He said a prominent businessman (Lauder) had just suggested the US buy Greenland.” Art of the deal: ‘People think I’m a gambler. I’ve never gambled in my life. To me, a gambler is someone who plays slot machines. I prefer to own slot machines. It’s a very good business being the house.’ “Gambling is a tax on ignorance” Action: ‘According to a new study, biomarker evidence suggests the Barents Sea (Arctic) was seasonally “ice free” from ~8000 to ~2100 years ago’ ‘Earlier this year, Canada, the U.S. and Finland united to form an “Ice Pact” to challenge Russia and China’s icebreaker dominance, signaling a new power play in Arctic waters. The pact is expected to fund as many as 90 new icebreakers. While climate alarmists obsess over melting ice and a faux threat… Read more »

Monro
2 months ago
Reply to  Monro

As ‘The Art of the Deal’ might have said:

America is not a country, it’s just a business

2012 film, ‘Killing Them Softly’, Jackie Cogan (Brad Pitt)

JXB
JXB
2 months ago
Reply to  Monro

NATO is a bureaucracy. If its members turn on each other they will be throwing paper clips, pens and staplers around the office.

Monro
2 months ago
Reply to  JXB

As I say, no real danger of that. NATO HQ is predominantly a collection of what are known as ‘NATO knitting groups’.

President Trump is, however, antagonising NATO members rather than NATO itself. He has no intention of invading Greenland.

‘Sometimes you have to go a little wild’.

But he does want Greenland and will use the leverage of U.S. support for Ukraine, turning it on and off, in order to secure Greenland for the U.S.

NATO members have left themselves vulnerable to being strong armed by both Russia and the U.S. as a consequence of their military impotence. Until and unless that unilateral disarmament is remedied, that strong arming will continue.

We have been badly let down by our governments of the last 35 years.

Lockdown Sceptic
2 months ago

Wednesday Morning Caversham 

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Sceptical Steve
Sceptical Steve
2 months ago

The story of the “banning” of the Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from Villa Park in November continues to ignore a massive elephant in the room.

The “Safety Advisory Group” is just that, and had no authority to contact Aston Villa FC and demand the banning of away fans.

The statutory body in this regard, was Birmingham City Council, who seem to have sat on their hands whilst all this was happening.

If BCC had decided to imposed a ban on away supporters under the Safety at Sports Grounds Act, it would have given the club the opportunity to appeal the decision but, by acting in the way it did, the SAG was guilty of a massive, politically-motivated, over-reach.

EppingBlogger
2 months ago

Interesting point.

The elites have for a few decades now preferred codes of conduct and quangos to enforce their model of society. In this case advice feom SAG which was ignored could possibly have left the club uninsured. Maybe that is the way such bodies impose their views.

For a fist full of roubles

The “intelligensia” of the press seem to be raising a unified voice criticising Jenrick’s action, whereas many voters are applauding the move.
Let’s face it, nothing that Reform does will meet with their support because the “elite” view is akin to TDS; shall we call it FDS?

EppingBlogger
2 months ago

Quite right.

Another post noted that voters are allowed to change their mind about which political party they support (well, we used to be!) but the elite leaning media think it is not OK for a politician to change his mind.

Some journalists find it shocking and newsworthy to report that a day/week/month before he joined Reform Jenrick had said he was not going to do it. Do they seriously expect moment-by-moment reporting from anyone they pick on as to their current views.

I note also that many are calling it a defection. Strictly it was not because he had become an independent MP before joining Reform.

JXB
JXB
2 months ago
Reply to  EppingBlogger

You can only change your mind if you vote first what’s on the list of approved Parties and politicians that the elites and media have pre-selected, or you are Far Right and evil.

transmissionofflame
2 months ago

Deluded or deceitful? The faux right do insist on hanging on to their dear Tories.

JXB
JXB
2 months ago

There are none so blind as those who cannot see.

Heretic
Heretic
2 months ago

Powerful speech by Lord Toby in the House of Lords, in support for the astonishingly bold move by Lord Moynihan and Baroness Fox to actually strip the whole concept of “Hate Crime” from British law.

This shows yet again the real value of keeping the House of Lords, actually protecting the public from the anti-democratic impulses of the House of Commons.

JXB
JXB
2 months ago
Reply to  Heretic

“Hate crime” = any expression of dissatisfaction, challenge, opposition or dissent with respect to the Establishment’s policy of destroying British culture, fragmenting society and ruination of the economy by mass immigration.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. So “hate crime” is a reaction. Stop the action causing it. The population has been saying Stop! (called racism) since the 1960s. The Establishment has been saying, “Shut up!” it is what we want not what you Plebs want.

And legislation has been passed to restrict, punish and silence us.

transmissionofflame
2 months ago
Reply to  JXB

As I said the other day it’s like putting spinach on the menu and when it turns out that a lot of people don’t like it and complain, the solution is not to change the menu but force diners to say they like it and tell them they are Evil if they don’t. Reminds me of Procrustes.

transmissionofflame
2 months ago
Reply to  Heretic

Well said. Is Lord Young already a candidate for the peer that has contributed most to preserving freedom? I never paid much attention to the Lords before.

Heretic
Heretic
2 months ago

Yes, I’m the same as you and most people, not having paid much attention to the House of Lords before. And that’s yet another reason why Lord Toby’s elevation to the Lords is so important, because he is highlighting some of the crucially important work they do.

Heretic
Heretic
2 months ago

May I add this to the Round-Up, as shocking news that here in the UK, taxpayers have been the victims of massive Third World Fraud just like the Minnesota Somali Fake Childcare Centres scandal:

Hundreds of children placed in illegal care homes amid ‘broken system’

“…fees for places in unregistered homes have been known to reach as high as £30,000 A WEEK PER CHILD.” (???!!!)


Jon Garvey
2 months ago
Reply to  Heretic

“This shadow market only exists because there aren’t enough of the right kinds of places in legitimate registered homes to take the children who most need specialist support.”

They have problem homes – they need specialist support – they get Dotheboys Hall… or maybe just an abuse agency.