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stewart
2 months ago

“The public are right: citizenship is a privilege, not a right”

I’m afraid the public is dead wrong, and anyone who thinks that is the victim of gaslighting.

Citizenship is a protection racket. You don’t get to opt in or out. Being stateless is not an option, at least not a viable option. You have to be ‘owned” by someone.

They made it even clearer when after the 2008 crisis states tightened up tax avoidance and made it impossible for anyone to not be tax resident anywhere. You simply cannot be part of the financial system and have any kind of bank account without declaring tax residency anywhere. Even if you don’t meet the tax residency criteria in any country. Basically you need to be someone’s bitch. No opting out.

That is the reality of the world. So citizenship is neither a privilege, nor a right. It’s an inescapable obligation.

NeilParkin
2 months ago
Reply to  stewart

I see the logic of what you are saying, but I think you have gone off at 90deg to the statement. Citizenship is a privilege. We inherit it from our forefathers, who have built the country with great endeavour, ingenuity and sacrifice. You can’t just turn up from wherever and become British like sticking a label on yourself. You have you join in, and you have to put in that effort to build for the next generation. If anything has been forgotten by the left, it is that all our toils and travails are for the kids to have a better life than we have.

stewart
2 months ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Possibly what you nean is UK citizenship is a privilege, when compared to others.

But citizenship as such is an unavoidable obligation. Try not being a citizen of anywhere and see how far you get.

Free Lemming
2 months ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

I think you’re conflating citizenship and belonging. Citizenship is just the machines way of monetising belonging.

JXB
JXB
2 months ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Citizenship isn’t inherited. The Irish didn’t inherit their citizenship, they were British up until 1923 abd had no. Itizrbdhbatcall before Ireland – like England – became the fiefdom of the Plantagenet Kings, US “citizens” were British until 1776. Then there is India, Pakistan, Bangladesh – until 1948 all one citizenship – British.

Until 1707 the Scottish and English did not share a common citizenship.

Citizenship is a governmental construct which binds people over whom the governing class has power and from whom demands allegiance in exchange for protection, and gives itself the Right to use coercion to make its citizens pay taxes to them.

transmissionofflame
2 months ago
Reply to  stewart

I’ve not read the article as I don’t have a Spectator subscription but my assumption from the headline is that the author means that the ability to immigrate into another country is a privilege not a right, which seems an entirely reasonable point – that we should not feel morally or in any other way obliged to grant citizenship to foreigners. None of which negates the points that you make – at least I don’t think it does.

stewart
2 months ago

The article does indeed discuss the issue of citizenship in the context of migrants. And refers to the public being asked whether migrants should treat the citizenship they receive as a right or a privilege that can be revoked at any time. My comment is really about how that is a very limited and narrow way of thinking about citizenship and its implications. And really they are conflating citizenship with the right to be in the UK which is what they really care about. It clearly seems that to many people, a migrant that has acquired citizenship is still basically a migrant, a different tier of citizen at best. That is partly because people in the UK tend to think of their citizenship as a gift because compared to many others it probably feels that way. But citizenship in practice (not in theory) is a very modern form of slave branding. We belong to the UK state. The UK state just happens to be a fairly benevolent owner, especially for its more useless non-productive “slaves” because they are maintained very nicely by the productive ones. And compared to many places we aren’t mistreated much – as.long as we diligently hand… Read more »

transmissionofflame
2 months ago
Reply to  stewart

Yes, there’s no more un allocated land that is attractive.

JXB
JXB
2 months ago
Reply to  stewart

In fact it’s a disguised form of serfdom.

The serf could not leave the land without the landowner’s permission, he was required to provide such labour for the benefit of the landowner that the latter required (called income tax these days), restricted on what he could eat, not allowed to criticise his landlord.

Sound familiar?

Under Magna Carta, there are no citizens, just free, sovereign individuals.

NeilParkin
2 months ago

The white women turning to ‘Dark Woke’

Always the middle class white women, eh..? Never seen that mentioned before…

Lockdown Sceptic
2 months ago

Monday Morning Sonning 

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Jack the dog
2 months ago

Forget maduro, I think sstarmer is now even less popular than the Ayatolla.

transmissionofflame
2 months ago

When people talk about the police having ties or links with the community, it’s never law abiding white communities that they mean. It’s other groups that, rightly or wrongly, are suspected of being apt to kick off into mass lawlessness, triggered by something or other. This is seen as normal.

Dinger64
2 months ago

Mob rule! And Birmingham will be the first sectarian city, added and abetted by it’s police force

For a fist full of roubles

We were told yesterday that the disgraceful W Midlands cop took advantage of a fire and rehire scheme that enabled him to maximise his pensions. Apparently he had a one month break so that one pension scheme could be closed and another one started a month later to avoids the limits on pension pots.
It was also suggested that his income for the year increased despite the one month break in service.

soundofreason
soundofreason
2 months ago

I agree with your point but I think you mean ‘retire and rehire’.

Fire and rehire is rarely in the individuals favour.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  soundofreason

I think you are right, thanks

Dinger64
2 months ago

“Woman identifying as a man is ‘raped in all-male psychiatric hospital ward’, court hears”

Oh dear, how sad, never mind!

Boomer Bloke
2 months ago
Reply to  Dinger64

Who would have thunk it?

For a fist full of roubles

Perhaps Greenland/Denmark should make a deal with Canada. It is more naturally linked to Canada than USA

pjar
2 months ago

Four million denied a vote in attack on democracy

It occurs to me that this is a wrong move, not from a constitutional view, though it possibly is but, rather from a political one…

Labour are likely to be trounced at the next general election, whatever they do. There is no hiding from the absolute shambles of this government but, if they were to allow these elections to go ahead and the result was sweeping gains by Reform, they would have to run those councils until the next election, in which time they may well find (as Labour have), that being in power is a different thing to carping on the sidelines and the lustre may come off the public’s perception of how they might run the country?

pjar
2 months ago

The Maccabi scandal shows the danger of communalism’s grip on Britain

Well, maybe, but it also raises a question about the police and their willingness to manufacture evidence to get the result they desire.

And that, in turn, raises another question about how widespread it might be?

soundofreason
soundofreason
2 months ago
Reply to  pjar

Of course, the Chief Constable must go, but so must the senior officers who also lied. What happened was not the mistake of a single individual. It is proof of how – confronted by the politics of communalism – British policing has gone wrong.

My emphasis added.

I hope that Guildford’s resistance to resigning results in a healthy dose of cleansing daylight into the force – and into other forces.

soundofreason
soundofreason
2 months ago

Lucy Connolly has been warned she could be recalled to prison after re-posting a comment which joked about Trump removing Sir Keir Starmer after Maduro’s removal from power in Venezuela, reports the Express.

Re-posting a joke is bad behaviour?

I mean, it’s clearly a joke, right? Trump’s administration would never try to remove Starmer, right?

Right?

Not even if we said please?

Heretic
Heretic
2 months ago

May I add this news to the Round-Up:

78% Of Netherlands Starter Homes For Families With Children Go To Aliens, While 20% Of Overall ‘General Starter’ Homes Go To Aliens

“Last year, Dutch politicians from a variety of parties complained that refugees can gain access to housing in a mere 14 weeks on a waiting list, while Dutch citizens can wait up to 12 years.”