BBC Fact-Checking Show More or Less Gets its Climate Facts Wrong Again

The BBC More or Less statistics programme is one of the last remaining Radio 4 programmes worth a listen. It tries to dispassionately analyse the data behind often narrative-driven and politicised claims. Except when it comes to climate change and Net Zero of course. Here it is seemingly bound by the BBC’s weird view of ‘settled’ science which gives alarmists and activists a free broadcast pass to create mass climate psychosis. Case in point, a recent cringe-inducing ‘why are you so very wonderful’  interview with the Green Blob-funded Attribution Queen Professor Friederike Otto.

Presenter Tim Harford set the ball rolling with a suggestion that the British weather is getting “downright weird”. This seems to refer to the fact that days can sometimes be sunny, sometimes sodden, sometimes on the same day. These factual burdens might be considered obvious to anyone who has bravely lived for more than six months in the British Isles. Otto of course was delighted to run with the Guardianista “weird” tag, suggesting that some colleagues do actually call it “global weirding”. Particularly colleagues who like herself try to second guess the chaotic atmosphere with computer models producing pseudoscientific, lawfare-ready climate Armageddon nonsense, it might be said.

No attempt was made to question Otto’s bonkers claim that “every time it rains now, it rains more than it would have without climate change”. Not in Scotland, Harford might have noted, the rainiest country in the United Kingdom. As the Met Office graph below shows, the amount of Scottish rainfall has flatlined for about 40 years.

Over in Northern Ireland, the flat line has been holding steady for 25 years, while in England, cyclical rainfall amounts have recovered to 1870s levels. Not much sign of humans fiddling with the weather with regard to these ones, Harford did not point out.

On a global level, rainfall totals do not seem to have changed much.  A recent paper found little overall change in the Amazon over the last 300 years. In 2022, a group of Italian scientists led by Professor Gianluca Alimonti consulted widely available data and found that rainfall intensity and frequency had remained stationary worldwide, with no sign of a significant rise in flood magnitude.

The Alimonti findings were eventually retracted by Nature after a gang of activists – including, no prizes for guessing, F. Otto – said it that it should never have been published. Otto claimed that the scientists were not operating in “good faith” and “if the journal cares about science it should withdraw it loudly and publicly, saying that it should never have been published”. There are lots of stats in this infamously retracted work, including those from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a biased body, but one nevertheless that currently observes little recent change in most extreme weather events. But, it seems, none of these stats interest More or Less.

Global temperatures have risen by 1.6°C since pre-industrial times, stated Otto, a claim that seems to reply on picking a recent high point that is now rapidly falling, unreliable temperature measurements and seemingly adding some extra for luck. Even the UK Met Office – activist-central for the Net Zero fantasy – estimates that long-term warming averaged over decades is around 1.3°C. In fact, unnatural urban heat corruption and regular additions of warming on a retrospective basis probably mean the true figure is more like 1°C. Try as it might, the Met Office cannot get anywhere near 1.6°C. Its imaginative 20-year average from 2015-2034 that cherry picks a strong El Niño spike in 2015 and estimates/invents temperature figures going forward a decade can only get to warming of 1.4°C.

Perhaps one day More or Less can get around to investigating the moveable feast that is global temperature calculation. Good luck on that one –  there are more fiddles in this particular branch of climate science than can be found at the Come all ye Fiddlers Night at the Fiddlers Arms in Fiddlington-on-Sea.

More or Less has past form in listening reverently to activists cherry-picking data to push a narrative. In 2024, a short World Service edition noted that the Daily Sceptic had reported sea ice in the Arctic had soared to its highest extent for 21 years on January 8th of that year. A claim of “cherry-picking” appeared even though the rest of the article considered the short and long-term trends. The BBC consulted Professor Julienne Stroeve, an ‘Earth Scientist’ from UCL, who noted that the long-term decline from 1979 was easy to see. Just as easy to see was the flatlining of the sea ice extent over the last 20 years. In fact, using a four-year average, the trend has been slightly upwards over the last few years. Perish reporting the thought that 1979 was an obvious cyclical high, with lower sea ice in the decades before. Ignoring or downplaying all this plays into a favoured narrative, peddled by everyone from Al Gore to David Attenborough, that the summer sea ice is about to disappear in the northern polar regions.

If More or Less is going to brave the politically treacherous waters of climate change science, it needs to up its game, start examining all the data and stop giving an easy, unquestioning ride to those with an obvious Net Zero fantasy narrative to promote.

Chris Morrison is the Daily Sceptic’s Environment Editor. Follow him on X.

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Tonka Fairy
2 months ago

Another good article, thanks Chris.

Yet more outright lying from the Establishment.

I am currently working in Aberdeen, with lads from across the UK and Europe. We are all laughing at this scaremongering from our various governments and MSM.

“Oh my god, it’s cold and snowy in north west Europe in January! Hold the front page!”

FFS.

Jack the dog
Jack the dog
2 months ago

Professor Friederike Otto is a very naughty girl and deserves to be punished.

soundofreason
soundofreason
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack the dog

That is a bit weird.

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 months ago
Reply to  soundofreason

Like the climate

soundofreason
soundofreason
2 months ago

Unlike the climate

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 months ago
Reply to  soundofreason

Well, quite. She is a bit weird tho

Art Simtotic
2 months ago

Otto claimed that the scientists were not operating in “good faith…”

…Pot calling kettle black on behalf of noddy voodoo science, specialised in compressing the axes, cherry picking the start point, and drawing the asymptote off the graph at the most expedient point in the narrowest window of geological time.

Another state-sponsored charlatan.

soundofreason
soundofreason
2 months ago
Reply to  Art Simtotic

Otto claimed that the scientists were not operating in “good faith…”

Surely this suggests that they had some undeclared motive in writing the paper? I have not read the paper in question but does it seek to study whether or not weather is becoming more extreme? I see nothing ‘bad faith’ about that.

However, inventing a pseudo-scientific modelling scheme with a view to bringing environmental court cases… Now that’s not operating in good faith.

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 months ago

Again, the Net Zero Nutters throwing averages about as if they are something more than mere mathematical functions applied to highly questionable data.

EppingBlogger
2 months ago

We know the bulk of Met Office weather stations are unable to make reliable temperature readings and that many are influenced by UHI factors.

Do we know if they are any better measuring rainfall. If not the entire debate is moot.

LadbrokeGrove
LadbrokeGrove
2 months ago
Reply to  EppingBlogger

To say nothing of the ‘measurements’ which are actually ‘interpolations’ but the Met Office can’t identify the points which are used in those calculations….the numbers sound made-up to me?

Gezza England
Gezza England
2 months ago
Reply to  EppingBlogger

Surprisingly, no. They now use automated raingauges which are located at the top of hills that are acknowledged as receiving more rainfall which presumably is what they want to record.

kev
kev
2 months ago

Otto’s bonkers claim that “every time it rains now, it rains more than it would have without climate change”

I would love to see the empirical data that proves that piece of BS!

But its also impossible to prove the Null Hypothesis.

Also, if it is anecdotally correct, that may be due to the Hunga Tonga volcano eruption in 2023 was it?

varmint
2 months ago
Reply to  kev

It is easy to fool the public into thinking everything is getting worse because the climate in the UK is and always has been extremely variable. I can remember my Grandmother way back in the seventies talking about how “We get all seasons in the one day”—–Nothing has changed much, and infact that is what the climate always does—CHANGE. What would be really unusual woud be if it didn’t change. Because then we would really have a problem.

varmint
2 months ago

Every time it rains it rains
Pennies for Scammers
Don’t you know each cloud contains
How the public get hammered

You’ll find your fortune falling
In every cup
Be sure to spot your bills
How they only keep going up

Trade this for a package of
Fossil fuels and hot showers
If you want the things you love
You must have POWER

So when you hear the fraudsters
tell them to go plant a tree
There’ll be pennies from heaven
For you and me.

JXB
JXB
2 months ago

“… “every time it rains now, it rains more than it would have without climate change”.”

Climate is a retrospective mathematical calculation which averages meteorological data analysed over a long period.

Climate change is the slope of a graph plotted from that analysis.

Climate and climate change are not tangible phenomena, they are derivations and therefore cannot be causal. They do not exist in fact. Ever seen climate or watched it change? Has “bad climate” ever stopped play at Lords?

Saying that climate change causes this weather or that weather is like saying wet pavements cause rain.



Covid-1984
Covid-1984
2 months ago
Reply to  JXB

Even Greta the Goblin has given up on this nonsense 🙄

Old Arellian
Old Arellian
2 months ago

The Come all ye Fiddlers Night at the Fiddlers Arms in Fiddlington-on-Sea! Where can I get a ticket?

zebedee
zebedee
2 months ago

If I remember correctly Tim Harford had some dodgy views on Covid-19 as well.

lulu-b45
lulu-b45
2 months ago

I really don’t understand the problem. If humans are the problem, and it is self evident that said humans cannot control climate ,then the answer is obvious – reduce the number of humans. This can be done by general culling, or on a selective basis, starting with the pedlars of climate lies. Easy as.

RTSC
RTSC
2 months ago

It sounds that More or Less ISN’T worth a listen.

I wouldn’t know, since I don’t listen to anything on Radio 4 now.

Just Stop it Now
2 months ago

Tim Harford is unbearably smug

tone
tone
2 months ago

Harford is simply a standard BBC dogmatist in scientistic clothing. For example, his broadcasts on Covid vaccines and Ivermectin were utterly deceitful.

cogbill
cogbill
2 months ago

Assuming that the climate is changing, using unreliable/questionable data, we then have the question of – to what extent is man made CO2 causing this? Incredible we have a trillion dollar global policy response that can’t even get passed the first question.