Labour Has Gone Beyond Lying to Bullshitting

Not quite 18 months ago Labour was elected to office having promised “a return to the foundations of good government, national security, secure borders and economic stability”. As he entered Downing Street the Head of Chambers new Prime Minister told us that he would “tread more lightly” on our lives.

It has achieved these things – the return of stability while treading more lightly on our lives – in eccentric ways. Here’s a few of them (by no means exhaustive): the introduction of randomised policing; the cancellation of elections; the effective dissolution of the national borders; the introduction of de facto infanticide; the bewildering surrender of overseas territories (with the twist that we seem to be both buyer and vendor at the same time); the immiserating amplification of cultish environmentalism; the fetishistic regulation of speech; and the criminalisation of silent prayer in public, although only in those places where it is most needed.

Its most recent contribution to the spiritual health of the nation? The proposal that childhood in all its innocence, enchantments and bafflements can be in some circumstances an opportunity for irreversible medical experimentation.

This is not really what most of us were expecting. For some, the thing to focus on here is the lying. To me that seems a bit odd. If a husband tells his wife that he missed dinner because of traffic, when in fact he was out murdering a sex worker, I’m not sure that the lie is the worst thing going on in that situation.

It is true that lying is morally wrong, more so with some lies than with others. St Augustine gives the unimprovable analysis in his sermon De Mendacio. A lie, to count as such, must be a deliberate attempt to mislead. And a lie can never be justified since God is truth, and it can never be morally right to say that the world is not as He has willed it to be, when you know that this is what you are doing.

You shouldn’t even lie to bring about something good, or to avoid something bad. Why? Because lying corrupts the soul, and the tedious formulations of moral relativism or utilitarianism are inapplicable to the deeper truths of spiritual physics.

But all that is by-the-by when talking about this Government, which isn’t so much composed of liars as bullshitters. And in some ways bullshitting is worse than lying.

This distinction – between lying and bullshitting – is codified by the philosopher Harry Frankfurt in a bracing monologue written decades ago (i.e., pre-X) called On Bullshit (I suppose it could hardly have been called anything else). In his analysis it amounts to something like the following.  

When we lie we are knowingly asserting that what is false is true (or vice versa) but when we bullshit we aren’t concerned about whether what we say is true or false, so much as by whether in saying it we convey a certain impression of ourselves, or somehow get what we want. The ‘language games’ of lying versus bullshitting have very different grammars – the former involves falsity, the latter fakery.

At some point over the last 18 months, or perhaps incrementally, I suspect that the Government moved from lying to bullshitting without giving fair warning. We thought we were playing football then it began to play rugby, and since it has the ball on loan until 2029 there isn’t much we can do about it.

Bullshitting is worse, then, because unlike lying it is not conceptually attached to truth. The bullshitter will say that he very much is concerned with truth but that’s part of the schtick. He may accidentally or expediently say something true, but never sincerely. Frankfurt puts it as follows:

The fact about himself that the bullshitter hides… is that the truth-values of his statement are of no central interest to him; what we are not to understand is that his intention is neither to report the truth nor to conceal it.

Another reason why bullshitting is worse than lying, and I think we are seeing this in the extraordinary shambles following the Reeves budget, is that it sends you mad. This is partly because when you drop all concern for truth you become, in the literal sense, incorrigible. The normal mechanisms of correction cease to be effective. You start to believe in your own bullshit, which is as good a definition of insanity as most of us need.

If you wonder why it is that these people seem genuinely affronted when confronted then there’s your answer. They’ve driven themselves mad.

“Why are you going on about handball? We were always playing rugby. We were quite clear on that.”

A sexual analogy might help. Think of lying as being like a one-night stand, a very occasional fling. Not good, morally speaking, but not likely to engender spiritual crisis if you only get lucky from time to time. Bullshitting, in this analogy, is more like unfettered promiscuity – a habit which leads to genuine spiritual illness.

Looked at like that, we have a Government of nymphomaniacs. Apologies for that image.

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Mogwai
3 months ago

When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” Thomas Sowell

I think an honest politician is as rare as hen’s teeth. Both Labour and the Tories have provided us with more than sufficient proof of this. I like what certain politicians have to say, but this is when they’re not in government. I think the ultimate test of authenticity and trustworthiness is if a politician can walk the walk and implement all the things they’ve either promised or stated that they’d like to change. Otherwise it’s all pie in the sky and you’re nothing more than a bullshit artist with an appealing sales pitch.

JXB
JXB
3 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

My observation is: whenever there may be a decent politician, he/she never rises to Government level, and/or gives up politics after two or three years.

This is true of most constipated organisations: the good leave if they can or get ground down and comply for a quiet life if they can’t, the dross remains, the standard becomes mediocrity which few achieve.

huxleypiggles
3 months ago
Reply to  JXB

The Civil Service to a T.

Jeff Chambers
Jeff Chambers
3 months ago

One of the reasons the Party of Anglophobes and Anti-Whitists likes bullshitting and lying is that since it intends to expunge us from our country, and to replace us with the vibrant “Wonderful People”, vomit-spewers like Starmer are no longer concerned with what we think or believe. Fundamentally, he and his ilk no longer care about us to any degree.

JAMSTER
JAMSTER
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Chambers

Correct; this is the crux of the matter — they genuinely don’t give a shit whether what they say is true/correct or not and they certainly don’t give a shit about whether we realise that or not. They couldn’t care less if we prove to them (and the world) that they have been deliberately lying through their teeth. It is of zero consequence to them, as they are the ones In Power and there’s absolutely nothing we can do about it. We, the people, and our wishes are of no interest to them whatsoever.

JXB
JXB
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Chambers

Party of Anglophobes and Anti-Whitists”

The Far-Shyte?

Free Lemming
3 months ago

I still think that’s an incredibly charitable explanation. The more likely explanation, I believe, is that they know they’re lying and gaslighting the people, and they know that the people know, but they just don’t care. In fact, they’re getting some twisted pleasure from tormenting the people that they despise so much – the lesser mortals of the general public. They see us animals to be herded and regularly jabbed with cattle prods to keep us in line. And we let them do it.

AynRandyAndy
3 months ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Wasn’t that exactly the MO of the Communist Party in Soviet Russia?

“We’re lying to you, you know we’re lying to you, but there’s sod all you can do about it, serf.”

Jack the dog
Jack the dog
3 months ago
Reply to  AynRandyAndy

Very true and that’s the nub of it.

Hester
Hester
3 months ago

summarise their “bull” and it boils down to a Government with a predilection for child abuse , both Se@@al and infanticide.
Then there is the love of death in the state sponsored killing Bill, the support for islamism in all its wicked forms. the hatred of the Jewish people, the hatred of the white British person.
There is no other word to describe this Government apart from Satanic its support and veneration of the death cultists, and the spoiling of innocence.
Face it we are now ruled by the dammed

Angelcake
Angelcake
3 months ago
Reply to  Hester

I spoke to a leftist in the summer (I do not normally converse with them). He accepted that the English are being replaced and expressed he didn’t care as he would be dead by then. He was only discomforted when I told him that this was what Richard Tice said. It is truly a death cult as how else can you describe a mindset that is happy to accept the erasure of your own tribe.

JXB
JXB
3 months ago

Bullshitting is worse, then, because unlike lying it is not conceptually attached to truth.”

The truth is empirically provable, and anything provable can be tested and falsified to determine it’s not the truth.

Bullshitting is not empirically provable, so cannot be falsified. For example: the climate change bullshit of future catastrophe, diversity/multiculturalism is our strength, without immigrants the NHS would collapse. (Although suggesting the NHS could collapse is teasing rather than bullshitting – yes please when!), the existence of the ubiquitous but invisible Far Right.

The current round of political bullshitting is actually a clear statement of contempt – they just don’t care.

Moral Hazard: when anyone knows there can be no adverse consequence to them for their behaviour or actions, there is no restraining or limiting factor which would stay their hand or modify their actions.

That describes Government, its politicians and civil servants. And each time they suffer no adverse consequences for what they have done, the more confident they become that they can do whatever they like.

Ballot boxes are not the solution.

Hound of Heaven
Hound of Heaven
3 months ago
Reply to  JXB

Since accountability to the public in the areas you mention no longer exists in any meaningful way, there is no authority to impose it and no solution is possible. Or to put it another way, that ship has sailed. I actually have a communication from my District Council stating that it is for the Council, not the Planning Inspectorate to decide how to act on Appeal Decisions and the Council is under no obligation to prosecute breaches of the law if it decides not to. At this point apathy on a grand scale sets in.

Claphamanian
Claphamanian
3 months ago

Wait until the Referee decides that the game of rugby has extra time of a length that will reviewed five minutes before it is supposed to end.

transmissionofflame
3 months ago

Very well put. Surely most politicians and “leaders” have bullshitted since time immemorial though. This lot do appear particularly bad, but the Fake Conservatives were not much better.

Purpleone
3 months ago

I think we tend to get the politicians we deserve – why tell the truth or admit you made a mistake, or need to change course in light of new information, if you will get witch hunted for it by the press, social media until you leave? That’s about as unsafe a psychological environment you can create, no wonder it drives crap results…

transmissionofflame
3 months ago
Reply to  Purpleone

I partially agree. I think the problem starts earlier than “witch hunts” by the press (where were the press witch hunting them when we needed it during “covid”?). I think the problem is the culture of unrealistic expectations. A lot of people have grown used to the idea that the state can or should solve all their problems, and get upset when this doesn’t happen. So politicians promise things they know they can’t deliver otherwise they don’t get elected. If a politician said “we will do the basics efficiently, but whether this country and you personally prosper is really up to the effort and ingenuity you lot show” then few would vote them.

Purpleone
3 months ago

That’s a great point – I’m firmly in the small state / leave me alone to sort myself out bucket, however I know many others are fully signed up to the cult of ‘safetyism’ and not wanting to have to think for themselves.

Mission / scope creep is a very real thing in governments the world over… the link between ‘I want x’ and ‘I’m ok to pay for x’ is seriously broken

transmissionofflame
3 months ago
Reply to  Purpleone

The alternative is to go back to some not-completely-democratic form of government that people largely have to put up with, and hope that the people running it are not awful tyrants or completely useless. But as long as we have our current form of “democracy” and the government has more or less unlimited powers, lots of people will keep voting for “free stuff”, possibly until there is some catastrophic collapse that wakes them up.

Western Firebrand
Western Firebrand
3 months ago

I’d suggest that their prone-ness to deceit is from trying to walk a delicate balance between keeping enough “party faithful” onside, so as to continue to appear to hold the reins of power, whilst having to appease their handlers – the globalists, moneyed sponsors and general sediment that lurks in the bottom of the think-tanks and focus groups from whom all these strange and unpresentable policies find their root.

Mark Splane
Mark Splane
3 months ago

Perhaps a good place for a reminder of the famous Hannah Arendt quotation:

The result of a consistent and total substitution of lies for factual truth is not that the lie will now be accepted as truth, and truth be defamed as lie, but that the sense by which we take our bearings in the real world – and the category of truth versus falsehood is among the mental means to this end – is being destroyed.

Hound of Heaven
Hound of Heaven
3 months ago
Reply to  Mark Splane

This is the great apathy I refer to in my previous post. When was it agreed that the law be discarded for the sake of “expediency”, as bureaucracy calls it? Everything I experienced happened with my MP, then a Minister, copied in. She advised me to keep complaining….

Westfieldmike
Westfieldmike
3 months ago

He promised a ‘light touch on the people’. I can feel his jackboot on my neck.

Peter Sutton
Peter Sutton
3 months ago

This government does bullshit incessantly but to be fair, looking at the collection of dribbling cretins that make up the cabinet, the most worrying thing is the astonishingly low level of intelligence among the voting public that elected them.

jsampson45
jsampson45
3 months ago
Reply to  Peter Sutton

And the low level of support by which they were elected. 20%? Out of what alternatives?

shred
shred
3 months ago

The list of achievements missed the taxation and regulation of the entertainment industry, farming and the private housing rental sector to the point of destruction.

Angelcake
Angelcake
3 months ago

Nothing ever happens except the liberal noose gets tighter around the necks of taxpaying natives. I really can’t express how sick of it I am.

Jeremy17
Jeremy17
3 months ago

I think we could write this article for much of the Western politicians.
Macron, Albansese, Tusk, Mertz etc.
Even more proof they are Quislings of something bigger……
No longer a conspiracy theory.

Atomies
Atomies
3 months ago

Frankfurt says:

No one in his right mind would rely on a builder, or submit to the care of a physician, who does not care about the truth.

But we rely on politicians to run the country…

Bullshit is even worse than the “no debate” position, which at least recognizes – and fears – the truth. In fact, it loves debate, of the bad faith kind, which is why anyone trying to argue in good faith with a bullshitter will come away covered in the stuff.

JeremyP99
3 months ago

As he entered Downing Street the Head of Chambers new Prime Minister told us that he would “tread more lightly” on our lives.”

The personality disordered believe everything that comes out of their mouths.

This, less than two months after the election…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/09/24/state-will-take-back-control-of-peoples-lives-says-starmer/

Starmer of course believes we are there to serve the state.

Not the other way round…

L’État, c’est moi  in other words,,,