Kemi Badenoch Urges “Common Sense” After No 10 Backs Calls for People to Wear Face Masks in Public Amid “Tidal Wave” of Superflu Cases

As flu cases rise across the UK, Kemi Badenoch has dismissed calls for face masks to return. The Mail has more.

Daniel Elkeles, Chief Executive of NHS Providers, which represents trusts, said it was vital for workers to “stop the chances of you giving your virus to somebody else”.

He urged people to “get back into the habit” formed during the COVID-19 pandemic of wearing a mask when in public spaces – and even in the office if they have a cold.

Mandatory mask rules have been imposed over recent weeks in parts of hospitals in London, Lincolnshire, Shropshire and Oxfordshire amid alarm at infection numbers.

Downing Street said wearing a mask to prevent the spread of respiratory illness was “something people can consider” – but Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch branded them a “barrier to social interaction” and told the Government not to mandate them. …

A “drifted” influenza A(H3N2) strain, also now known as ‘subclade K’ or ‘super flu’, is dominating cases and health leaders have warned the flu season started “unusually early” this year – while virology experts are leading growing calls for mask wearing.

It comes after the UK Health Security Agency said last week that “masks continue to be a useful tool in limiting the spread of respiratory viruses in some situations”.

Sir Keir Starmer with NHS Providers Chief Executive Daniel Elkeles in London, October 2024

Mr Elkeles suggested today that the UK should get back to the habits of the pandemic-era, telling Times Radio: “When you were talking about anything like Covid, I think we need to get back into the habit that if you are coughing and sneezing, but you’re not unwell enough to not go to work, then you must wear a mask when you’re in public spaces, including on public transport to stop the chances of you giving your virus to somebody else.

“And we were all very good about infection control during Covid. And we really, really need to get back to that now.” …

He told people to “sit up and listen”, adding that there was a need to have “a proper conversation with the public about, how do we take collective responsibility for trying to get the NHS out of this annual, very difficult few weeks.” …

Dr Andy Whittamore, Clinical Lead at the charity Asthma and Lung UK, said people with lung diseases should “consider wearing a face mask in crowded or indoor spaces to reduce their chance of catching flu”. …

And the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) wrote in a blog last week: “Wearing a well-fitting mask when unwell can reduce the number of particles containing viruses that are released from the mouth and nose of someone who is infected with a respiratory infection.”

Some hospitals in recent days have also urged staff or visitors to wear masks, including in A&E, as they deal with high cases of flu.

Speaking on Sky News, Tory leader Kemi Badenoch was asked about whether people should wear masks.

She said: “I’m still slightly traumatised by all the mask wearing that we had to do during Covid.

“Let’s bring some common sense into this. I personally think that face coverings can be a barrier to social interaction, social cohesion and I do worry about a mask mandate.

“I don’t think the Government should be mandating anything.

“Let’s have some common sense. I think people can make up their own minds. If you are really sick, it should be in bed. It should not be on public transport. I think that’s more of a problem.

“But the truth is, many people are contagious before they realise that they’re even ill. So I’m not sure that it would work.”

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DickieA
DickieA
4 months ago

I’m with Kemi and against masks returning; however, if government ministers are so convinced that they work, I’d be fully supportive of high “100%” efficiency masks for the entire labour front bench. A whole head covering comprising a Tesco plastic carrier bag held in place with tight fitting bungee cord should do the trick.

Marcus Aurelius knew
4 months ago
Reply to  DickieA

Statements like that got me kicked off twitter.

varmint
4 months ago

I am surprised Musk would allow that. Were you encouraging violence against politicians or just calling them buffoons, idiots, morons etc etc

CrisBCTnew
4 months ago
Reply to  varmint

Twitter when it was twitter, it’s now owned by Musk and is renamed X.

Peter Sutton
Peter Sutton
4 months ago
Reply to  varmint

If you look at the actual stats you will find that “Musk’s” X takes down or shadow bans far more posts that Twitter ever did.

Please don’t fall for the “Musk myth” because he’s nothing but a poster boy for a much bigger operation. Also look up X CEO Linda Yaccarino, you’ll be surprised given Musk’s claim to be a “free speech absolutist”.

varmint
4 months ago
Reply to  Peter Sutton

That is why I am surprised, because it claims to be a Fee Speech platform. But although I am a free speech absolutist I don’t think it can be the case that you can expect a Social Media Platform to allow verbal abuse etc etc.
It isn’t allowed on the Daily Sceptic or Toby’s other site, so we cannot really criticise Musk for the same thing. ———But Marcus Aurelius Knew has still not revealed what was said that got him banned.

Marcus Aurelius knew
3 months ago
Reply to  Peter Sutton

Thank you, Peter Sutton, finally someone who gets it.

Marcus Aurelius knew
3 months ago
Reply to  varmint

I have not been a fan of Musk since I first heard of him in 2008. I was blocked on twitter for suggesting that if people really thought their breath was so dangerous then they should put a plastic bag on their heads to protect everyone from it. This was before Musk bought Twitter. Musk bought Twitter to silence the people (like me) who were using twitter to expose the enormous fraud which was (and still is) happening at Tesla.

huxleypiggles
4 months ago
Reply to  DickieA

Eminently sensible 👌

Epi
Epi
4 months ago
Reply to  DickieA

Yep I’d go along with that.👍

transmissionofflame
4 months ago

Looking forward to seeing exactly how many utterly hopeless cases there are among us.

The “flu vaccines” are working well then.

Hound of Heaven
Hound of Heaven
4 months ago

Heard two days ago on BBC Radio 4 World at One from a ‘medical expert’, “We know the flu vaccine works”. Let’s consider that for a moment or maybe go and do something useful instead.

Epi
Epi
4 months ago

Well they do work for the pharmaceutical companies thank you very much. Another gift that keeps on giving.

Valerie_London
Valerie_London
4 months ago

At least she had the courage to voice what many of us feel about masks. She’s got a long way to go, but it’s a start.

transmissionofflame
4 months ago
Reply to  Valerie_London

Courage? Well, where was her courage when it mattered? What would take more courage is for her to say sorry, express contrition and explain what really happened during “covid” and why it was all a load of bollocks. I am waiting for her apology. Until then, she can shut her cakehole.
Kim late of these parts, lover of freedom, staunch covid sceptic and cafe proprietor, is in her constituency and has had dealings, never liked the cut of her jib. I would trust Kim’s judgement on this.
Anyway it’s not so much what we feel as what all the evidence points to – masks are useless and screw you and society up in myriad ways. The Science.

NeilofWatford
4 months ago

There wasn’t a single study that proved masks had any effect on the control of respiratory diseases before, during or after Covid.
Or did I dream that ?
I shall not comply and will cancel any medical appointments that demand one, and withdraw my custom from any vendor.

MajorMajor
MajorMajor
4 months ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

No, of course they are not effective medically, but that’s not their purpose anyway.
They are worn for two reasons:
1.) To create a sense of crisis and danger.
This is essential in the post modern society. The population must be scared so that the government can step in and impose special measures.
2.) Virtue signaling: the message is “I’m wearing a mask because I am such s caring person. Nice, caring people wear a mask. Nasty, despicable people don’t wear a mask.”

Mark Splane
Mark Splane
4 months ago
Reply to  MajorMajor

It’s clear from the Lockdown Files and other sources that the government always knew full well that masks were useless for their ostensible purpose of controlling the virus and that their true function was to control the population. But I think there were other factors besides those you list:-
3) The government’s strategy, such as it was, relied upon people seeing others as vectors for disease; as bio-hazards. In order to do this, it was necessary to stop seeing them as people. The powerful dehumanizing effect of masking facilitated the cruel, callous treatment of others the strategy demanded.
4) The symbolic effect went beyond virtue signalling, important though that was. Once the government had created the Illusion of Control, it became necessary to create an out-group to be scapegoated for governmental failure to achieve the impossible. “If everyone wore a mask…” Later on “The Unvaccinated” came to serve this role. “If everyone took the vaccine…”

Jeff Chambers
Jeff Chambers
4 months ago

Thank heavens I’ve still got my “I am exempt from wearing face covering” that I downloaded during the last “pandemic” social-control scam.

MajorMajor
MajorMajor
4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Chambers

Yeah, I think I still have that sunflower lanyard somewhere in a drawer. It worked like magic last time.

Epi
Epi
4 months ago
Reply to  MajorMajor

Don’t wear anything you don’t need to prove you’re exempt and neither do you need to put a stupid sign on yourself to say so. As the ridiculous sign on lavatories for the disabled says “Not all disabilities are visible”. Take advantage of it!

Pembroke
Pembroke
4 months ago
Reply to  Epi

Yep. buy a RADAR key off Amazon and use it on all the free toilets around rather than having to pay for public toilets.

Just Stop it Now
4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Chambers

In my view that is simply playing their game

Epi
Epi
4 months ago

Correct

transmissionofflame
4 months ago

Don’t remember Badenoch saying anything like this during Covid. Unlike
Sir Desmond Swayne and others she didn’t vote against any of the Covid measures. She didn’t vote against mandatory vaccination for care home workers. So as far as I am concerned she should shut her trap

Boomer Bloke
4 months ago

Choosing my words carefully here. They can p#uqu€ right off.

Art Simtotic
4 months ago

From the archives:

Coronavirus: Face masks could increase risk of infection, medical chief warns…

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-face-masks-increase-risk-infection-doctor-jenny-harries-a9396811.html

“…For the average member of the public walking down a street, it is not a good idea.”

Dr J Harries, Deputy Chief Medical Officer, 12th March 2020.

If memory serves right, mask mandates coincided with rebranding Public Health as Health Security, with the future Dame Harries becoming Head of UKHSA.

Resist the Health Security goons.

Epi
Epi
4 months ago
Reply to  Art Simtotic

RESIST, DEFY, DO NOT COMPLY!!!!

John Kitchen
John Kitchen
4 months ago

The lies are coming thick and fast now. “Super-flu” is here, a “new variety” of monkeypox (moneypox) was in the news just recently, and I’m sure they will roll out “bird flu spreads to humans” again any second.

Or they might claim that bird flu is spreading to cattle so mass slaughter must start. Easy way to destroy British farming and start food shortages.

At least this time we know, not just suspect, that we are dealing with a pack of evil liars.

Boomer Bloke
4 months ago
Reply to  John Kitchen

At least they have spent £200 million and counting of taxpayers’ money on a public enquiry into the last bollocks.

DiscoveredJoys
DiscoveredJoys
4 months ago
Reply to  John Kitchen

Perhaps they will give BSE another spin, or perhaps bubonic plague?

Marcus Aurelius knew
4 months ago

Daniel Elkele can go eat sh*t.

Hester
Hester
4 months ago

Fool me once as the saying goes, They can F##k off. NEVER again you do not own me

Oh and BTW those flu shots! they are really working aren’t they

Tyrbiter
Tyrbiter
4 months ago

I see the masking maniacs have all gone off their collective rocker.

Do not comply, ever!

huxleypiggles
4 months ago

UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) wrote in a blog last week: “Wearing a well-fitting mask when unwell can reduce the number of particles containing viruses that are released from the mouth and nose of someone who is infected with a respiratory infection.” “

How does a cheap mask “reduce the number of particles containing viruses that are released from the mouth and nose of someone who is infected with a respiratory infection.”

Are the particles breathed back in to the body or just trapped in the plastic folds for the wearer to enjoy time and again. That’s bloody helpful.

Who the hell writes this crap?

Spiritof_GFawkes
4 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

The statement is more illogical than that IMO. How can he say that something strapped over someone’s face will reduce anything that is released from their nose or mouth? Are the particles going to reach the edge of the orifices in question and say “oops, a mask. I’d better go back inside”. No, they’ll still be ‘released’. Where they go next is a different matter. (Round the sides of the mask, I’d wager).

Peter W
Peter W
4 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

The particles are so small they go straight through the material and the rest goes around the sides.

Epi
Epi
4 months ago
Reply to  Peter W

As I said above (or is it below never know with this site?) sand and supermarket trolleys spring to mind!

Peter W
Peter W
4 months ago
Reply to  Epi

That’s a good one.

JAMSTER
JAMSTER
4 months ago

There is ZERO hard empirical evidence that masks reduce the incidence of infection for ANY upper respiratory tract viral disease. None. Zilch. Ph**k all. DO NOT WEAR A MASK — ever — unless you are medical staff in an operating theatre, where they are worn for a completely different reason. Anyone wearing a mask is part of the problem, not the solution. Trust The Evidence. Heneghan and Jefferson. Cochrane Review. It’s all out there if you wish to find it. I suppose that any numptie wearing a mask should be pitied, rather than condemned, unless they are part of the ‘qualified’ medical community, in which case they should be sectioned for mental derangement.

JohnK
4 months ago
Reply to  JAMSTER

And those used in op theatres or dental surgeries are proper ones, worn only for a short period of time, and discarded. Sometimes for their protection against various objects, along with industrial ones for use with hazardous materials. The gadgets sold by various supermarkets are junk, and labelled as such in tiny markers that no-one reads, unless they’ve got a magnifying glass to hand.

factsnotfiction
4 months ago

“… stop the chances of you giving your virus to somebody else”.

There’s still zero evidence of contagion. People (especially politicians) need to wake up and push back against this pseudo-scientific nonsense. Virology is a religion, not a science.

Viruses do not make people sick, but environmental toxins do… and that includes vaccines. I wonder how many more people will have to needlessly die before they realise?

stewart
4 months ago

I would like to see Farage come out and say mask wearing is pointless in much the same way Badenoch has. But I suspect he won’t. I hope I’m wrong. Could it be that Badenoch is actually the more principled of the two?

RogerB
4 months ago
Reply to  stewart

The Daily Mail says: “Mr Farage, the leader of Reform UK, said: ‘I didn’t wear them last time and I won’t wear them this time. This is nonsense.'”

transmissionofflame
4 months ago
Reply to  stewart

I am waiting for “Kemi” to explain why she didn’t pipe up with her “common sense” during “covid”, when it actually mattered.

Heretic
Heretic
4 months ago
Reply to  stewart

Could it be that Hamish Badenoch’s middle name is Stewart, perchance?
Just wondering…

varmint
4 months ago

If you really have the FLU you won’t need a mask because you won’t be going anywhere. You will be in bed for a fortnight

Alan M
Alan M
4 months ago

It’s just like Putin. Having reached the stage where he sees an acceptance for what he’s done son far, he then wants that little bit more.

Richard
Richard
4 months ago

I thought we proved cloth masks were simply there as a sign of control by the authorities. They certainly don’t stop the spread of germs as we proved during the Scamdemic. So what is really going on?

BevGee
BevGee
4 months ago

My whole family have ‘it’. It’s not ‘flu, it’s a cold. Bad enough to knock you off your feet for a day but it’s not ‘flu. Use nasal spray, take loads of tissues and get outside.

transmissionofflame
4 months ago
Reply to  BevGee

“get outside” – 100% agree unless you are really struggling I find getting outside always helps. And lots of fluids help me – water or herbal tea.

coviture2020
coviture2020
4 months ago

Elkeles must think masks work?

JXB
JXB
4 months ago
Reply to  coviture2020

The body’s immune system uses nasal discharge, sneezing, coughing to expel viruses before they can invade cells and reproduce, and to expel viruses that have reproduced and broken out of the cells before they invade other cells. This couple with exhalation reduces the viral load and makes, the response more effective and quicker.

If masks did work, this would cause the viral load to build and cause a more severe and longer lasting dose of the disease.

Infection by a small viral load prompts the immune system to produce the necessary antibodies ready to deal with a larger viral load.

Odd isn’t it? Vaccination is specifically intended to introduce the virus in a manageable dose to prompt the immune response to deal with infections. Breathing in a few viruses is natural “vaccination” and the more people who are “vaccinated” in this way – so-called community immunity – the better.

Peter W
Peter W
4 months ago

“virology experts are leading growing calls for mask wearing.”
In that case they are NOT experts but ignorant!

Epi
Epi
4 months ago
Reply to  Peter W

And mad.

Epi
Epi
4 months ago

Hello here we go again,control control control. Well I say no no no. Sand and supermarket trolleys spring to mind.

ComradeSvelte
ComradeSvelte
4 months ago

Donkeys leading sheep….

RW
RW
4 months ago

The people behind this should really stop claiming that there’s something like “super flu” when we’re plainly just living through an ordinary and so-far, pretty mild “winter season”. We’ve evolved on this planet and lived on it for hundredthousands of years. We’ve encountered all bugs already.

Aliens with incompatible and deficient immune systems might want to consider returning to their planet of origin instead.

Peter Sutton
Peter Sutton
4 months ago

Looks like Starmer is setting us up for another scamdemic people, please don’t fall for his lies again.

JXB
JXB
4 months ago

Mask do not stop transmission of respiratory viruses.

David101
4 months ago

For the very reason that surgical masks have been proven systematically to be next to useless, the only effect of the mass adoption of mask-wearing will be an INCREASE in the spread of viruses, because people will happily mingle in large groups of masked-up fools in the false confidence that they’re protected!

It’s about as protective against viruses as a knitted sweater is against a bullet.

JXB
JXB
4 months ago
Reply to  David101

Surgical masks were never intended to protect the wearer. They were intended to prevent/reduce bacterial wound infections by droplets carrying bacteria from the surgeon’s nasopharynx onto open wounds during surgical procedures.

About 80% of us have resident colonies of staph and strep bacteria in our airways to which we have developed immunity, but in somebody else’s open wound, they will have no immunity.

Droplets are many times larger than viruses so about 95% can be stopped by masks. Viruses are too small to be stopped, and are not primarily transmitted by droplets but in aerosols.

RW
RW
4 months ago
Reply to  JXB

There are people doing research on the effectiveness of surgical masks in clinical settings who consider them “medicine man totems.”

Mark Splane
Mark Splane
4 months ago
Reply to  JXB

To be accurate, surgeons do wear masks in part to protect themselves. But from spurts of blood, etc. – not airborne viruses.

JXB
JXB
4 months ago

The MRC Common Cold Research Unit was set up in 1949 to understand respiratory viruses with a view to finding vaccines and/or cures. In fact the CCRU discovered the Human coronavirus in the 1960s. It used paid volunteers who were infected with various strains of viruses to study the disease and also try out vaccines and cures.

The unit closed in 1990. Never once in its 40 years of research did it “discover” that masks were effective in preventing transmission, never once did it recommend that masks be worn during the Winter ‘flu season.

Now “experts” have discovered in the last five minutes what the CCRU didn’t despite extensive research in 40 years.

Odd that.

Freddy Boy
4 months ago

Strange but just as Dame Halibut concludes that blowing £200 squillion on her enquiry – that lockdowns should have been “faster & harder” , we are off down the convid route again, with her concluding statement giving so called ministers & media credence to re start the scaremongering !!