Reform Chief’s Outrage After Schools Compare the Party to Nazis in Lessons on Extremism
Reform UK is calling for an investigation after teachers at several top state schools made “inappropriate and slanderous” comparisons between the party and the Nazis. The Mailhas the story.
Richard Tice, Reform’s deputy leader, complained after discovering that staff at the Orion group, which runs eight academy schools in South London, used a picture of him in teaching materials to illustrate “extremism” – defined as activities which “reject British Values”.
The materials also placed Reform to the right of UKIP and next to the BNP and the Nazis at the “fascism” end of an illustration on the Left-wing/Right-wing political spectrum of beliefs.
The secondary school lessons were for pupils in Year 10.
Nigel Farage’s party, which enjoys a commanding lead in the opinion polls, has received increasing reports of Left-wing teachers characterising Reform supporters as ‘fascists‘ in classrooms across the country. …
The “extremism” section – next to the picture of Mr Tice – defines it as “activities that reject British Values like mutual respect, are fully intolerant toward others, reject democracy as a means of governance or reject the existing social order”.
Next to this, it describes Reform UK as “a Right-wing political party who are rising in popularity, who want stricter immigration, deportation of illegal migrants, tax cuts, anti-EU regulations, UK sovereignty and traditional education policies”.
After saying “far-Right beliefs can damage communities, increase hate crime and even threaten democracy”, the lessons describe “the role of the media” as “one of the main concerns”, stating: “Newspapers such as the Daily Mail and the Sun often publish dramatic headlines about immigration, especially about ‘small boat crossings’ in the English Channel.
“These stories sometimes use words like ‘flood’ or ‘invasion’, making migrants sound like a threat.
“This type of reporting can make people feel afraid or angry, which far-Right groups then use to support their arguments.”
And under a section entitled “How can we stay safe online?”, it says: “Use trusted sites like the BBC, the Guardian… instead of sites like the Sun, random blogs or YouTube channels.”
The whole education sector needs to be reminded of the law about fair and balanced teaching and that must be enforced. It appears criminal offences have been committed.
The misrepresentation of BBC is as damaging as the treatment of Reform.
One wonders what lies these schools teach children about net zero and Israel.
“Values like mutual respect, are fully intolerant towards others, reject democracy as a means of governance”
That perfectly describes Labour postponing elections, and Labour’s labelling of anyone with a different point of view as Far Right.
If only the teachers could point out this irony to their students.
The red colour of our posters already drew them [factory workers] into our gatherings. Ordinary citizens were shocked that we were also using the red of the Bolshevists and regarded this as something very suspicious. Deutschnationale¹ were always whispering to each other that we were possibly just some kind of Marxists or Socialists.
[…]
We’ve intentionally chosen red for our posters to provoke the left and to cause its adherents to come to our public gatherings, if only to break them up, so that we had a chance to talk to these people.
[Hitler, Mein Kampf, p. 541 – 542]
The translation is unfortunately rather woody but it’s essentially impossible to render Hitler’s style in English or at least, impossible for me.
¹ German nationalists, but not meant as generic term but as adherents of the DNVP, the German Nationalist People’s Party², the reactionary monarchists.
² Cue the anarchist: They’re a people’s party! Clearly, they must have been far left socialists!
The economic and social cannot be separated from Socialism, Fascism and National Socialism as they are totalitarian, collectivist ideologies outside of which no human or spiritual values can exist, so they are a unit inclusive of all values which determine and dictate how the people must live their lives, and within a centrally planned and controlled economy. Far Right (if we understand its logical definition as being the diametric opposite on the ideological spectrum) – allows a free society of individual development, with shared morals and values, manners and Common Law, by consent, with individuals free to undertake free market economic activity for their own benefit. We haven’t had Far Right probably since the latter part of the 19th Century when central government started to intrude in people’s lives, introduced income tax which has resulted in a political class which increasingly likes economic and social control, but not to the extremes of the Far Left… yet… but the current Labour Government is moving in that direction. The move Left – State control – is introduced and entrenched by war. In wartime Government has the excuse to take control of all aspects of society and economy “for the war effort”, this… Read more »
The left/ right division in politics goes back to the national assembly of revolutionary France where the members who wanted to keep a constitutional monarchy sat on the right and those who wanted a democratic republic on the left. Anarchists from loony sphere were not represented.
You let yourself down when you label people who don’t like collectivism and want to live under the least amount of state control as possible “anarchists from loony sphere”.
Collectivism is a fantasy term which really refers to the way human society has organized itself since seriously ancient times, presumably since before writing was invented and certainly since then. If you don’t like that, remove yourself from it — problem solved. You’ll then of course have no running water, no electricity, no shops where you can buy food and no protection against whoever might take a certain liking to something you believe to be your own but these are all issues which can be solved or worked around.
So, when do you plan to start living from subsistence agriculture in some remote area without other people?
Switzerland was originally a part of Austria but the people eventually revolted against rule by Austrian aristocrats and established an independent democratic republic. This would mark the people instrumental in this as “politically left.”
Thank you for responding. The problem is: Are you saying that “an independent democratic republic” is “politically left”? Does this mean that the Pericles model of government was socialism? Which is the reason for my question in the first place, my belief that Switzerland is the only democratic place in the West and most certainly not in the slightest “Leftist”.
Just because you don’t understand it – and you clearly don’t given your barely coherent ramble – doesn’t mean it’s a “fantasy term”
Collectivism involves prioritising the group over the individual. It relates to the process of sacrificing personal freedom for collective action, a sacrifice that the group imposes on individuals.
That is in distinct contrast to free association which is cooperation with others only entered into freely, without coercion.
I wish collectivism was a fantasy, but sadly we suffer it constantly and everywhere in the modern world.
Just that you’re now substituting abuse for arguments doesn’t mean you’re right. Especially not if your statements are outright nonsensical like a sacrifice that the group imposes on individuals. Groups cannot act. Only individuals can. And a sacrifice can’t be imposed on someone because if it’s imposed, it’s not a sacrifice, but just an act of violence of someone against someone else. In certain contexts, sacrifices may be demanded of individuals. The classic example would be soldiers during war supposed to execute orders which might get them killed, possibly perfectly randomly, say, in the case of a messenger who has to cross an area that’s heavily shelled by enemy artillery to deliver an important message. This messenger may possibly sacrifice himself to the cause but that’s always his own decision and making it is usually considered a mark of moral virtue. One should note that there’s no way to coerce the individual soldier in such a situation: If he’s not willing to risk his life to deliver the message, there’s no way to make him do it as there’s no punishment which could be inflicted on him which would cause the message to be delivered. A better definition of what… Read more »
Could be suggesting authoritarian shit is a speculation about a yet unknown future and the same sleight of hand also employed by the Save the climate! faction: Could be suggesting really means will or won’t suggest and as it’s always going to be one of the two, could be suggesting really doesn’t mean anything at all.
There’s also no focus on where somebody sits but just an observation of this: Members of the same party sit together and hence, the location can be used a short-hand reference for the political goals of a party. The original left/ right divide was between the party which wanted to create a republic and the party which wanted to retain the monarchy.
There presumably as many theoretical models of political division as there are political theorists. But this doesn’t really matter because this is not about theory but about propaganda. “Nazi” is a coded allusion to an ultimate evil in our times, pretty much what used to be “machinations of the devil” by the time of the Salem witch trials. Hence, everyone seeking public support for his political pet agenda wants to call the people opposed to it Nazis because this means further political argument isn’t necessary: They’re Nazis, hence, represent an ultimate evil and must by fought “by any means necessary.” Depending on who’s presently seeking to call whom a Nazi, the NSDAP must thus constantly be made to jump from the far right to the far left and back. The propagandists don’t care, anyway, they just want to use the label.
Very true, though just because it’s tricky doesn’t mean the subject should not or cannot be discussed. As it stands with the state of UK schools though I would prefer it not to be discussed.
I agree with that: Schools shouldn’t venture into politics at all and certainly not in such a partisan way. Political theory might be taught as an abstract topic but this certainly shouldn’t include the not-so-covert claim that Reform wants to abolish democracy.
Nobody here is calling anyone but the actual Nazis Nazis.
The Nazis believed in collectivist action directed by an all powerful state. They believed corporations should be instructed by the state to serve the state. Prove me wrong.
Mussolini’s idea of the corporate state was a society organized into incorporated entities cooperating with other incorporated entities to deal with issues transcending the sphere of a single incorporated entity. For instance, unions organizing stikes to force factory owners/ capitalists to bow to some demand of theirs were to be replaced with a national association of factory owners and a national association of factory workers which were to sort out issue affecting both by negotiating which each other to find some mutually beneficial compromise solution without any party trying to force the hand of the other party.
This is precisely no relation to “corporations” in the sense of “businesses.” but since you’ve intentionally chosen to ignore this, no one can “prove you wrong” as you’re simply making up your own terms such that they fit into your own arguments.
The NSDAP was founded as anti-socialist party because Hitler considered socialism as part of the Jewish conspiracy against the German people. Adding socialism to the name was a common marketing trick in the 1920s when everybody called himself a socialist of some kind because everybody needed and wanted supported of the masses of factory workers whose (mostly) justified grievances the real socialists, SPD and KPD, had so far successfully monopolized.
Questions for midwits: a) Assuming you put Papier-mâché wings onto a cow, will it fly? b) Will people about 100 year later point at a picture of this cow and claim that it’s a bird because of these wings? [Answers: a) No, b) Of course]
Answer to your question: As always, the anarchists belong to the far left. Firmly outside of the picture, as they’re even the loony left for the Communists who live in a real world they desire to change and not in some fantasy universe where property magically defends itself without a state enforcing entirely artificial property laws.
No. Hitler was anti-communist because it was a case of two rival gangs fighting for control, just as Mafia families are “anti” each other in a turf fight.
Hitler was a Socialist, and if you check NASDAP policies these were Socialist.
That’s not my spectrum but one which has been commonly employed for over a hundred years, see Hitler quote above which talks about provoking the left.
In my opinion, people who share Marx view of the organisation of the economy as the sole relevant social topic and who share the Communist goal of getting rid of the state as functionally redundant instrument of oppression can rightfully be described as Marxists. At least insofar that’s supposed to mean something beyond Hitler’s idea of it which that it’s a criminal conspiracy by Jews to conquer the world based on toxic Jewish theory create by a Jew (Marx) for this express purpose.
OTOH, I don’t insist on the label. Somewhere on the fringe left were people believe everything must be changed because everything is wrong and they are the people who know how everything should be to become right is precise enough. As committed monarchist, I detest the hybris embedded in this. If it were so simple to get everything right, politics would have ceased to matter because of everything already having been done right centuries ago.
Sadly this is the kind of mindless toxic propagandised nonsense that my guardian reading BBC watching ex teacher and HR friends trot out. I had one claim to be offended when I called the fighting age male dingy invaders just that. Of course he sneered when I told him that I watched GB News and read the DS.
ChrisA
5 months ago
Anyone know how to post images, says the input is too long? its only a re edit of the original article image.
Although I don’t know the numbers off the top, it does have a file size limit. You need to compress down the output so that it fits in.
NickMB
5 months ago
Right and left wing is so outdated and it’s not helpful to class individuals as ‘on the left’ or ‘on the right’. And putting the Lib Dems in the centre – well, that may have been true 30 years ago!!
It is a bit simplistic. RW correctly explains here it’s history that emerged in the French Revolution (La Gauche, La Droite), and of course it is built into the structure of House of Commons – but not that of the seating layout in most Council chambers, or other governments like the Welsh Senedd.
Of course, in the real world there are lots of sub-groups within parties and departments, that end up fighting each other from time to time, with the Chancellor being the top dog.
shred
5 months ago
These Labour supporting teachers have Labour, with its ex?-Marxist magazine editor and international law following leader as a centre party, while the Greens are further left. Now many of their brainwashed pupils and later on university students are switching to the Greens, with Marxist policies. They know that Reform are taking the votes of workers who are losing jobs because of Green and Labour policies and will step up their indoctrination in schools until the election. Labour is intent on gaining the votes of 16 year olds and the Islamic community and closing down independent education and critics of militant Islam in order to gerrymander the election. Only the parents are able to prevent this indoctrination by letting the children know that their teachers are lying subversives.
Steven Robinson
5 months ago
Goebbels, chief propagandist of the Nazi Party, could not himself have outdone these schools. Or for another parallel consider the Hitlerjugend movement.
For years I kept a file on all the lies and fake news from the BBC and The Guardian. It was so extensive that it is too long to post on here. The British Brainwashing Corporation is the state funded propaganda arm of the UK regime. The BBC relies on the UK government junta for its funding by allowing it to tax the population with a license. The license is compulsory, and you will be fined if you don’t have one. The UK government appoints the Director General. Ergo the BBC is “state funded”, part of the UK and Western world “establishment” and is a very poor news media outlet and far from “independent”. If you try to correct their mistakes, they will block you from commenting on their website and on their facebook page. The Guardian only show one side of the story and that is of the establishment corporatists and their Globalist, neoliberal, warmongering propaganda. I used to buy the paper for 35 years and have witnessed its decline. I stopped buying it about 15 years ago and now only comment on their page every time they get something wrong, which is quite often. They are probably the… Read more »
mrbu
5 months ago
Have you noticed how the left wing and right wing arrows are not the same length? What does that say about the political attitudes of the people who created the graphic? By moving the “centre ground” to the left of the centre they’ve distorted the picture and made Reform look as extreme as the Communists.
Fascism under the Swastika is incorrect, Germany was National Socialist, Italy was Fascist.
National Socialism was the specific ideology of Hitler’s Party, extreme nationalism, anti-Semitism, racial purity, and totalitarian control under a Führer, plus aggressive expansionism by military means.
Fascism, originating with Mussolini, was an authoritarian nationalist movement, state supremacy over individuals, corporatism which was the merger of corporate power with government power. There was no aspect of racial purity.
That these two have some similar aspects it because both are rooted in and are evolutions of Marxist-Socialism – Hitler and Mussolini being Socialists – applying Socialism based on national rather than class.
That educationalists not knowing this is no surprise and is a disgrace.
Far Left = empowerment of the State over the individual, collectivism, no property Rights, central economic planning and control.
The polar opposite, Far Right must = sovereign of the individual, individuality, property Rights, free market capitalist economy.
Fascism, originating with Mussolini, was an authoritarian nationalist movement, state supremacy over individuals, corporatism which was the merger of corporate power with government power.
Corporate doesn’t necessarily mean incorporated according to the laws of Delaware but just incorporated. Mussolinis’s idea of the corporate state had nothing to do with corporations as used in modern American English. His inspiration was the guild-based society of the middle-ages and the idea was that each identifiable part of sociery should incorporate itself somehow, eg, factory owners as well as factory workers, and that these incorporated entities should cooperate to resolve practical problems affecting more than one of them, eg, the so-called social question, the rather miserable lot of many factory workers.
However. There can be no corporatism without corporations. Mussolini 1932 Doctrine of Fascism ”Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies and the aspirations of a people… The State is not only a guardian… but a powerful agent of economic development. The Fascist State organises the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential. Corporatism is the economic expression of this unity between State and private initiative.” Government power merged with corporate (big business) power? Corporazione: was a body created in an economic sector involving business, unions, State officials… to serve the interests of the State. Big business, like Fiat, readily participated in order to gain influence, and its economic might was needed by the Fascists. The difference between free-market capitalism and crony capitalism is whether government picks winners via political deals, or lets open competition decide. In the EU model (and the model in most “developed” Countries, particularly the USA – FDR admired Mussolini and his corporatism was the inspiration for the “New Deal”): Private businesses and government officials form mutually beneficial relationships, where: • Government grants favours (subsidies,… Read more »
Reform are a party “who want stricter immigration, deportation of illegal migrants, tax cuts, anti-EU regulations, UK sovereignty and traditional education policies”.
I cannot see anything wrong in plain old commonsense.
Want deportation of illegal migrants would be worded better as: Want that UK immigration law is actually enforced instead of tacitly ignored. The anomal state is the present one and not the other.
Claphamanian
5 months ago
If children are taught in schools what to think rather than how to think, they will turn out as fanatics. Isn’t that extreme?
JDee
5 months ago
The mail is kind of the controlled all over the place opposition, but in the end just as untrustworthy as the BBC and the guardian.
The Mail isn’t 100% onboard with the agenda and hence, it’s a “Nazi publication” to the people whose agenda it is. This is really that gross. To use an example from Germany: The CDU is a left-leaning establishment party which is generally onboard with everything. It’s presently nominally the party governing Germany in a coalition with the junior partner SPD. Friedrich Merz has recently claimed that there would be some problem with the way German cities would present themselves to observers. This was understood as allusion to the common complaint among German that foreign ‘refugees’ are loitering everywhere, that they tend to be noisy, drop litter all over the place and frequently harass women and girls, all of which are well-documented facts. The SPD immediately went ballistic and started to organize Anti-Merz demonstrations during the course of which he was labelled as NPD¹-bastard, likened to Goebbels and generally accused of “Nazi viewpoints” and “Nazi policies.”
The political establishment doesn’t tolerate any opposition, no matter how mild. It’s either “you’re 100% with us on everything from mass immigration to gender self-ID” or “you’re a genocidal Nazi!”
¹ The National Democratic Party of Germany, the oldest and most well-known Neonazi-party
An eminently sensible head teacher on GBNews said he was appalled by the reports of this teaching. His suggestion was that a complaint should go into Ofsted, but that’s like moaning about a rain shower to a thunderstorm. Ofsted are part of the civil service socialist blob and almost certainly are fully in accord with these teaching materials
Gezza England
5 months ago
Trust the BBC? Ironic just as news of them faking Trump footage for Panorama last year has just come out.
graham1
5 months ago
So.. propaganda enforced on Year 10 children who will be voters at the next election. I’m angry myself but if I was Tice I would be blowing a fuse.
Mrs.Croc
5 months ago
That is appalling! And I thought indoctrination only went on in dictatorships.
these schools should be prosecuted on the grounds that they no longer provide education; but brainwashed idiots for the current government.
if I still had school age children, I would definitely be homeschooling.
Covid-1984
5 months ago
These activists disguised as teachers can’t control what mom & Dad say at home. That’s were sensible issues are discussed and not the classroom.
Martin Sewell
5 months ago
‘Left wing’, sensibly defined, means campaigning for egalitarianism and seeking to overthrow the existing ‘elite’ as a means of achieving power. Examples include the French Revolution (the root of all Leftism), Marxism (classic Leftism), Fascism (Marxism without the internationalism) and Nazism (Volksgemeinschaft). Right wing just means conservative.
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The whole education sector needs to be reminded of the law about fair and balanced teaching and that must be enforced. It appears criminal offences have been committed.
The misrepresentation of BBC is as damaging as the treatment of Reform.
One wonders what lies these schools teach children about net zero and Israel.
Leaving this here. CEO of Orion Education: Simon Garrill. Boss man has to take overall responsibility, as per;
https://www.orionedu.org.uk/About-Us/Welcome/
“Values like mutual respect, are fully intolerant towards others, reject democracy as a means of governance”
That perfectly describes Labour postponing elections, and Labour’s labelling of anyone with a different point of view as Far Right.
If only the teachers could point out this irony to their students.
BBC is a “trusted site”?
Don’t make my blood boil.
That Nazi flag in the diagram needs to be next to the hammer an sickle. The Nazi’s were socialists. It’s in the name.
Question for the midwits that produced the chart: where do free market libertarians sit on their left-right continuum?
Good point.
As a minimum you would need to use the three dimensional chart that separates economic from social views.
The red colour of our posters already drew them [factory workers] into our gatherings. Ordinary citizens were shocked that we were also using the red of the Bolshevists and regarded this as something very suspicious. Deutschnationale¹ were always whispering to each other that we were possibly just some kind of Marxists or Socialists.
[…]
We’ve intentionally chosen red for our posters to provoke the left and to cause its adherents to come to our public gatherings, if only to break them up, so that we had a chance to talk to these people.
[Hitler, Mein Kampf, p. 541 – 542]
The translation is unfortunately rather woody but it’s essentially impossible to render Hitler’s style in English or at least, impossible for me.
¹ German nationalists, but not meant as generic term but as adherents of the DNVP, the German Nationalist People’s Party², the reactionary monarchists.
² Cue the anarchist: They’re a people’s party! Clearly, they must have been far left socialists!
The economic and social cannot be separated from Socialism, Fascism and National Socialism as they are totalitarian, collectivist ideologies outside of which no human or spiritual values can exist, so they are a unit inclusive of all values which determine and dictate how the people must live their lives, and within a centrally planned and controlled economy. Far Right (if we understand its logical definition as being the diametric opposite on the ideological spectrum) – allows a free society of individual development, with shared morals and values, manners and Common Law, by consent, with individuals free to undertake free market economic activity for their own benefit. We haven’t had Far Right probably since the latter part of the 19th Century when central government started to intrude in people’s lives, introduced income tax which has resulted in a political class which increasingly likes economic and social control, but not to the extremes of the Far Left… yet… but the current Labour Government is moving in that direction. The move Left – State control – is introduced and entrenched by war. In wartime Government has the excuse to take control of all aspects of society and economy “for the war effort”, this… Read more »
The left/ right division in politics goes back to the national assembly of revolutionary France where the members who wanted to keep a constitutional monarchy sat on the right and those who wanted a democratic republic on the left. Anarchists from loony sphere were not represented.
You let yourself down when you label people who don’t like collectivism and want to live under the least amount of state control as possible “anarchists from loony sphere”.
Collectivism is a fantasy term which really refers to the way human society has organized itself since seriously ancient times, presumably since before writing was invented and certainly since then. If you don’t like that, remove yourself from it — problem solved. You’ll then of course have no running water, no electricity, no shops where you can buy food and no protection against whoever might take a certain liking to something you believe to be your own but these are all issues which can be solved or worked around.
So, when do you plan to start living from subsistence agriculture in some remote area without other people?
May I please ask where you place the Swiss style of government.
I don’t think I understand the question.
Switzerland was originally a part of Austria but the people eventually revolted against rule by Austrian aristocrats and established an independent democratic republic. This would mark the people instrumental in this as “politically left.”
Thank you for responding. The problem is: Are you saying that “an independent democratic republic” is “politically left”? Does this mean that the Pericles model of government was socialism? Which is the reason for my question in the first place, my belief that Switzerland is the only democratic place in the West and most certainly not in the slightest “Leftist”.
Just because you don’t understand it – and you clearly don’t given your barely coherent ramble – doesn’t mean it’s a “fantasy term”
Collectivism involves prioritising the group over the individual. It relates to the process of sacrificing personal freedom for collective action, a sacrifice that the group imposes on individuals.
That is in distinct contrast to free association which is cooperation with others only entered into freely, without coercion.
I wish collectivism was a fantasy, but sadly we suffer it constantly and everywhere in the modern world.
Just that you’re now substituting abuse for arguments doesn’t mean you’re right. Especially not if your statements are outright nonsensical like a sacrifice that the group imposes on individuals. Groups cannot act. Only individuals can. And a sacrifice can’t be imposed on someone because if it’s imposed, it’s not a sacrifice, but just an act of violence of someone against someone else. In certain contexts, sacrifices may be demanded of individuals. The classic example would be soldiers during war supposed to execute orders which might get them killed, possibly perfectly randomly, say, in the case of a messenger who has to cross an area that’s heavily shelled by enemy artillery to deliver an important message. This messenger may possibly sacrifice himself to the cause but that’s always his own decision and making it is usually considered a mark of moral virtue. One should note that there’s no way to coerce the individual soldier in such a situation: If he’s not willing to risk his life to deliver the message, there’s no way to make him do it as there’s no punishment which could be inflicted on him which would cause the message to be delivered. A better definition of what… Read more »
So it’s like a magic trick, misdirecting the fact that either side could be suggesting authoritarian shit, by a focus on where they sit.
Could be suggesting authoritarian shit is a speculation about a yet unknown future and the same sleight of hand also employed by the Save the climate! faction: Could be suggesting really means will or won’t suggest and as it’s always going to be one of the two, could be suggesting really doesn’t mean anything at all.
There’s also no focus on where somebody sits but just an observation of this: Members of the same party sit together and hence, the location can be used a short-hand reference for the political goals of a party. The original left/ right divide was between the party which wanted to create a republic and the party which wanted to retain the monarchy.
So very true. The left right spectrum implies some form authoritarianism and it’s a matter of chosing which type. You can’t escape it.
I was thinking of this:
Political Compass standard model – Political spectrum – Wikipedia
I think it has some merit – more than a linear spectrum.
Rich world is drifting towards authoritarian left
There presumably as many theoretical models of political division as there are political theorists. But this doesn’t really matter because this is not about theory but about propaganda. “Nazi” is a coded allusion to an ultimate evil in our times, pretty much what used to be “machinations of the devil” by the time of the Salem witch trials. Hence, everyone seeking public support for his political pet agenda wants to call the people opposed to it Nazis because this means further political argument isn’t necessary: They’re Nazis, hence, represent an ultimate evil and must by fought “by any means necessary.” Depending on who’s presently seeking to call whom a Nazi, the NSDAP must thus constantly be made to jump from the far right to the far left and back. The propagandists don’t care, anyway, they just want to use the label.
Very true, though just because it’s tricky doesn’t mean the subject should not or cannot be discussed. As it stands with the state of UK schools though I would prefer it not to be discussed.
I agree with that: Schools shouldn’t venture into politics at all and certainly not in such a partisan way. Political theory might be taught as an abstract topic but this certainly shouldn’t include the not-so-covert claim that Reform wants to abolish democracy.
Even Claude.ai says Reform are not fascist.
Nobody here is calling anyone but the actual Nazis Nazis.
The Nazis believed in collectivist action directed by an all powerful state. They believed corporations should be instructed by the state to serve the state. Prove me wrong.
Mussolini’s idea of the corporate state was a society organized into incorporated entities cooperating with other incorporated entities to deal with issues transcending the sphere of a single incorporated entity. For instance, unions organizing stikes to force factory owners/ capitalists to bow to some demand of theirs were to be replaced with a national association of factory owners and a national association of factory workers which were to sort out issue affecting both by negotiating which each other to find some mutually beneficial compromise solution without any party trying to force the hand of the other party.
This is precisely no relation to “corporations” in the sense of “businesses.” but since you’ve intentionally chosen to ignore this, no one can “prove you wrong” as you’re simply making up your own terms such that they fit into your own arguments.
The NSDAP was founded as anti-socialist party because Hitler considered socialism as part of the Jewish conspiracy against the German people. Adding socialism to the name was a common marketing trick in the 1920s when everybody called himself a socialist of some kind because everybody needed and wanted supported of the masses of factory workers whose (mostly) justified grievances the real socialists, SPD and KPD, had so far successfully monopolized.
Questions for midwits: a) Assuming you put Papier-mâché wings onto a cow, will it fly? b) Will people about 100 year later point at a picture of this cow and claim that it’s a bird because of these wings? [Answers: a) No, b) Of course]
Answer to your question: As always, the anarchists belong to the far left. Firmly outside of the picture, as they’re even the loony left for the Communists who live in a real world they desire to change and not in some fantasy universe where property magically defends itself without a state enforcing entirely artificial property laws.
No. Hitler was anti-communist because it was a case of two rival gangs fighting for control, just as Mafia families are “anti” each other in a turf fight.
Hitler was a Socialist, and if you check NASDAP policies these were Socialist.
This is bullshit.
You keep attaching the label “anarchist” to people who want to associate freely with the smallest amount of government control possible.
If you think that is a far left position, like a bit further on from communism, the. That spectrum has even ess meaning than I thought.
But it is revealing that you’ll see people describe it as far right, you as far left
.
That is how utterly useless your left right spectrum is.
That’s not my spectrum but one which has been commonly employed for over a hundred years, see Hitler quote above which talks about provoking the left.
In my opinion, people who share Marx view of the organisation of the economy as the sole relevant social topic and who share the Communist goal of getting rid of the state as functionally redundant instrument of oppression can rightfully be described as Marxists. At least insofar that’s supposed to mean something beyond Hitler’s idea of it which that it’s a criminal conspiracy by Jews to conquer the world based on toxic Jewish theory create by a Jew (Marx) for this express purpose.
OTOH, I don’t insist on the label. Somewhere on the fringe left were people believe everything must be changed because everything is wrong and they are the people who know how everything should be to become right is precise enough. As committed monarchist, I detest the hybris embedded in this. If it were so simple to get everything right, politics would have ceased to matter because of everything already having been done right centuries ago.
Nazi abbreviation, translated into English, is: National SOCIALIST German WORKERS Party.
Yet people pretend Nazi is right wing. NO, it is NOT. Nazi is undoubtedly LEFT WING.
Sadly this is the kind of mindless toxic propagandised nonsense that my guardian reading BBC watching ex teacher and HR friends trot out. I had one claim to be offended when I called the fighting age male dingy invaders just that. Of course he sneered when I told him that I watched GB News and read the DS.
Anyone know how to post images, says the input is too long? its only a re edit of the original article image.
Although I don’t know the numbers off the top, it does have a file size limit. You need to compress down the output so that it fits in.
Right and left wing is so outdated and it’s not helpful to class individuals as ‘on the left’ or ‘on the right’. And putting the Lib Dems in the centre – well, that may have been true 30 years ago!!
It is a bit simplistic. RW correctly explains here it’s history that emerged in the French Revolution (La Gauche, La Droite), and of course it is built into the structure of House of Commons – but not that of the seating layout in most Council chambers, or other governments like the Welsh Senedd.
Of course, in the real world there are lots of sub-groups within parties and departments, that end up fighting each other from time to time, with the Chancellor being the top dog.
These Labour supporting teachers have Labour, with its ex?-Marxist magazine editor and international law following leader as a centre party, while the Greens are further left. Now many of their brainwashed pupils and later on university students are switching to the Greens, with Marxist policies. They know that Reform are taking the votes of workers who are losing jobs because of Green and Labour policies and will step up their indoctrination in schools until the election. Labour is intent on gaining the votes of 16 year olds and the Islamic community and closing down independent education and critics of militant Islam in order to gerrymander the election. Only the parents are able to prevent this indoctrination by letting the children know that their teachers are lying subversives.
Goebbels, chief propagandist of the Nazi Party, could not himself have outdone these schools. Or for another parallel consider the Hitlerjugend movement.
Sue them for every penny. Close them down.
For years I kept a file on all the lies and fake news from the BBC and The Guardian. It was so extensive that it is too long to post on here. The British Brainwashing Corporation is the state funded propaganda arm of the UK regime. The BBC relies on the UK government junta for its funding by allowing it to tax the population with a license. The license is compulsory, and you will be fined if you don’t have one. The UK government appoints the Director General. Ergo the BBC is “state funded”, part of the UK and Western world “establishment” and is a very poor news media outlet and far from “independent”. If you try to correct their mistakes, they will block you from commenting on their website and on their facebook page. The Guardian only show one side of the story and that is of the establishment corporatists and their Globalist, neoliberal, warmongering propaganda. I used to buy the paper for 35 years and have witnessed its decline. I stopped buying it about 15 years ago and now only comment on their page every time they get something wrong, which is quite often. They are probably the… Read more »
Have you noticed how the left wing and right wing arrows are not the same length? What does that say about the political attitudes of the people who created the graphic? By moving the “centre ground” to the left of the centre they’ve distorted the picture and made Reform look as extreme as the Communists.
Fascism under the Swastika is incorrect, Germany was National Socialist, Italy was Fascist.
National Socialism was the specific ideology of Hitler’s Party, extreme nationalism, anti-Semitism, racial purity, and totalitarian control under a Führer, plus aggressive expansionism by military means.
Fascism, originating with Mussolini, was an authoritarian nationalist movement, state supremacy over individuals, corporatism which was the merger of corporate power with government power. There was no aspect of racial purity.
That these two have some similar aspects it because both are rooted in and are evolutions of Marxist-Socialism – Hitler and Mussolini being Socialists – applying Socialism based on national rather than class.
That educationalists not knowing this is no surprise and is a disgrace.
Far Left = empowerment of the State over the individual, collectivism, no property Rights, central economic planning and control.
The polar opposite, Far Right must = sovereign of the individual, individuality, property Rights, free market capitalist economy.
So few understand this.
I blame the schools.
Fascism, originating with Mussolini, was an authoritarian nationalist movement, state supremacy over individuals, corporatism which was the merger of corporate power with government power.
Corporate doesn’t necessarily mean incorporated according to the laws of Delaware but just incorporated. Mussolinis’s idea of the corporate state had nothing to do with corporations as used in modern American English. His inspiration was the guild-based society of the middle-ages and the idea was that each identifiable part of sociery should incorporate itself somehow, eg, factory owners as well as factory workers, and that these incorporated entities should cooperate to resolve practical problems affecting more than one of them, eg, the so-called social question, the rather miserable lot of many factory workers.
Hitler copied this directly from him.
However. There can be no corporatism without corporations. Mussolini 1932 Doctrine of Fascism ”Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies and the aspirations of a people… The State is not only a guardian… but a powerful agent of economic development. The Fascist State organises the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential. Corporatism is the economic expression of this unity between State and private initiative.” Government power merged with corporate (big business) power? Corporazione: was a body created in an economic sector involving business, unions, State officials… to serve the interests of the State. Big business, like Fiat, readily participated in order to gain influence, and its economic might was needed by the Fascists. The difference between free-market capitalism and crony capitalism is whether government picks winners via political deals, or lets open competition decide. In the EU model (and the model in most “developed” Countries, particularly the USA – FDR admired Mussolini and his corporatism was the inspiration for the “New Deal”): Private businesses and government officials form mutually beneficial relationships, where: • Government grants favours (subsidies,… Read more »
A belief that all of the world outside one’s own zone is really governed by fascists is one of the cornerstones of post-1945 Marxism.
Ein volk, ein Reich ,ein Starmer.
Reform are a party “who want stricter immigration, deportation of illegal migrants, tax cuts, anti-EU regulations, UK sovereignty and traditional education policies”.
I cannot see anything wrong in plain old commonsense.
Want deportation of illegal migrants would be worded better as: Want that UK immigration law is actually enforced instead of tacitly ignored. The anomal state is the present one and not the other.
If children are taught in schools what to think rather than how to think, they will turn out as fanatics. Isn’t that extreme?
The mail is kind of the controlled all over the place opposition, but in the end just as untrustworthy as the BBC and the guardian.
The Mail isn’t 100% onboard with the agenda and hence, it’s a “Nazi publication” to the people whose agenda it is. This is really that gross. To use an example from Germany: The CDU is a left-leaning establishment party which is generally onboard with everything. It’s presently nominally the party governing Germany in a coalition with the junior partner SPD. Friedrich Merz has recently claimed that there would be some problem with the way German cities would present themselves to observers. This was understood as allusion to the common complaint among German that foreign ‘refugees’ are loitering everywhere, that they tend to be noisy, drop litter all over the place and frequently harass women and girls, all of which are well-documented facts. The SPD immediately went ballistic and started to organize Anti-Merz demonstrations during the course of which he was labelled as NPD¹-bastard, likened to Goebbels and generally accused of “Nazi viewpoints” and “Nazi policies.”
The political establishment doesn’t tolerate any opposition, no matter how mild. It’s either “you’re 100% with us on everything from mass immigration to gender self-ID” or “you’re a genocidal Nazi!”
¹ The National Democratic Party of Germany, the oldest and most well-known Neonazi-party
An eminently sensible head teacher on GBNews said he was appalled by the reports of this teaching. His suggestion was that a complaint should go into Ofsted, but that’s like moaning about a rain shower to a thunderstorm. Ofsted are part of the civil service socialist blob and almost certainly are fully in accord with these teaching materials
Trust the BBC? Ironic just as news of them faking Trump footage for Panorama last year has just come out.
So.. propaganda enforced on Year 10 children who will be voters at the next election. I’m angry myself but if I was Tice I would be blowing a fuse.
That is appalling! And I thought indoctrination only went on in dictatorships.
these schools should be prosecuted on the grounds that they no longer provide education; but brainwashed idiots for the current government.
if I still had school age children, I would definitely be homeschooling.
These activists disguised as teachers can’t control what mom & Dad say at home. That’s were sensible issues are discussed and not the classroom.
‘Left wing’, sensibly defined, means campaigning for egalitarianism and seeking to overthrow the existing ‘elite’ as a means of achieving power. Examples include the French Revolution (the root of all Leftism), Marxism (classic Leftism), Fascism (Marxism without the internationalism) and Nazism (Volksgemeinschaft). Right wing just means conservative.
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