Horror Knife Rampage on Train Leaves 11 in Hospital
Yet another day, yet another stabbing — this time, 11 of them on a train in Cambridgeshire. Here’s what we know so far. From the Mail:
A counter terror probe has been launched after a knife rampage on a train left nine fighting for their lives.
Two people were arrested by officers at the scene of the horror near Huntingdon in Cambridgeshire, with 10 victims rushed to hospital with stab wounds.
Nine are believed to have suffered life-threatening injuries, while one has serious but not critical wounds. There have been no fatalities, British Transport Police said in the early hours of Sunday morning. …
Thirty officers rushed to the London North Eastern Railway (LNER) Doncaster to London King’s Cross service after it stopped in the Cambridgeshire town. The attack is believed to have begun shortly after the train left Peterborough.
Passengers are said to have hid in toilets as one suspect carried a “big knife”, witnesses said, while others claimed they were trampled on as distressed passengers attempted to flee the chaos.
Armed police descended on the platform and “tasered a man waving a large knife”, bystanders also claimed.
Videos also emerged on social media showing police cars racing to the scene as armed officers raced to the platform at around 7.42pm on Saturday. …
A passenger named Gavin recalled several people moving through the train during the horror attack, while hearing one say: “They’ve got a knife. I have been stabbed.”
“They were making their way through to get away from the suspect,” he told Sky News. “They were extremely bloodied.
“That person, when we pulled in, they were basically on the floor; we couldn’t progress further down the train because that person ended up collapsing.”
“We were ushered out of the station from the platform, and there were multiple people who had been stabbed who were making their way down.”
Passengers were then escorted off the train onto the platform at Huntingdon, he said.
“The armed police were pointing to the suspect as we came off the train.” …
Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood said she was “deeply saddened” by the stabbings.
“My thoughts go out to all those affected. Two suspects have been immediately arrested and taken into custody,” she said.
“I am receiving regular updates on the investigation. I urge people to avoid comment and speculation at this early stage.” …
The Telegraph reports that police have revealed the ethnicities of the train attack suspects.
Speaking in a press conference outside the scene superintendent John Loveless from British Transport Police identified the suspects as a 32 year-old male, a black British national and a 35 year old man, a British national of Caribbean assent.
Both men, who were born in the United Kingdom, were arrested on suspicion of murder and remain in police custody.
He said: “There is nothing to suggest that this is a terrorist incident”.
Stop Press: The train driver whose quick actions helped save the lives of passengers in Saturday night’s knife attack is a Royal Navy and Iraq War veteran, according to GB News.
Stop Press 2: A 32 year-old man arrested over the Huntingdon train knife attack is now being treated as the only suspect, British Transport Police have said, according to the Express. A 35 year-old from London has been released with no further action.
Peterborough weather forecast: Isolated stabbings might occur on some trains in the early evening, but that’s nothing to worry about. Especially, it’s not a terror attack. Keep calm and run away screaming!
Gary Neville will probably claim it was white middle-aged men blacked-up. Just when we thought we were free of a gobby Far Left ex-footballer named Gary along comes another one.
They are both British, British born, born in the UK, British citizens, did i mention they are British? Good honest salt of the earth British people (being born in the antarctic doesn’t make you a penguin!) who both suffered exactly the same mental health problems at exactly the same time whilst on a train your honour!
Interesting, reform and every single one of your MPs have not said a word about this horrible breach of safety and security for the British people. Arm your officers. Man your trains with at least one transit cop. It really is not that hard! No risk assessments carried out? That is one of GB’s great accomplishments, risk assessments! Not much else these days.
MajorMajor
5 months ago
Ah, it wasn’t a terrorist incident!
Just a normal day in our diverse, modern. vibrant Britain.
And for those who remember the days when you could still walk the streets without fear and want that old Britain back – you are all bigoted, racist, white supremacist gammon.
This wasn’t a terrorist incident but the horrific crime was committed by a demographic which has shown a distinct propensity to commit such heinous crimes over the last twenty or so years. Simple logic suggests therfore that members of the offending species are a clear and obvious threat to the indigenous people whom remarkably are always their victims. The conclusion inevitably is that we are not at risk from a few secretive and isolated terror cells but unfortunately a whole demographic principally centred around islam.
Various options are of course available to those who seek to “govern” us including wholesale curfews, demolition of mosques, restricted travel rights or the one that is most simple, straightforward , effective and permanent – export the fuckin lot.
Agree regarding the demographic, but this doesn’t really fit to my way of thinking. So many victims, on a train, just after it left a station, without much hope of getting away with it. Normally stabbings would be street violence, wrong place wrong time, or robbery. We shall see, hopefully, if the truth is not covered up.
In case of so-called streets violence, this will usually be people involved in the illegal drug trade having “discussions” with each other, eg, about bills gone unpaid for too long or the wrong people peddling drugs in the wrong places.
Yes, that or other gang or criminal activity related beefs, or could just be for looking at someone wrong, or for kicks. This doesn’t resemble any of that.
The drug trade is the best money-making scheme ever gifted to organized crime gangs and because of this, it’s sensible to assume that any such occurrence is about drug trade discussions unless proven otherwise. Just supplying hashish smokers requires moving tons of the stuff every day and there’s a tight distribution network for this covering all of the country. A single consumer who’s fairly parsimonous will need about 1g every 2 days. This means 1kg will supply about 66 consumers for a month and a 1t about 6666. And there are certainly tenthousands of regular consumers in all larger cities and hundredthousands in the really large ones. And most consumers aren’t particularly parsimonious.
Yeah I was shopping this morning in a supposedly quiet home counties town and the smell of weed was drifting down the street, think from a bunch of teens who looked pretty young to be smoking weed but then again lots of kids at my grammar school managed to get their hands on it too, almost half a century ago.
Just to clarify – I don’t necessarily mean that these blokes were part of some organised terrorist group. But if you plan and commit mass brutal violence, with a political or religious motivation, to make a point, without particularly trying to get away with it, I class that as an act or terror, especially when there are two of you.
If you look back at the evidence and records, black people have been causing trouble, and even riots, since they arrived. I think it was 1952 when the first black disorder kicked off. There is even evidence before that (1900s) of black seafarers causing trouble in seaport towns. See Simon Webb’s excellent YouTube video on this.
I’m sure the victims, fighting for their lives in hospital, will be relieved to know that the people who stabbed them weren’t shouting “Allahu Akhbar”.
Shame on everyone who jumped into conclusions and thought something like this could have been done by members of the Religion of Peace.
If a man attacked me with a knife then I would be terrified. That makes it terrorism. Motive is irrelevant but words matter.
Gezza England
5 months ago
As much as the Far Left blob like to hide ethnicity and background, they also like to hide the lefties favourite drugs as used by former PM Call Me Dave. My money would be on a drug use connection as indeed there is with the synagogue murderer.
Cannabis psychosis is an old fairy tale of the people who believe that the criminal code is the proper way to deal with a supposed “drug problem” of society despite decades of real-world evidence have shown this to be both very costly and completely ineffective. And it’s a completely idiotic fairy tale because this combination of terms make just as much as talking about alcohol-fuelled precision and efficiency. Cannabis turns people into couch potatoes who no have interest in anything save eating, watching TV and consuming more cannabis (and maybe, have sex, although this distracts from consuming more cannabis and requires a certain, bodily exertion).
People who are already mad obviously don’t become saner by consuming drugs on top of that.
I’ve got to come in here. You are talking complete nonsense, from apparent total ignorance.
When you spend 30 years in company of people who have mental illnesses to varying depths, and find out that the vast majority of them have spent a lifetime on the ganja, you realise that you don’t need a medical qualification to make the connection. There is a reason why mental illness is very prevalent in older black males from a working class societal bracket, and it’s not racism (as some would have you believe).
My brother went off to uni at the age of 18. Unfortunately cannabis caught his attention, and he spent almost every day onwards living on the stuff, the stronger the better.
From his late 30s he has been a mental wreck. He cannot work and experiences frequent persistent paranoid auditory illusions. He hears people everywhere plotting to kill him. All the while he continued to use cannabis daily. Overuse of cannabis has destroyed what was a capable and intelligent man.
It makes me angry to hear people say what you have said; “Cannabis is harmless”. I’m sorry to say it, but that is total bullshit.
I’ve also known people like that in the past. The occasional spliff of a weekend is not what is problematic, but it’s when rolling a joint is your first priority when you wake up, go to bed at night and everything in between. The heavy habitual users are definitely the ones to be watched.
People who consume lots of Cannabis don’t roll joints, that’s a far too inefficent method of consumption. That’s what pupils do at school. Or other occasional users. The most common device is a so-called Bong (see Wikipedia) and there various technical improvements in the sense that they’re cheaper and more effective. The technically best is probably a so-called bucket which is composed of a bucket of water and a plastic bottle whose bottom has been cut off. To use that, some device capable of holding a tobacco-hashish mixture has to put over the mouth of the bottle. Perforated kitchen-foil will do but something capable of holding a fine sieve is better. The bottle is pushed into the bucket and the mixture inserted into the head. This is then set alight and the bottle pulled up until only its lower end is still in the water. The head is removed and the smoke in the bottle inhaled while pusing it down. I’d agree that people which have such a bucket next to their bed and routinely start the day with having a couple of them in quick sucession show a pattern of problematic consumption, especially if the water in the bucked… Read more »
I didn’t write Cannabis is harmless but gaven an accurate description of the effects. The story about your brother is culture war bullshit. It doesn’t work in this way. You’ve confused that with amphetamines which indeed can cause such effects. But that’s because they’re stimulating and not sedating which Cannabis is.
“Culture war bullshit”. Well done, you found out that I made up what I said about my brother. Were you Sherlock Holmes in a previous life? If not him, some other genius, maybe?
I shared a story just yesterday of a loony from the Congo stabbing a German bloke 8 times at Dublin airport. He was diagnosed as having schizophrenia and had a history of cannabis use. Just one case, and I haven’t got round to delving further for evidence, but paranoid delusions and aggression are definitely linked to these pot heads and their behaviour.
True – but two of them suggests collusion and planning – if done to make a political or religious point then IMO it’s an act of terrorism, even if they are not part of some “official” organised group.
Recent updates say that only the 32 year old is now under suspicion of the stabbing attacks, the other 35 year old man has been found not to have been involved.
Our highly intelligent defence secretary this morning said that he doesn’t rule out airport style security scanners at stations. Has he ever caught a train at a country station. Most don’t have staff these days so who will man these scanners. Moron
It’s simplicity itself: People simply must be prohibited from leaving their own homes unless strip-searched by dedicated security staff posted to each street first. Because everyone knows, the most effective way to fight crime is more onerous state invasion into the private lives of law-abiding people. It’s also crucial that all people are forced to take their shoes off before they’re allowed to enter a pedestrian zone and they must be arrested when carrying dangerous goods like toothpaste in public without a good reason.
if only all the passengers had digital ID, this whole tragedy could have been prevented. How exactly Minister? Well we’re still working on that, but it would make it easier for us, sorry I meant them, to access their bank account, which is good isn’t it?
“But I think it requires us all to be more vigilant, more vigilant about our electronic devices, about the risk of cyber fraud and cyber attack and just be more vigilant for looking out for others around us.”
Presumably this has something to do with people on a train with large knives, although for the life of me I can’t see how.
Why should we have to be “more vigilance?” This country has never ordinarily been prone to mass murderous attacks on its citizens. Could the minister look in to this and report back?
Perhaps he has inside knowledge that the perpetrators were only trying to snatch mobile phones, but the non-vigilant passengers just put them in their pockets rather than leaving them at home?
You would think, if capable of thought, that stealing a phone inside a locked metal tube (which is what a moving train is) would make for a very restricted chance of escaping with your booty.
A street robbery you can understand, but not this.
Trains don’t even run on time, so how can this be factored in? Who would want to do it anyway? Oh, it will be Mitie or one of the other companies won’t it?
Hmm
Fishy
There were two of them so doesn’t really fit the lone nutcase attack
Two geezers travelling together got into a beef with lots of other passengers?
Robbery gone wrong?
Smells like planned attack to me – that is terrorism
10 people stabbed and 9 with life-threatening injuries and this immediately after the train left a station makes no sense for attempted robbery. This people meant to kill, not to take something and then get off the train with it somehow.
There is now only one, and he doesn’t need to be a Muslim to be a terrorist, if all the victims were “white”, stabbed by an Ethnic African. He is an Anti-White Genocidal Terrorist.
Jack the dog
5 months ago
Time to replace tasers with glocks, sigs, h&ks.
That would deal with these scum expeditiously and send a suitable message.
Stop fannying around, hair on fire. Do the business.
Yes, and it seems at least one of them told the police to kill him before he was arrested.
I’m beginning to think that having all police armed is going to happen, even though some of those I see about look like they might struggle to point a firearm in the right direction.
All British people carry machetes on a train, don’t they? Whenever I go on a train journey I run through a list of things to remember “phone, clean pants, watch, machete!” Comes in handy if I’ve forgotten to cut up my sandwiches 🥪!
Deepest condolences to all those affected by these disgusting monsters, hopes and prayers for their complete recoveries 🙏
If they’d made them during the afternoon, no. And cucumber and ham is not a favourite combination, they tend to be a bit slippery.
Arum
5 months ago
‘Caribbean assent’ – do you mean with a Caribbean accent? I don’t know if that was an error in the original Telegraph article (very likely) but if so they have changed it already!
Quite a lot of Carribeans are a bit white or Indian or Chinese. It’s the future for England.
Pete Sutton
5 months ago
Extra police will be on the railways, says the govt on the news just now – to reassure passengers, incuding at Huntingdon. Why, is Huntingdon at special risk?
I see we must expect to see an increased police presence at stations ‘until Tuesday’. Goodness, that will make a difference.
DiscoveredJoys
5 months ago
Surprisingly few calls to bring back capital punishment for mass murders. I wonder why?
For the sake of clarity (and any jobsworths monitoring speech) I do not generally support capital punishment, being civilised and all. But mass murders suggest not only prolonged intent to kill but a possibility that the same would happen in the future if the opportunity presented itself – so get rid.
If a mass attempted murder is (a) perpetrated by a pair of allied assailants and (b) indiscriminate as to its victims, it is by definition a conspiracy formed to terrorise a wide population.
What would it be other than terrorism? Armed robbery? Personal grudge? A joke gone wrong? Spare me.
I think you will find in due course that the British “National” of Caribbean descent suffers from “mental ishoos” so this has absolutely nothing to do with race, culture, religion, flooding the Country with undesirables… its just one of those regrettable things about which absolutely nothing can be done.
And by the way, did you at all know that most murders and rapes are committed by white men. So immigration isn’t a problem, see?
The ideology of the assailants is obviously unclear as yet. But as regards “not terrorism”, in general terms it seems (according to Mayar Tousi) that the “terrorism” label now depends on the announcement of a specific ideology. This is clearly nonsense – as I understand it the Lebanese experience was of isolated violence against non-Muslims, followed by no-go areas of Palestinian refugees for non-Muslims (not a specific named terrorist organisation), sealed off by road-blocks and attacks on vehicles, followed by mass attacks by said Palestinians leading to civil war and take-over of the country, its organs now coerced into making Lebanon an Arab State rather than a Christian one. Hezbollah consolidates in the wake of that, not so much beforehand. All of that could be achieved – and can be achieved here – without any publicly named terrorist organisation (Antifa led the way in that decentralisation) or advanced warnings of motive (as in the Manchester synagogue attack). All it takes is enough violence to cow the populace and, especially, to out-perform the security services, and a plan to bully the government into sharing, then ceding, power. Unlike Lebanon, where at least the government armed its civilians, we’re not even allowed… Read more »
It’s not terrorist related until the general population calm down a bit from the initial surge of anger. Once the immediate danger of riots has passed the police will learn more details about the attacker and it might turn out he was a Muslim convert/inspired by IS. Or he might have a severe mental health problem that he didn’t get treatment for because the overstretched NHS is too busy treating millennial snowflakes for “anxiety”.
Remember what the Nigerian murderer shouted after his cowardly machete attack on unarmed Fusilier Lee Rigby, after first running him over with a car so he could not defend himself?
He shouted that he and his Nigerian Accomplice were “HERE TO START A RACE WAR!”
Pete Sutton
5 months ago
Cops at Huntingdon searching under cars in station car park – does the attack have something to do with Huntigdon, beyond the fact that the train stopped there?
Don’t know, perhaps they are simply being thorough and taking precautions.
I don’t believe anyone could know that the train would be stopped at Huntingdon, that was a decision made by the driver in contact with the signallers as they put the train onto a track with a platform as Huntingdon has 4 tracks but only 2 through platforms .
Huntingdon was Oliver Cromwell’s constituency. It looks like the terror is moving to middle England. QED
Grim Ace
5 months ago
You can take thr man out of Africa, but Africa’s DNA cannot be taken out of the man.
Wonder if they’ll turn out to be Muslamic converts?
Whatever the final knowledge about them, this goes to prove, again, that the greatest error we ever made was letting any third world people into our land.
Pete Sutton
5 months ago
The knifeman might have been suffering from “mental health”– to use the term with its current nonsensical meaning.
Yes, “mental health” that only made the Ethnic African stab White People.
Heretic
5 months ago
Yet again, the police immediately declare that this mass murder attempt was not terrorism. Yet again, we are expected to believe it’s only another case of “mental health problems”, or “a difficult childhood”, or “racist bullying”, blah, blah, blah.
Terrorism is defined as “the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims”.
The armed attacker was an Ethnic African, whose precise place of birth is irrelevant, and whose “mental health” is also irrelevant, because if his victims were all Ethnic Europeans, and he said “the devil is not going to win”, then he is just another Anti-White Genocidal Terrorist Murderer…
“using violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims”,
in this case, to EXTERMINATE THE WHITE MAN, who has been universally demonised as a prelude to Genocide.
marebobowl
5 months ago
“Avoid comment and speculation”. Britain, you are in a real mess, if this is the best your Home Secretary can do. Perhaps reassure the citizens of this country a transit cop will now be on every train in the country, maybe reassure your citizens, their safety and security are your number one priority. Although we all know that is not true.
oh and by the way, has anyone seen your prime minister?
Covid-1984
5 months ago
Pity he didn’t stab 11 dinghys
JTB
5 months ago
According to the police, nothing to do with terrorism, but they don’t know what the motive was. Anyone else see the problem here?
That’s their usual claim: It’s not terrorism because the motive is unknown. I suspect that they’re well aware that there’s an organized terror campaign against the population which has been going on for a while and just don’t want to admit that because it doesn’t fit into the Diversity is our strength! song the population is supposed to sing all the time.
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Peterborough weather forecast: Isolated stabbings might occur on some trains in the early evening, but that’s nothing to worry about. Especially, it’s not a terror attack. Keep calm and run away screaming!
So let me guess at the expense of being jailed.
Muslims.
Blacks.
Black Muslims.
And/Or invaders.
Just waiting for the useless Starmtard, Plod and BBC to tell me that Farage supporters did it.
Gary Neville will probably claim it was white middle-aged men blacked-up. Just when we thought we were free of a gobby Far Left ex-footballer named Gary along comes another one.
They are both British, British born, born in the UK, British citizens, did i mention they are British? Good honest salt of the earth British people (being born in the antarctic doesn’t make you a penguin!) who both suffered exactly the same mental health problems at exactly the same time whilst on a train your honour!
Choir boys in their youth?
Interesting, reform and every single one of your MPs have not said a word about this horrible breach of safety and security for the British people. Arm your officers. Man your trains with at least one transit cop. It really is not that hard! No risk assessments carried out? That is one of GB’s great accomplishments, risk assessments! Not much else these days.
Ah, it wasn’t a terrorist incident!
Just a normal day in our diverse, modern. vibrant Britain.
And for those who remember the days when you could still walk the streets without fear and want that old Britain back – you are all bigoted, racist, white supremacist gammon.
As I have posted elsewhere…
This wasn’t a terrorist incident but the horrific crime was committed by a demographic which has shown a distinct propensity to commit such heinous crimes over the last twenty or so years. Simple logic suggests therfore that members of the offending species are a clear and obvious threat to the indigenous people whom remarkably are always their victims. The conclusion inevitably is that we are not at risk from a few secretive and isolated terror cells but unfortunately a whole demographic principally centred around islam.
Various options are of course available to those who seek to “govern” us including wholesale curfews, demolition of mosques, restricted travel rights or the one that is most simple, straightforward , effective and permanent – export the fuckin lot.
JFDI !
Agree regarding the demographic, but this doesn’t really fit to my way of thinking. So many victims, on a train, just after it left a station, without much hope of getting away with it. Normally stabbings would be street violence, wrong place wrong time, or robbery. We shall see, hopefully, if the truth is not covered up.
In case of so-called streets violence, this will usually be people involved in the illegal drug trade having “discussions” with each other, eg, about bills gone unpaid for too long or the wrong people peddling drugs in the wrong places.
Yes, that or other gang or criminal activity related beefs, or could just be for looking at someone wrong, or for kicks. This doesn’t resemble any of that.
The drug trade is the best money-making scheme ever gifted to organized crime gangs and because of this, it’s sensible to assume that any such occurrence is about drug trade discussions unless proven otherwise. Just supplying hashish smokers requires moving tons of the stuff every day and there’s a tight distribution network for this covering all of the country. A single consumer who’s fairly parsimonous will need about 1g every 2 days. This means 1kg will supply about 66 consumers for a month and a 1t about 6666. And there are certainly tenthousands of regular consumers in all larger cities and hundredthousands in the really large ones. And most consumers aren’t particularly parsimonious.
Yeah I was shopping this morning in a supposedly quiet home counties town and the smell of weed was drifting down the street, think from a bunch of teens who looked pretty young to be smoking weed but then again lots of kids at my grammar school managed to get their hands on it too, almost half a century ago.
Just to clarify – I don’t necessarily mean that these blokes were part of some organised terrorist group. But if you plan and commit mass brutal violence, with a political or religious motivation, to make a point, without particularly trying to get away with it, I class that as an act or terror, especially when there are two of you.
“This wasn’t a terrorist incident…”
Oh?
Reports certainly indicate the victims had other passengers were terrorised.
It would be interesting to know if all the victims were white. Isn’t this usually the way it works out?
If you look back at the evidence and records, black people have been causing trouble, and even riots, since they arrived. I think it was 1952 when the first black disorder kicked off. There is even evidence before that (1900s) of black seafarers causing trouble in seaport towns. See Simon Webb’s excellent YouTube video on this.
This. You have made the crucial point!
He said: “There is nothing to suggest that this is a terrorist incident”.
Just a dodgy chicken sandwich then. How stupid does he think we are?
I’m sure the victims, fighting for their lives in hospital, will be relieved to know that the people who stabbed them weren’t shouting “Allahu Akhbar”.
Shame on everyone who jumped into conclusions and thought something like this could have been done by members of the Religion of Peace.
If a man attacked me with a knife then I would be terrified. That makes it terrorism. Motive is irrelevant but words matter.
As much as the Far Left blob like to hide ethnicity and background, they also like to hide the lefties favourite drugs as used by former PM Call Me Dave. My money would be on a drug use connection as indeed there is with the synagogue murderer.
Peter Hitchens has been talking about cannabis psychosis for a long time.
I don’t think we are doing any favours by providing excuses for these bits of rubbish.
Definitely not an excuse but it may be a big part of the reason.
It’s not an excuse Hux, it’s an explanation for why their brains don’t work properly any more.
But yes, we have to work out how to deal with it. For people from the Caribbean it’s in their culture innit?
Cannabis psychosis is an old fairy tale of the people who believe that the criminal code is the proper way to deal with a supposed “drug problem” of society despite decades of real-world evidence have shown this to be both very costly and completely ineffective. And it’s a completely idiotic fairy tale because this combination of terms make just as much as talking about alcohol-fuelled precision and efficiency. Cannabis turns people into couch potatoes who no have interest in anything save eating, watching TV and consuming more cannabis (and maybe, have sex, although this distracts from consuming more cannabis and requires a certain, bodily exertion).
People who are already mad obviously don’t become saner by consuming drugs on top of that.
I’ve got to come in here. You are talking complete nonsense, from apparent total ignorance.
When you spend 30 years in company of people who have mental illnesses to varying depths, and find out that the vast majority of them have spent a lifetime on the ganja, you realise that you don’t need a medical qualification to make the connection. There is a reason why mental illness is very prevalent in older black males from a working class societal bracket, and it’s not racism (as some would have you believe).
My brother went off to uni at the age of 18. Unfortunately cannabis caught his attention, and he spent almost every day onwards living on the stuff, the stronger the better.
From his late 30s he has been a mental wreck. He cannot work and experiences frequent persistent paranoid auditory illusions. He hears people everywhere plotting to kill him. All the while he continued to use cannabis daily. Overuse of cannabis has destroyed what was a capable and intelligent man.
It makes me angry to hear people say what you have said; “Cannabis is harmless”. I’m sorry to say it, but that is total bullshit.
I’ve also known people like that in the past. The occasional spliff of a weekend is not what is problematic, but it’s when rolling a joint is your first priority when you wake up, go to bed at night and everything in between. The heavy habitual users are definitely the ones to be watched.
People who consume lots of Cannabis don’t roll joints, that’s a far too inefficent method of consumption. That’s what pupils do at school. Or other occasional users. The most common device is a so-called Bong (see Wikipedia) and there various technical improvements in the sense that they’re cheaper and more effective. The technically best is probably a so-called bucket which is composed of a bucket of water and a plastic bottle whose bottom has been cut off. To use that, some device capable of holding a tobacco-hashish mixture has to put over the mouth of the bottle. Perforated kitchen-foil will do but something capable of holding a fine sieve is better. The bottle is pushed into the bucket and the mixture inserted into the head. This is then set alight and the bottle pulled up until only its lower end is still in the water. The head is removed and the smoke in the bottle inhaled while pusing it down. I’d agree that people which have such a bucket next to their bed and routinely start the day with having a couple of them in quick sucession show a pattern of problematic consumption, especially if the water in the bucked… Read more »
I didn’t write Cannabis is harmless but gaven an accurate description of the effects. The story about your brother is culture war bullshit. It doesn’t work in this way. You’ve confused that with amphetamines which indeed can cause such effects. But that’s because they’re stimulating and not sedating which Cannabis is.
“Culture war bullshit”. Well done, you found out that I made up what I said about my brother. Were you Sherlock Holmes in a previous life? If not him, some other genius, maybe?
I shared a story just yesterday of a loony from the Congo stabbing a German bloke 8 times at Dublin airport. He was diagnosed as having schizophrenia and had a history of cannabis use. Just one case, and I haven’t got round to delving further for evidence, but paranoid delusions and aggression are definitely linked to these pot heads and their behaviour.
Possibly but it seems unusual for there to be two of them- those things are usually lone nutcases I would have thought
Nutcases are easily persuaded to follow nutty religions.
True – but two of them suggests collusion and planning – if done to make a political or religious point then IMO it’s an act of terrorism, even if they are not part of some “official” organised group.
Recent updates say that only the 32 year old is now under suspicion of the stabbing attacks, the other 35 year old man has been found not to have been involved.
So maybe it was a lone nutter, though puzzling that the other bloke was not released much earlier
Our highly intelligent defence secretary this morning said that he doesn’t rule out airport style security scanners at stations. Has he ever caught a train at a country station. Most don’t have staff these days so who will man these scanners. Moron
It’s simplicity itself: People simply must be prohibited from leaving their own homes unless strip-searched by dedicated security staff posted to each street first. Because everyone knows, the most effective way to fight crime is more onerous state invasion into the private lives of law-abiding people. It’s also crucial that all people are forced to take their shoes off before they’re allowed to enter a pedestrian zone and they must be arrested when carrying dangerous goods like toothpaste in public without a good reason.
Just waiting for the next interview –
if only all the passengers had digital ID, this whole tragedy could have been prevented. How exactly Minister? Well we’re still working on that, but it would make it easier for us, sorry I meant them, to access their bank account, which is good isn’t it?
The Secretary of State for Defence has said this:
“But I think it requires us all to be more vigilant, more vigilant about our electronic devices, about the risk of cyber fraud and cyber attack and just be more vigilant for looking out for others around us.”
Presumably this has something to do with people on a train with large knives, although for the life of me I can’t see how.
Agreed.
Why should we have to be “more vigilance?” This country has never ordinarily been prone to mass murderous attacks on its citizens. Could the minister look in to this and report back?
Perhaps he has inside knowledge that the perpetrators were only trying to snatch mobile phones, but the non-vigilant passengers just put them in their pockets rather than leaving them at home?
You would think, if capable of thought, that stealing a phone inside a locked metal tube (which is what a moving train is) would make for a very restricted chance of escaping with your booty.
A street robbery you can understand, but not this.
And yes I did get your sarcastic comment too.
Well fancy that…every “mishap” has a positive. In this case more digital surveillance. Well I didn’t see that coming.
Trains don’t even run on time, so how can this be factored in? Who would want to do it anyway? Oh, it will be Mitie or one of the other companies won’t it?
Hmm
Fishy
There were two of them so doesn’t really fit the lone nutcase attack
Two geezers travelling together got into a beef with lots of other passengers?
Robbery gone wrong?
Smells like planned attack to me – that is terrorism
Maybe they were climate protesters.
In which case they will be let off by the judge.
They’ll probably be let off anyway and drive away in a Motability car.
That is NOT the conclusion we need tof.
10 people stabbed and 9 with life-threatening injuries and this immediately after the train left a station makes no sense for attempted robbery. This people meant to kill, not to take something and then get off the train with it somehow.
Yes, hard to believe it was not planned.
Which is presumably why TPTB are struggling. Welsh Christian schoolboys going a bit OTT on a Saturday might out?
If it turns out that these 2 are Islamic converts do you think we will be told? I don’t.
There is now only one, and he doesn’t need to be a Muslim to be a terrorist, if all the victims were “white”, stabbed by an Ethnic African. He is an Anti-White Genocidal Terrorist.
Time to replace tasers with glocks, sigs, h&ks.
That would deal with these scum expeditiously and send a suitable message.
Stop fannying around, hair on fire. Do the business.
Yes, and it seems at least one of them told the police to kill him before he was arrested.
I’m beginning to think that having all police armed is going to happen, even though some of those I see about look like they might struggle to point a firearm in the right direction.
All British people carry machetes on a train, don’t they? Whenever I go on a train journey I run through a list of things to remember “phone, clean pants, watch, machete!” Comes in handy if I’ve forgotten to cut up my sandwiches 🥪!
Deepest condolences to all those affected by these disgusting monsters, hopes and prayers for their complete recoveries 🙏
They had cucumber sandwiches, probably, being British people
What, no ham with that?
If they’d made them during the afternoon, no. And cucumber and ham is not a favourite combination, they tend to be a bit slippery.
‘Caribbean assent’ – do you mean with a Caribbean accent?
I don’t know if that was an error in the original Telegraph article (very likely) but if so they have changed it already!
“Descent” is what I heard.
One was black and the other was of Caribbean assent? Of cause, he must be one of those white Caribbeans!
Quite a lot of Carribeans are a bit white or Indian or Chinese. It’s the future for England.
Extra police will be on the railways, says the govt on the news just now – to reassure passengers, incuding at Huntingdon. Why, is Huntingdon at special risk?
Something must (be seen) to be done… let’s not address any underlying issues though
I see we must expect to see an increased police presence at stations ‘until Tuesday’. Goodness, that will make a difference.
Surprisingly few calls to bring back capital punishment for mass murders. I wonder why?
For the sake of clarity (and any jobsworths monitoring speech) I do not generally support capital punishment, being civilised and all. But mass murders suggest not only prolonged intent to kill but a possibility that the same would happen in the future if the opportunity presented itself – so get rid.
If a mass attempted murder is (a) perpetrated by a pair of allied assailants and (b) indiscriminate as to its victims, it is by definition a conspiracy formed to terrorise a wide population.
What would it be other than terrorism? Armed robbery? Personal grudge? A joke gone wrong? Spare me.
I think you will find in due course that the British “National” of Caribbean descent suffers from “mental ishoos” so this has absolutely nothing to do with race, culture, religion, flooding the Country with undesirables… its just one of those regrettable things about which absolutely nothing can be done.
And by the way, did you at all know that most murders and rapes are committed by white men. So immigration isn’t a problem, see?
The ideology of the assailants is obviously unclear as yet. But as regards “not terrorism”, in general terms it seems (according to Mayar Tousi) that the “terrorism” label now depends on the announcement of a specific ideology. This is clearly nonsense – as I understand it the Lebanese experience was of isolated violence against non-Muslims, followed by no-go areas of Palestinian refugees for non-Muslims (not a specific named terrorist organisation), sealed off by road-blocks and attacks on vehicles, followed by mass attacks by said Palestinians leading to civil war and take-over of the country, its organs now coerced into making Lebanon an Arab State rather than a Christian one. Hezbollah consolidates in the wake of that, not so much beforehand. All of that could be achieved – and can be achieved here – without any publicly named terrorist organisation (Antifa led the way in that decentralisation) or advanced warnings of motive (as in the Manchester synagogue attack). All it takes is enough violence to cow the populace and, especially, to out-perform the security services, and a plan to bully the government into sharing, then ceding, power. Unlike Lebanon, where at least the government armed its civilians, we’re not even allowed… Read more »
“Shabana Mahmood said she was “deeply saddened”
Ah well, that’s OK then, problem solved.
Yes, even the Legacy Media noticed.
Police statement- “there is nothing to suggest that this is terrorist related”.
Lee Rigby?
It’s not terrorist related until the general population calm down a bit from the initial surge of anger. Once the immediate danger of riots has passed the police will learn more details about the attacker and it might turn out he was a Muslim convert/inspired by IS. Or he might have a severe mental health problem that he didn’t get treatment for because the overstretched NHS is too busy treating millennial snowflakes for “anxiety”.
If all his victims were “white”, the Ethnic African is an Anti-White Genocidal Terrorist.
Remember what the Nigerian murderer shouted after his cowardly machete attack on unarmed Fusilier Lee Rigby, after first running him over with a car so he could not defend himself?
He shouted that he and his Nigerian Accomplice were “HERE TO START A RACE WAR!”
Cops at Huntingdon searching under cars in station car park – does the attack have something to do with Huntigdon, beyond the fact that the train stopped there?
Don’t know, perhaps they are simply being thorough and taking precautions.
I don’t believe anyone could know that the train would be stopped at Huntingdon, that was a decision made by the driver in contact with the signallers as they put the train onto a track with a platform as Huntingdon has 4 tracks but only 2 through platforms .
We haven’t heard they were choir boys yet.
Huntingdon was Oliver Cromwell’s constituency. It looks like the terror is moving to middle England. QED
You can take thr man out of Africa, but Africa’s DNA cannot be taken out of the man.
Wonder if they’ll turn out to be Muslamic converts?
Whatever the final knowledge about them, this goes to prove, again, that the greatest error we ever made was letting any third world people into our land.
The knifeman might have been suffering from “mental health”– to use the term with its current nonsensical meaning.
Yes, “mental health” that only made the Ethnic African stab White People.
Yet again, the police immediately declare that this mass murder attempt was not terrorism. Yet again, we are expected to believe it’s only another case of “mental health problems”, or “a difficult childhood”, or “racist bullying”, blah, blah, blah.
Terrorism is defined as “the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims”.
The armed attacker was an Ethnic African, whose precise place of birth is irrelevant, and whose “mental health” is also irrelevant, because if his victims were all Ethnic Europeans, and he said “the devil is not going to win”, then he is just another Anti-White Genocidal Terrorist Murderer…
“using violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims”,
in this case, to EXTERMINATE THE WHITE MAN, who has been universally demonised as a prelude to Genocide.
“Avoid comment and speculation”. Britain, you are in a real mess, if this is the best your Home Secretary can do. Perhaps reassure the citizens of this country a transit cop will now be on every train in the country, maybe reassure your citizens, their safety and security are your number one priority. Although we all know that is not true.
oh and by the way, has anyone seen your prime minister?
Pity he didn’t stab 11 dinghys
According to the police, nothing to do with terrorism, but they don’t know what the motive was. Anyone else see the problem here?
That’s their usual claim: It’s not terrorism because the motive is unknown. I suspect that they’re well aware that there’s an organized terror campaign against the population which has been going on for a while and just don’t want to admit that because it doesn’t fit into the Diversity is our strength! song the population is supposed to sing all the time.