Every Adult in Britain to Be Forced to Have a Digital ID Card Under New Keir Starmer Plan
Every adult in Britain will be forced to have a Government-issued digital ID card under “dystopian” proposals designed to tackle illegal immigration set to be announced by Sir Keir Starmer. The Mail has more.
The idea of a mandatory identification system has long been advocated by Labour as a way to tackle illegal migration.
But it is fiercely opposed by civil rights campaigners, who say it risks turning everyday life into a “dystopian nightmare”.
Detailed plans for what has been dubbed a ‘Brit card’ could be announced by the Prime Minister as early as tomorrow before being subject to consultation.
Under the proposals, anyone starting a new job or renting a property would be required to show their digital ID so it can be checked against a central database.
Currently, employees have the option of showing a number of different forms of digital ID, but there are fears these are too early to fake.
France has repeatedly claimed that the lack of ID cards in the UK acts as a pull factor for Channel migrants, who are able to find work in the black economy.
Earlier this month, the PM said that digital IDs could “play an important part” in making Britain less attractive to illegal migrants.
However critics of the scheme warned it could turn the country into a “dystopian nightmare” if people are forced into ID checks “to go about our everyday lives”.
Rebecca Vincent, of Big Brother Watch, said: “While Downing Street is scrambling to be seen as doing something about illegal immigration, we are sleepwalking into a dystopian nightmare where the entire population will be forced through myriad digital checkpoints to go about our everyday lives.
“Mandatory digital ID… will not stop small boat crossings, but it will create a burden on the already law-abiding population to prove our right to be here.
“It will turn Britain into a ‘Papers, please’ society.” …
Conservative Justice Spokesman Robert Jenrick also criticised the proposal earlier this month. He said: “Most employers who are employing individuals illegally are doing so knowingly.
“Asking them to check ID cards rather than the current checks that they are already obliged to do is not going to make a blind bit of difference to illegal migration.”
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I can believe this but shouldn’t Jenrick back this up with some evidence?
Where’s your P45? Don’t have one? What’s your NI Number? Don’t have one?
The only purpose of immigration legal or illegal is ready supply of cheap labour.
Meh. According to Search Assist:
If someone ‘borrows’ their cousin’s NI number in order to get gig work what employer will check further? They can continue to work until the tax bods eventually wake up and work out that Mr Whatever has been in gainful employment in six different cities simultaneously.
Yes, the employer is culpable, but are they ‘knowingly’… Go on, prove it in court.
The Great Replacement?
Here’s the link to sign the petition
Do not introduce Digital ID cards – Petitions https://share.google/HPq9fCHoYu4KYeR5r
Just tried to sign then realised it’s an old petition, so signed already
no there is a new one
Link above from Dinger is one I’ve signed before…
Already signed.Twice.
It’s increasing by about 61,000 per hour
“Now then, Mr Cheap Labour, I would have paid you cash in hand to do this job but now that Keir has said no I shan’t do it.”
Hmm.
Whut? Not pay him after he’s done the work? Come to think of it that’s one way of deterring illegal working.
It is a curious thing about these nitwits, they imagine that people who disregard one law will not break a new law to stop them breaking the old one.
We need regulation because of unscrupulous businesses – as if unscrupulous businesses will heed the regulations.
And of course – there is a huge industry in fake IDs. Digital IDs will be much easier because being non-material, irregularities in paper, ink, water-marks, photos, signatures, etc will not be there.
AI will be able to do Digital IDs no problem, and fake websites will misdirect traffic from Gov websites to confirm identity. And cybernauts will crash Gov websites, steal information.
Apart from that – great idea.
^This.
We had a proposal to lower the speed limit on a local road because some people were speeding along it.
Seriously.
Someone I know managed to get on the list of people “vaccinated” against “Covid” for a few hundred quid.
They was ripped off.
Seriously: Good for them. I guess they really needed to prove their vaccinated status for travel or something?
Needed to travel for self employed work
I had to go to two separate hospitals for something and nothing and on both occasions asked to declare I had been jabbed. I simply told they had been jabbed in France and they accepted that without asking for proof.
I don’t remember that being “vaccinated” was a mandatory requirement for medical treatment in the UK.
Well let’s try to be positive, anyone who gets off a boat illegally won’t be able to access any services such as dentist, doctor etc etc. so Stasi will have to give them special rights above legal citizens. Now that will be two tier!
Well, the ID scheme is only the start of the plan to ban cash.
I’ve got no problem with carrying around a Government-issued ID, but I’m buggered if I’m going to link my health and financial records to it.
I suspect you won’t be given the option.
And then you really will be buggered.
I can’t really imagine bigpharma would have the slightest interest as regards your digital health ID
Surely not.
See that once again is the use of fear, these politicians are meant to serve us, not the other way around, they are meant to be frightened of the public not the other way around, they are not my Master, and they do not get to f@@k me, even if they are partial to supporting the many child rapists.
Its being said that it is to stem illegal immigration, but its actually the first phase of social credit scoring.’We see you. We see what you are doing’…
There’s one obvious problem with the suggestion that this will deter gimmigrants – it won’t.
Those intent on coming here CGAF about digital ID. Whatever ID they had they “lost” as soon as they got in a dhingy, they couldn’t care less. What are they here for? A life of retirement from the day of arrival, permanent accommodation, free health care and free legal services, and a weekly income for doing F all. ‘Nice and tidy’ as we say round here.
Now if we guarantee all illegals will be rounded up and locked in internment camps until the next boat to South Georgia or Ascension Island, accommodated under luxurious tarpaulin with two “eats” per day and no free legals, no free only emergency health care, no spends, we might see some progress in stopping the invasion. As there is no intention to do this the invasion isn’t going to stop.
Legals – Border Closed. Permanently. Export all those claiming benefits, even if only a buss pass.
This digital ID has nothing to do with the gimmigrants. Absolutely NOTHING.
Apart from the hoping that it will switch media attention from McSweeney and Burnham for the duration of the party conference, Starmer’s main reason for wanting digital ID is that he’s an instinctive Stalinist. He likely has wet dreams about government through the scamdemic..
Should it actually happen and seem to work it will take a couple of weeks for migrant friendly lawyers to launch a challenge in the high court demanding that IDs be given to illegal immigrants on arrival, ‘to protect their human rights’. Such a challenge would naturally be funded by the taxpayer.
Absolutely. Once again, the “Conspiracy Theorists” are being proven right.
We already have an ID card: a driving licence photo ID card.
Why duplicate this with yet another ruinously expensive government initiative. Only the perennially thick as mince could believe that to be ‘a good idea’.
All those genuine citizens without a driving licence should be issued with one with authorised vehicle categories empty.
This might have the useful side effect of encouraging all those bicyclists currently clogging up our roads to take a driving test and get a car!
Indeed- it’s called a Provisional Driving Licence. My kids got them as soon as they were old enough so they had proof of their age.
Because it’s a job creation scheme for the Home Office (or its contractors), perhaps?
Looks like you are spot on. Thales will have a strong lobby presence in Whitehall.
https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/digital-identity-and-security/government/identity
‘To prepare for a Labour government, lobby firms began establishing dedicated ‘Labour Units’. They hired former Labour MPs and staffers to make use of their contact networks, with a few even snapping up prospective candidates or seconding staff members directly into the offices of senior party figures. Lobbying firms Global Counsel, Lowick Group, FGS Global and Weber Shandwick have all sent members of staff to work in the offices of senior Labour figures in the past two years – at a combined cost to the firms of more than £100,000.’
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/lovebombed-by-lobbyists-how-starmer-labour-became-the-party-of-big-business/
‘Polycarbonate’ cards!? I thought they wanted ZERO carbon!
The lobbyists have got that covered:
‘One of polycarbonate’s key advantages is its exceptional durability and long lifespan, which can help reduce waste by minimising the need for frequent replacements.
This makes polycarbonate a valuable material in applications where longevity is essential, such as in construction or electronics.
Polycarbonate can also be recycled, further increasing its lifespan.’
How long before there are more ID Cards in circulation even than the highest population number estimate by 20%. Just like NI numbers.
Not long.
Good business.
perhaps you’ve hit on one possible benefit – we could get an accurate number for 80 million plus population for once… vs the made up figures constantly used
“France has repeatedly claimed that the lack of ID cards in the UK acts as a pull factor for Channel migrants, who are able to find work in the black economy.”
France has had compulsory ID cards for decades… and one if the biggest black economies in Europe and mostly home-grown, not immigrants.
Anyway. It won’t happen. Starmer announcing it isn’t the same Parliament passing it and putting it into operation, and people accepting it.
In any case Government and anything to do with IT is always a disaster, but sure to cost £billions.
The pull factor is the 4 star accomodation, the free money, the free health service, the child rape opportunities, and the freedom to do what the heck they like. No I.D. card will stop them, but taking away the money, the accomodation, the housing, the ability to bring in family members, the free health care and schooling and the access to young girls, that might have a preventative effect.
But its not about controlling migrants its about controlling and suppresing us.
I have just posted similar.
If these illegal immigrants are in France, do they have French IDs? If not, obviously IDs didn’t stop them getting there and being there.
But then again nothing is really said to make much sense. It’s jist noise.
Good point. Digital ID hasn’t stopped them there, so why would it here!
Just what I was about to say.
And then a new market in fake ID cards will be created. We are surrounded by a massive moat, that is so large it has storms and tides. It is really easy to defend our shores. Imagine if this was post Dunkirk and our border forcer had gone to mid channel to escort the Germans ashore and our Government had locked anyone up flying a Union Jack or anyone saying anything bad about the invaders.
The Labour Party will approve any authoritarian measure and opposition will likely only come from Reform.
Having a big price tag makes it more attractive to Labour MPs and their business supporters. They will need a couple of quangos for this; just think of the jobs available.
And there are plenty of Tories who seem to support it e.g. Hague, plus many of the general public, so it will have no difficulty getting through Parliament.
Every adult except the millions of illegals.
Is TTFGOQ Keir really so thick that he thinks people who employ illegal immigrants will all of a sudden start doing digital ID checks and knocking their cash-in-handers back?
yes, it appears that he is… or he doesn’t care and just wants to get started on the social credit score system so he can really f*** up people he doesn’t like saying nasty things
No, of course not. It’s not about “stopping the migrants” on any level. Why would he want to stop importing Labour voters?
Digital ID incoming. Cash outgoing.
This will do nothing to stop illegal immigration and they know it. This is a poorly disguised technocratic attack on our liberties. All part of the social credit system that the massive data centres are being built for. Digital ID was not in Labour’s manifesto for a good reason, they know we don’t want it. Do not comply.
Unfortunately I’m afraid people will comply. All they have to do is find the right scare story and call the non-compliant ‘far right’ often enough on the BBC
Neither myself nor my wife have a smart-phone, indeed my wife has dementia and cannot use a telephone. As non smart phone users, one issue with this digital I.D. business that comes to my mind is that this Official Government scheme is predicated on people buying a smart-phone and paying to keep it connected to the mobile phone network. This whole scheme seems to depend on the mobile phone networks providing a sound reliable connection. Our village depends on 1 mobile phone mast, if there is a power cut the mobile phone mast cuts out and there is no mobile phone signal. All very odd and disturbing.
Yes the weak link is the electricity supply and the cost of it. If the data centres are going to hoover up all the electricity then what are the rest of us going to use? Back to analogue I would suggest – paper and cash.
As they are accepting the “Asylum” claims of just about every dodgy nutjob who makes it into the country, they will get their own IDs handed to them by the Government. How does this stop them coming here?
It doesn’t matter what our hapless PM wants, or even what parliament wants. The civil service are already introducing digital id’s.
They are starting with anyone who is a director of a company – which, b they say, is 6-7 million people, or a tenth of the population.
Details here: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/verifying-your-identity-for-companies-house
Quite correct. The system is not fit for purpose and forces those that the IT cannot verify to use private, expensive verified legal bodies. One of my directors had to do this in spite of having a biometric valid passport, new IPhone with government app, and many other forms of identification. Putting our lives in these hands is terrifying. Particularly for those on life-depending repeat medical prescriptions. Sorry, computer says no.
Had to do that a while back… and also recently as an employee check…
I don’t know what an English policeman “just checking that you’re not currently wanted by the police for anything” (not literally a quote, but as close as I could make it) which has happened to me a couple of times in the past would do with someone without an ID on him but I’m certainly not willing to try that¹.
¹ In Germany, they’re entitled to arrest you on the spot, take you to a police station and keep you there “until your identiy has been determined.”
It’s the same as when Tony Bliar tried to push this muck years ago.
Nothing to do with illegal immigration – the purpose is to bully and control the law-abiding population.
How much will we be epected to pay for these mandatory IDs? Another way of squeezing our pips.
What is the benefit to me?
How long will an ID be valid for?
What happens when I die?
How secure is the system that manages it?
And are pensioners exempt?
No-one knows, because this absurd scheme is just stupid soundbites with no tech spec. The HA Committee enquiry hasn’t even convened yet. It’s all bullshit from – yes, you guessed it! – the Tony Blair Institute, which unfortunately is not a well-funded house of confinement to keep the man under lock and key in a padded cell. But I’ll try to answer your questions, speaking as a veteran of NO2ID (2005): What is the benefit to me? None. This system is for the benefit of government. How long will an ID be valid for? Depends. Probably on whether the Highly Paid IT Consultants who “deliver” it need a quick boost to their share price, in which case they’ll lobby to have us all re-apply for a card. At a cost. This will be made legal by Statutory Instrument, without a vote, of course. What happens when I die? Palantir, Google, and any hacker with a spare $.05 in Bitcoin will get to look through the intime details of your life. Just like when you were alive, then! Think of it as a kind of immortality. How secure is the system that manages it? Picture “a sieve with big rusty holes… Read more »
Sorry, I forgot your first question. It’ll be touted as free, of course. Then “unexpected technical difficulties” (tr. “We can’t manage IT projects”) will mean that the cost of the system will balloon by 1000%. So it won’t be free. Ha ha, too late, the law will be law by then. Oh, and any price increases will also be by Statutory Instrument: convenient when the Home Sec wants to do the Chancellor a favour and drum up some “free” cash.
Now there is a selling point – get your Brit Card (I already hate that name) and get guaranteed immortality.
‘Why do we actually need it’?
We don’t.
Think Fujitsu and the Post Office scandal.
Everyone from aged 16 here legally already have a unique ID number (your NI number).
Any digital ID card is therefore totally unnecessary for the purpose of identifying illegal immigrants.
So I really wonder why on earth The RPTB are pushing this.
Unless it’s to have total control over your way of life,digital banking, digital/mandatory jabs/health records etc. etc.
It’s all about CONTROL.
The Elites are recognising that bread and circuses will no longer be enough to control the masses.
Covid/ and the jabs was just a test bed.
Trouble is our governments have been so efficient there are more numbers in use than the population. If a unique NI numbers were so successful why have we all got HMRC numbers as well.
The British State can’t organise a piss up in a brewery
National Insurance numbers are issued when we are born.
Not a lot of people know that.
…and not cancelled in the event of childhood death or emigration
And if we refuse? what exactly will they do? stop us accessing the NHS? well lets face it unless you are an ilegal that’s pretty much the case now.
Stop us working? well it strikes me that most of the delivery drivers, the Deliveroo company etc already use people who I suspect are not issued with an NI number.
take away our savings and money well Rachel is already doing that and dispersing it to people who get on an orange boat to get here.
So exactly what will they do to us if we refuse, after all the jails are we are told already full.
I think this calls for a a massive civil disobedience by the tax paying public and an absolute refusal to take part. frankly to do otherwise is putting the Labour choke chain around your own neck.
The problem is 95% of the population will just go with it… a la Covibollox
What if you don’t have a smart phone.
You’ll still have a digital ID but won’t be able to prove it.
You. Will. Cooperate.
The main issue is not a digital ID card, but the scheme behind it. All government databases will be cross-referenced to produce a single ID for each person. At the moment we can provide various bits of paper to show we’re who we assert we are, but in future if they don’t all lead back to a single ID we’ll be cooked.
It’s nothing to do with having to carry a card and everything to do with control of what we’re allowed to do. Want to buy cigarettes?; add that to your health record.
The widely hated and pilloried Data Protection Act specifically prevented cross-referencing personal information for purposes other than what it was gathered for. Now that’s inconvenient for government well ‘of course, it doesn’t apply to us’.
A single ID database will be more efficient for government and convenient for most subjects but can we trust future governments to be benign? Personally, I don’t trust that our current government is benign.
The new Afghan government (Taliban) inherited the payroll database from the occupying coalition. That went well, didn’t it?
Of course that can’t happen here. Nobody would abuse government data ever. No, not at all at all.
Apparently it’s all going to be based on our mobile phone, so how will my 90 year old parents who have never owned a phone or computer going to get along. If mobile phone based, do well imagine one migrant won’t lend history phone to another to get work or a rental property? Bunch of prats
Typo
‘are fears these are too early to fake. ‘
Should be ‘too easy to fake’
I will not comply, they can chuck me in prison first.
Spin out the admin and claim too soon to affect illegals. Reform to announce no life long Brit need have one.
With controlled borders this would not be necessary.
And did we ask for this?
But it’s good news, surely? They’ll be able to spot illegal immigrants working illegally, and transfer them back to benefits.
Keir Rodney Starmer. Nationality British, allegiance EU.
Is Rodney really 2TKs real middle name? What a plonker…
The way I see it, it’s going to take at least five years to get this implemented, so I doubt it will get to see the light under Labour. I think there’s even a high chance that a lot of money will be spent and it will never happen.
I hope you’re right. Except the bit about a lot of money.
Seeing the name Rodney I couldn’t help thinking of Only Fools and Horses – AKA the British Government.
“Rodney, you plonka!”