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transmissionofflame
6 months ago

““Church and peers must back assisted dying bill, says ex-archbishop” Lord Carey told bishops and peers in the House of Lords yesterday to endorse the legislation because public support is high and they “risk their legitimacy” if they oppose it”

I find this doubly weird. Firstly I wonder what the Bible says about “assisted dying”, secondly what happened following your conscience?

JDee
JDee
6 months ago

Where did Carey get the notion of high public support from. Was it from surveys which asked leading questions, showing no downside?

transmissionofflame
6 months ago
Reply to  JDee

Not sure
It was not in the Labour manifesto
Surely Carey and others should follow their conscience not some dodgy poll

Jon Garvey
6 months ago

It appears that their conscience is dictated by dodgy polls.

transmissionofflame
6 months ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

Former head of the Anglican Church seems morally bankrupt

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  JDee

The downside is the fear that other people may influence the decision of a dying person to speed their own death. All the doubts are not about the act and its beneficiaries, but are about the potential malevolent actions by people who would benefit from their deaths.

Dinger64
6 months ago

👏

MajorMajor
MajorMajor
6 months ago

I think the Bible is fairly clear: do not kill.
”Assisted dying” is just a euphemism for killing.

transmissionofflame
6 months ago
Reply to  MajorMajor

I would imagine so but I have not studied the Bible.

At least we have moved on to calling it “assisted dying” from “assisted suicide”, but yes basically it’s a new category of killing that used to be classed as murder that is now legal.

For a fist full of roubles

And yet we kill our pets out of compassion.

transmissionofflame
6 months ago

I guess some people believe humans and animals are two different things entirely and/or we have some inbuilt sense that killing your own is wrong or not a good idea. I eat meat so I clearly don’t regard animals in the same way I regard humans. I don’t torture animals, but I do kill insects sometimes.

EppingBlogger
6 months ago

They are. Humans are capable of higher thought than animals even though many don’t bother using their brain.

transmissionofflame
6 months ago
Reply to  EppingBlogger

Agreed

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  MajorMajor

I would be happy if Christians were allowed to avoid any responsibility, however there are an awful lot of non-Christians for whom the words of the Bible are not binding.
A literal reading of the Bible would mean that no Christian nation would ever engage in war, or are there exceptions and qualifications to “do not kill”?

Jon Garvey
6 months ago

Of course there are exceptions and qualifications – Christianity is not Jainism. The Bible implies that our lives belong to God, because he made us, and murder is the taking of human life without just cause in his eyes.

Therefore there are circumstances where the taking of life in just retribution or self defence is not murder, which also covers the whole discussion of just war.

As a doctor who had daily contact with terminal disease, it always amazed me that the move to legalise euthanasia only got legs after the development of advanced palliative care by people like Cicely Saunders (whom I met).

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Jon Garvey

A close friend, a devout Christian, who died from aggressive pancreatic cancer hated every moment of his palliative care as it robbed him of his ability to think clearly and did little for the pain.
He was in limbo trying to get his business affairs tied up and had no date to work to. He died abruptly months before the initial prognosis had indicated, and his wife has remained bitter as a consequence of the deficiencies of his treatment.
I vowed after that that I did not want to repeat anything like his treatment, and as such welcome this new legislation.

pjar
6 months ago

Left-wing activist who said ‘kill them all’ after Kirk shooting won’t be arrested

Ms Hayes should consider herself fortunate that she didn’t add the phrase “for all I care” to her post.

The parallels to the Connolly case are obvious and Connnolly’s treatment by the justice system is made even more stark by the fact that they arrived at the right conclusion this time.

EppingBlogger
6 months ago
Reply to  pjar

It depends who you want to have killed. Pick the people TTK doesn’t like and say what you like.

Heretic
Heretic
6 months ago
Reply to  pjar

Spot on. And Lucy Connolly is still under the restrictions of “Probation Supervision” until the end of her long sentence, while Ms Hayes runs free, unpunished for making death threats, because she’s a Leftist, just like the Ethnic African Ricky Jones.

Lockdown Sceptic
6 months ago

“Trump’s pledge to end censorship rings hollow with sacking of Jimmy Kimmel over his comments on Charlie Kirk murder, says the Telegraph.”

Typical Telegraph nonsense. Why should we keep pandering to the left? Jimmy Kimmel was sacked by his own TV bosses anyway.

In case the Telegraph hasn’t noticed the left has moved on to cancelling lives, not tweets, and the left’s TV pundits seem to have no problem with this.

Kevin Maguire described Charlie Kirk as a “far right agitator”.

Old Arellian
Old Arellian
6 months ago

Or as I call him – Tweedleleft”

For a fist full of roubles

Jimmy Kimmel was sacked for lying. The assassin was nowhere near the right of politics or the MAGA movement.

Dinger64
6 months ago

“America’s powerful conservatism is now influencing Britain”
“Close identification with Donald Trump may do Nigel Farage no favours”
Charles Moore in the Telegraph.

Good!
Charles Moore has obviously been to too many Mayfair dinner parties! He has no idea how to read the current political room, what a blind tit!
(No offence to real tits intended)

Heretic
Heretic
6 months ago
Reply to  Dinger64

“Charles Moore has obviously been to too many Mayfair dinner parties!”
Absolute classic— well said, Dinger.

Dinger64
6 months ago

“Asylum seekers scoff at Shabana Mahmood’s chances of removing them under the UK’s ‘one in, one out’ deal with France”

Removing them? One in, one out?
-1 + 1 =1!

Old Arellian
Old Arellian
6 months ago
Reply to  Dinger64

Sums even I can do!

Dinger64
6 months ago

“Border Force staff threaten strikes”

And who,pray tell, would fu@king notice?

Heretic
Heretic
6 months ago

Christians should try to look at this from God’s point of view. Imagine Him looking down from Heaven at the suffering Satan has caused you, in order to persuade you to throw away the Gift of Life and thereby Fail The Test of your Soul, and watching Satan gloat as you not only plan to throw God’s gift away, but also to persuade someone else to murder you, not in self-defence, or to protect someone, but in cold blood. For profit.

That will be TWO HUMAN SOULS that Satan can claim.

Heretic
Heretic
6 months ago
Reply to  Heretic

Neither does anyone have the right to force you to live when you would normally die.

No doctor has the right to chop off all your limbs after you have contracted meningitis from “Symptomless Carriers of Meningitis” imported from the Third World, and then keep you artificially alive for years, unable to move or sometimes even speak.

The horrific suffering of patients is often caused by doctors themselves, in their efforts to force you to remain alive, for example, by cutting organs out of dead people to transplant into you, even their faces, when you would normally die, because it is time for your physical form to die and your immortal soul to re-enter the spirit world whence you came.

None of it is God’s fault.

Heretic
Heretic
6 months ago

RFK panel votes to restrict children’s access to measles vaccines” – A medical panel hand-picked by Robert F Kennedy has voted to restrict access to a combined vaccine for measles, mumps, rubella and varicella (MMRV) for children under four”

This is a huge victory for common sense, and Robert F. Kennedy deserves the highest praise for using the power he has been given in order to save millions of children.

I look forward to the day when Dr. Andrew Wakefield is honoured in his own ancestral homeland, awarded a knighthood for his services to humanity.

Freddy Boy
6 months ago

13 Isle of Wight National Trust volunteer Gardeners get the Chop but they don’t know which of the Myriad DEI regulations they seem to have breached !

Heretic
Heretic
6 months ago

May I add this news in support of British Farmers:

Johnny Depp’s new rescue dog ‘mauls two sheep to death’ after breaking free during walk | LBC

In fairness, he wasn’t at home at the time— it was one of his staff.

“Depp was said to be “really upset” when he learned of the incident.
The source continued: “He keeps himself to himself and loves the area for how tranquil it is.
“People there let him get on with his life.
“This is not the type of thing that he wanted to happen in his backyard.
“A trainer has now been brought in and all the precautions have been set up to make sure this doesn’t happen again.”

Not good enough.
Any dog that attacks humans or livestock should be killed.