We Shouldn’t Welcome Right-Wing Cancel Culture

I didn’t follow Charlie Kirk closely, but he was by all accounts a decent man, a loving father and a devoted husband. On top of that, he championed free speech and debate. His entire career involved going around the country and hashing out the issues of the day with left-wing college students. He even organised debates between different factions on the right. So kudos to him—and sincere condolences to his family.  

Regrettably, leftists across America have been celebrating or making light of his death, particularly on social media. And this, in turn, has spurred right-wingers to track down those individuals’ employers and get them fired. The right-wingers involved in this campaign include not only social media activists, but also senators and congressmen. Even the Vice President, J.D. Vance, told supporters that “when you see someone celebrating Charlie’s murder” you should “call their employer”.

This morning, the campaign bagged its most high-profile target yet, with talk-show host Jimmy Kimmel being taken off air for some fairly innocuous comments about the “MAGA gang”. (Kimmel had already condemned the killing and offered his condolences to Kirk’s family.) His suspension came after explicit threats from Trump’s FCC chairman that there are “actions we can take on licensed broadcasters”.

Such threats are noteworthy given that one of the very first executive orders Trump signed upon returning to office aimed at “restoring freedom of speech and ending federal censorship”. What is threatening licensed broadcasters if not federal censorship? (The ‘F’ in ‘FCC’ stands for ‘Federal’, by the way.)

Meanwhile, we have Trump’s Attorney General, Pam Bondi, warning that his administration “will absolutely target you, go after you, if you are targeting anyone with hate speech.” Of course, Bondi had to quickly walk back her comments due to a minor legal technicality—that any such targeting would be in blatant violation of the US Constitution. I guess knowing what the Constitution says is too much to ask from the Attorney General.

Those engaged in the campaign of cancel culture have offered two main justifications for their antics. The first is that the Left was doing this for years and is now getting a taste of their own medicine. But this simply isn’t convincing.

To begin with, the Left is not a single actor who did something wrong and should be punished for it. If a specific individual got someone cancelled over an ‘offensive’ comment and then made an ‘offensive’ comment themself, getting that individual cancelled might represent justice. However, we are talking about the cancellation of people who merely share opinions with the people who were getting others cancelled a few years ago. (Kimmel, for example, has criticised cancel culture.)

What’s more, there’s an important principle you might have learned about in primary school, which is that two wrongs don’t make a right. If left-wing activists set off a bomb, should right-wing activists do the same? Obviously not. Either cancel culture is bad, in which case we shouldn’t engage in it, or it’s good, in which case right-wingers have been consistently wrong for the past decade. (Hint: it is bad.)

Finally, getting revenge on ‘the Left’ by engaging in cancel culture seems likely to reinforce the narrative that right-wingers never really cared about free speech and were just invoking the principle opportunistically. As a consequence, it seems likely to reinvigorate the Left’s own censorious tendencies. ‘See, they don’t care, so why should we stop getting people fired for racism and transphobia?’ is a powerful argument.

The second justification right-wing campaigners have offered is that, yes, cancel culture is bad but this isn’t cancel culture—because reasons.

Again, I’m not convinced. Different people find different things offensive and there is no objective definition of ‘offensive’ speech. Yes, publicly celebrating someone’s death is a pretty deranged thing to do, but so is going out of your way to get someone fired over something they said.  

This is not to say that all of the cancellations we’ve heard about were unjustified. At least one teacher allegedly showed a video of the assassination to an elementary school class and was subsequently suspended by the school. Which seems entirely reasonable: snuff films are not appropriate for children. But generally speaking, people should be free to express opinions—even distasteful ones—without fear of losing their jobs.

The Right has spent much of the last decade railing against cancel culture, and was arguably winning the debate. As recently as February, Vance rightly lectured European leaders over their dismal record on free speech. It is a mistake to abandon that position now.

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Arum
Arum
6 months ago

There’s a lot to agree with here. Although of course the USA is another country; they do things differently there. I wonder, if someone prominent in the UK political scene had been assassinated and people took to social media to applaud it, would they be breaking the law?

fla56
6 months ago
Reply to  Arum

sorry but no, Noah seems to have missed the bit where Kimmel seems to have heinously lied about the killer, it was not ‘some fairly innocuous comments’

this is not legal if he knew what he was doing, never mind that it’s all well on the way to incitement -or of course Kimmel’s other despicable incitement directed at Elon Musk

transmissionofflame
6 months ago
Reply to  fla56

What laws did he break with which statements?

JXB
JXB
6 months ago

Defamation, libel, incitement.

That enough for you?

Society is not just a matter of laws, it’s about behaviour one towards another. If bad behaviour is not punished, or worse is rewarded, certainly there will be more of it.

transmissionofflame
6 months ago
Reply to  JXB

Defamation and libel as far as I understand it are more or less the same thing and are reasonably easy to prove because they involve lying about someone or making specific allegations of things they have done that are unproven. It may apply to what Kimmel said except I don’t think it applies to dead people.
Incitement per se is not illegal in the USA, quite rightly if you ask me.
The post I was responding to talked about legality so that was the subject of my post.

Arum
Arum
6 months ago
Reply to  fla56

Would someone be able to sue him over his comments?

JXB
JXB
6 months ago
Reply to  Arum

Possibly. There is a suggestion that could happen as a civil case as named a specific group – Trump’s MAGA movement.

Unfortunately this is not being properly reported. He accused said group of a political killing because of right- wing extremism and said the killer was aligned with them.

This patently is not true.

transmissionofflame
6 months ago
Reply to  Arum

I don’t think so in answer to your question, unless the applause involved targeting a specific protected group under the Equalities Act

Arum
Arum
6 months ago

That’s interesting, given how we’ve seen the law reacting to social media posts recently

transmissionofflame
6 months ago
Reply to  Arum

I think the main offences are incitement to violence – well applauding a murder is not really incitement – and “hate speech” which is being horrid to people based on their race, sex, religion, sexual orientation etc.

FerdIII
6 months ago
Reply to  Arum

Be quiet. Idiotic article. Kimmel, a chosen one, is unfunny, unintelligent and like that half wit Colbert paid to issue hate speech against people like me. Cancel them all.

modularist
6 months ago

I agree, but reality is always messier (and never forget that Conservatives are not Liberals).

Let’s say that a person in a position of trust posts something stupid or wicked online, and this gets noticed. People call the person out for their post, and it goes viral. The employer notices and suspends or fires the person. To dob somebody in to their employer is one thing, but the employer noticing and acting is another.

Gezza England
Gezza England
6 months ago

Totally disagree. The Far Left are an evil cancer and as with that disease the cure is to cut out the infected parts. Time to eradicate them and make the World a better place.

kev
kev
6 months ago
Reply to  Gezza England

State censorship and cancel culture cannot be right if you truly believe in free speech, which includes freedom to be obnoxious, vile and disgusting., whether in US or UK. We are either for free speech, or we are not! However, this does not necessarily translate into Free Speech in your place of work, if you have signed a contract with terms and conditions appropriate to your public statements, and you fall foul of those, then you are potentially in breach of your contract, and you can be fired. What you say in Private or Publicly, as a private person should be protected free speech, what you say publicly as an employee or a member of a society or organisation may not be. This of course is the big problem with the Social Media platforms, you can be in breach of their terms and conditions and be removed for comments you make. In the US this is outside of the protections of the First Amendment. The guy in the Oxford debating society debacle should not be criminally prosecuted for what he’s saying (as vile and disgusting as it is), but the committee and/or members of that society may have a mechanism… Read more »

fla56
6 months ago

Noah, sorry but no

You seem to have missed the bit where Kimmel seems to have heinously lied publicly about the killer, it was categorically not ‘some fairly innocuous comments’

101: this is illegal if he knew what he was doing, never mind that it’s well on the way to incitement -added of course to Kimmel’s other despicable incitement directed at e.g. Elon Musk or

Anyway, if Kimmel so wishes he can get himself a YouTube channel like the rest of us, he has neither lost nor been denied anything

transmissionofflame
6 months ago
Reply to  fla56

never mind that it’s well on the way to incitement”

I’m not a legal expert but kind of doubt that “well on the way” is a legal term.

YouTube? Seem to recall a lot of Covid sceptical stuff getting pulled from YT. People have short memories.

Jack the dog
Jack the dog
6 months ago
Reply to  fla56

I think you’re wrong, pal .

Unfunny, crass, but that’s left wing humour for you.

We need to be better than them.

Free Lemming
6 months ago

Only people that have never been in a dirty fight (or any fight) write this stuff. They don’t understand. They think you can win every fight by putting up your paws and taking a stance like they’ve seen those honourable gentleman take who obey the Queensbury Rules. But that only works for clean fights, and we’re not in a clean fight. You have two choices when you see a blade glisten or see a brass ring bristle – run, or pick up a brick; a gentenmaly stance will get you to hospital.

You have to smile at their madness, let them know no matter how dirty they fight that you will fight dirtier. You have to let them know that there is nothing that you are not prepared to do. That frightens them. It confuses them. It brings an unexpected reality home. A reality where they’re not in control.

No, to win this fight we have to be willing to tear the whole thing down in the ugliest way imaginable. And then we say “Ok, your way didn’t work did it? Shall we start again?”. Because that’s how lessons are learnt

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transmissionofflame
6 months ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

So “we” win for a time then the other side gets the upper hand and so it goes on. Not to mention that some of those in power who we might think are on “our” side might turn out to be just like the rest

Free Lemming
6 months ago

That’s how war works, yes. But one side will prevail. A few beers in so that’s my last post. Again.

transmissionofflame
6 months ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

That doesn’t seem compatible with democracy or even very realistic as we are talking about a war of ideas and ideas change over time.

Free Lemming
6 months ago

We’re not in a democracy and, no, we’re not merely in a war of ideas. We are in a fight for our very survival, both culturally and existentially, in a subversion of democracy by a malevolent state. The most charitable description would be to call it a war of ideologies, and an ideology is not just an idea, it is an entire belief system for which people will give their lives for (as we’re witnessing). We either learn to fight their way and slowly die (as has been self-evident over the last few decades) or we learn to fight like they do and watch us slowly come back to the land of the living (as has been self-evident over the last few weeks).

We have to understand that the far-left – which is now mainstream – are utterly deranged; there is NO argument that we can give that these people will consider rationally. They’re absolutely gone. Cuckoo. Cluck cluck gibber gibber my old man’s a mushroom. You ain’t having a polite disagreement with one of these lunatics – they’ve had their brains turned to mush through incessant propaganda and peer pressure.

transmissionofflame
6 months ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Well sadly I agree with much of what you say but unless we can reach some kind of consensus on some basic rules I don’t think we have much hope of “victory” or of any such victory lasting very long. I tend to think that we need to reach a near catastrophic state before there will be a lasting course correction. Our enemies seem keen to create that collapse.

RW
RW
6 months ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag achtgeben, daß er darob nicht selber zum Ungeheuer wird. Starrst du in einen Abgrund, so starrt der Abgrund auch in dich.

Free Lemming
6 months ago
Reply to  RW

That is true. And we should all be vigilant.

Jack the dog
Jack the dog
6 months ago

Agreed.

Matt Dalby
Matt Dalby
6 months ago

How many people, especially in the UK, who claim that Kirk was guilty of “hate speech” had even heard of him let alone heard anything he said before he was murdered? It seems like, yet again, they’re just repeating what they’ve read in their woke social media bubble.
It seems like the main reason people think that Kirk was spreading hate is that Stephen King tweeted that Kirk quoted a passage from Leviticus, “If a man lies with a man as he would lie with a woman they should both be stoned to death”. As even King has now admitted Kirk quoted this passage to highlight the fact that some parts of the Bible shouldn’t be taken literally. It’s a shame that King’s apology didn’t include a few quotes from Kirk e.g. “As a Christian I’m called on to love everyone” or “What happens in the bedroom isn’t that important, gay men should be welcomed into the conservative movement”.
Obviously most people on the left will only remember King’s original tweet not any correction he makes and continue to think Kirk preached hate but one or two people might think again about their opinions of Kirk.

Tonka Rigger
6 months ago

I feel like the right is leaving some easy goals open. We succeed by being better than the left, not by being the same as them.

What Kimmel said, (and many others who have said much worse) is preserved in the aspic of the internet, and should do the damage by itself.

stewart
6 months ago

Nuance is key here.

Was Kimmel fired for expressing his own personal views? Or was he fired for doing his job badly (by alienating a large chunk of his potential audience with crass, incendiary comments)?

I am a free speech absolutist and my view on this is that if Kimmel was expressing his views in his own time and got fired for that, it would be a gross violation of his free speech rights. If on the other hand if his employer considers that while on the job he hurt his programme, his ratings, his company and his terms of employment allow him to be fired for that, then it’s a matter between him and his employer.

There is a big difference between Kimmel getting fired for screwing up in his job and AG Pam Bondi saying the government is going to target hate speech. Two very, very different things.

Betty Brown
Betty Brown
6 months ago
Reply to  stewart

This is the key difference. If you haven’t already, read this post by Andrew Doyle making the same argument.
https://www.andrewdoyle.org/p/the-oxford-union-and-the-free-speech?r=rauxz&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false

DiscoveredJoys
DiscoveredJoys
6 months ago

Noah, sorry but no.

If you mean that the right wing should not arbitrarily decide to sabotage someone’s living because they are political opponents you have a point. But criticising free speech is not Cancel Culture.

The difference in political terms is that the Left Wing previously had an immunity to criticism and often said the most extreme things, often made up, without fear of losing their living. That has now changed and it’s a good thing if everyone, left or right, use more measured speech.

Freddy Boy
6 months ago

After years of eating SH1T this is Sweet retribution ! Free speech for all yes but this mug & his ilk have been 100% insidious for too long ! Good riddance 👍

Mogwai
6 months ago
Reply to  Freddy Boy

I agree, Freddo. It’s important to not employ double standards but there’s something to be said for giving the likes of Demtards such as Kimmel a karmic dose of their own medicine. There’s nothing quite like the topic of free speech to bring the hypocrites to the fore, though. Examples abound, including many on this very site. People so offended, outraged or triggered by encountering a comment by a poster whose views do not align with their’s that they have a hissy fit and resort to telling them to ”Shut up!”, “Pack it in!”, or other remarks to try and shut down a fellow poster, all because they lack the ability to debate in a reasoned and articulate manner. Then out the other side of their mouths they’ll cry about censorship and profess to be a staunch proponent of free speech, even an ‘absolutist’. I think certain individuals’ pro-free speech stance is very one-sided, to say the least. Yes, the hypocrisy is rife when it comes to this particular subject. This is what Jim has to say in response to the odious PoS, Obama, who was also hypocritically crying about censorship now Trump’s running the show; ”@BarackObama You call Jimmy… Read more »

DiscoveredJoys
DiscoveredJoys
6 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Agreed. Free Speech has consequences. If the behaviour of the ‘right’ should rise above that of the ‘left’ it should be that those consequences are the result of something truly said or written – not made up from from some confected political wet dream.

And casting my mind back to sessions about workplace offence… claiming that something was mere banter or said as humour is not a convincing defence. Too many ill intentioned people already use that excuse to avoid the consequences.

Mrs.Croc
Mrs.Croc
6 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Yes!

GroundhogDayAgain
6 months ago

Perhaps we should welcome it, but only until we make our point.

Keep up the pressure until they acknowledge that cancel culture is not just a conspiracy theory and that it’s their own weapon turning against them.

ScienceTeacher
ScienceTeacher
6 months ago

I agree that the Right should not engage in cancel culture. Each case should be assessed on it’s merits.
The vile comments had already been disproved but Kimmel repeated them anyway. He was sacked by his employer who didn’t want their brand sullied any further.
Yes two wrongs don’t make a right but justice needs to be seen to be done. The Left have gone unpunished time and again over many years as the Right has turned the other cheek and now it has led to the disgusting deprived depths we see today.

It’s a shame Noah that you knew little about Kirk beforehand. He was utterly exceptional. A bright shining light. I never met him but from thousands of miles away he changed my life.

JDee
JDee
6 months ago

Abusing the dead who cannot get up and defend themselves, is always extremely bad practice, whether its politically from the left or the right. Yes it’s legal especially in America, but you are not going to be enhancing respect for anything you are associated with by doing so, and so might end up losing a job over it.. Noah needs to work out the difference, not all speech implies a free speech issue., Conflating everything to be the same is the usual black and white extremist thinking which makes massive category errors, and which is a key part of why the western world is going to shit.

JDee
JDee
6 months ago
Reply to  JDee

Isn’t the real problem for those on the right the knowledge that they would be equally tempted to gloat at the death of some major figure on the left. If they fell to such temptation would their jobs not justifiably also be on the line, because it’s such shitty thing to do. One of the key things Charlie seemed to be about was that face to face discussion kept things human and enables the separation of sinner from their sin. Or human person from their view . Yes we can celebrate the set back of a sin or political view, but it shouldn’t go anywhere near celebrating the personal death, and in which case if someone has died it’s generally best to shut up.

JDee
JDee
6 months ago
Reply to  JDee

One reason for the obvious lack of self control on the left over Charlie Kirk’s murder is because of the wholesale adoption of identity politics, which is less prevailant on the right. This is an ideology where you effectively identify as your beliefs, making the separation of sin and sinner an impossibility.

Mogwai
6 months ago
Reply to  JDee

Just one of many I’ve seen that are declaring they’re no longer a Demtard;

https://x.com/JebraFaushay/status/1968447364886143149

Mogwai
6 months ago
Reply to  JDee

This is why I’m really not a fan of this oversimplification of ‘Right vs Left’. In fact, there’s many lefties on Twitter shocked and disgusted, not just by Charlie being murdered for saying words and encouraging respectful debate, but by the celebratory reaction and justification from fellow lefties. Many are declaring they’re now moving over to the Republicans, that’s how much they want to disassociate themselves from such people. So I think it’s more a case of decent people vs nasty sh*theads, actually.
Just a couple examples before I pop off of said sh*ts, devoid of all compassion, anti-free speech and thoroughly morally bankrupt;

”Keith Olbermann defends Charlie Kirk assassin; blames Trump.

“If Tyler Robinson indeed shot Charlie Kirk, he shot him for personal reasons because he saw Kirk as a direct threat to somebody he loved…the leading threat in this country…is Donald Trump.”

https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1968872621723771265

”BLM activists march through NYC chanting “F**k Charlie Kirk, Racist B***ard,” one week after Kirk was assassinated.”

https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1968869863834755357

jaamiller
jaamiller
6 months ago

We may be omitting to consider Duty in this discussion.
It may not be illegal to have broadcast Kimmel’s comments, but is there a duty to ensure that what is broadcast, under FCC licence, is accurate, and without undue bias?

This is, after all, how our own OfCom creates the crushing leftism in British broadcasters.
The regulator is more of a cultural entity than a legal entity.

Dinger64
6 months ago

This isn’t about the law or free speech it’s about common decency
If anyone working for me made such indecent comments in public about the death of a human being, I would not want them representing my company irrelevant of their political beliefs
Everyone should be free to voice their opinions but there can be consequences and I would expect those people to be aware enough to be more tactful for their own sake

Joss Wynne Evans
Joss Wynne Evans
6 months ago

Well said. Vance telling employers to fire people enthusing about the assissination is another example. Not welcome when the words are disgusting, but that lies at the heart of the freedom we are trying to protect.

ChrisA
ChrisA
6 months ago

The left seems to be the genuine source of the Government’s “Dissinformation”, this guy just made a load of shiite up and stated it as fact.
In terms of the cancel culture thing, has taking the high ground and simply being the Left’s punching bag really achieved results? Seems a bit of live by the sword die by the sword to me, unless we respond in kind and turn the Left’s own dystopian creations against them, how will we ever get rid of it?

Mrs.Croc
Mrs.Croc
6 months ago

I’m sorry to disagree with this article; as on an intellectual level I completely agree.
we have way gone past the time when two wrongs don’t make a right.
as long as the hard left and the left supporting grifters use these tactics, then anyone speaking common sense, let alone expressing a right wing view will be cancelled, hounded and have their life destroyed for wrong speak. To stick your nose in the air and say “we’re better than that” is a recipe for suicide.
sometimes you just have to go to war.
when the dust has settled, you can then start again and confine these ridiculous laws and attitudes to the dustbin.

gavinfdavies
gavinfdavies
6 months ago

I’m not suprised that the woke lefties praised a school shooter. What does suprise me is how many supposedly rational people are defending them for praising a school shooter.

Mrs.Croc
Mrs.Croc
6 months ago
Reply to  gavinfdavies

Reminds me of that old joke. A social worker sees a man lying in the ground beaten up and bleeding.
did you see who did this, she says, because he needs urgent help.

RW
RW
6 months ago

Kimmel claimed that (I’m paraphrasing this) that “This week saw a new low in politics as members of the MAGA gang desparately sought to show that Kirk’s murderer wasn’t one of them while exploiting the assassination for political point-scoring as much as possible.” Claiming that Kirk got murdered by political supporters of Donald Trump (“MAGA gang”) is not an innocuous comment. In absence of any proof for that – and Kimmel certainly didn’t present any – that’s an highly inflammatory smear calculated hurt the feelings of the people who just lost a well-respected and idolized friend and political ally as hard as possible. Unsurprisingly, they didn’t like that at all and tried to hit back as hard as they could. Humans are bound to do unreasonable things when they’re emotionally strongly agitated and despite left-winger love to assert the contrary, their political opponents are just humans. We get to hurt their feelings as much as we want and they can do nothing about it because they champion free speech while we who don’t have gotten people thrown into jail for lesser transgressions! isn’t exactly a great political argument and that so-called right wingers act unreasonably in the heat of the… Read more »

Darren Gee
Darren Gee
6 months ago

Well said – this represent a downward spiral into censorship in general. In a few years, who knows what types of rights we will have lost if this continues.

RW
RW
6 months ago
Reply to  Darren Gee

There’s certainly no downward spiral here. Various people have “risen to the occasion” of Kirk’s murder by either partaking in the deliberate creation of a false narrative about it or at least intentionally being as grossly offensive as they possibly could. This has had repercussions for some of them. Abstractly, one may lament this as violation of freedom of speech, however, in this respect, it’s neither better nor worse that what’s going on all the time already, just the roles are reversed: Those who are used to get away with lying in whichever ways they want with impunity suddenly find themselves being held accountable according to their own, proclaimed standards. And the opinions of those who usually have to suffer being mistreated and abused by establishment journalists and media celebrities are suddenly being listened to.

JXB
JXB
6 months ago

“Jimmy Kimmel being taken off air for some fairly innocuous comments about the “MAGA gang”.

That is not correct. You really should check your facts.

Grok: “During his Monday monologue, Kimmel inaccurately suggested that Robinson was aligned with President Donald Trump’s MAGA movement and implied the killing was politically motivated by right-wing extremism. He stated something to the effect of: “This is what happens when you fill people’s heads with lies about stolen elections and immigrant hordes—now one of your own has turned the gun on you.” The comments were criticized as inflammatory, misleading, and potentially inciting, leading to accusations of defamation…”

It’s about behavior and incitement, not free speech.

But… “We Shouldn’t Welcome Right-Wing Cancel Culture”
Yes we should.

Old joke: Little boy complains to his mother his younger sister keeps pulling his hair. Mother replies it’s not her fault, she doesn’t know it hurts.

Moments later the mother hears screams from the younger girl. She rushes to see what has happened… the little boy says: She does now.

RW
RW
6 months ago
Reply to  JXB

But… “We Shouldn’t Welcome Right-Wing Cancel Culture”
Yes we should.

Generally, I don’t think so: IMHO, the proper way to deal with Kimmel etc is to hoist them rethorically on their own petard which is going to be fairly easy.

However,

while left-wing cancel culture is rampant and the people employing it show no signs of desiring to stop acting in this way, we certainly shouldn’t specially condemn people from the other faction for being no better than their political opponents as this would amount to giving lefties a free pass. For as long they want to cancel, they deserve to suffer being cancelled themselves. Maybe, this will eventually help to end the whole thing as all parties slowly get to understand that it’s really just detrimental.