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stewart
6 months ago

When words are said to be violent, violence becomes the response to words

Well, that’s what people are doing when they claim that those who express delight at Charlie Kirk’s death have blood on their hands. They are literally claiming words killed him.

They are doing what Charlie Kirk’s hysterical opponents did when they claimed his words to be violent and harmful.

It’s the difficulty with free speech, people struggle to defend it when they hear things they don’t like. And the reflex is always to claim the offending words are dangerous and harmful.

thechap
thechap
6 months ago
Reply to  stewart

I couldn’t disagree more. Words were the catalyst for Chrlie Kirk’s murder. Those who repeatedly called him and other conservative commentators ‘fascist’, ‘nazi’, and many other hysterically inaccurate epithets, encouraged the more extreme-minded among The Left to think that killing him would be a moral good.

There is an obvious difference between the words Charlie Kirk used and the words used by those who gleefully celebrate his death. Charlie Kirk always proposed peaceful dialogue and respect for the reasonable debater. He never proposed violence at all, so how you equate those criticising gleeful, twisted celebrations of his death with those who claimed Kirk’s words were violence, I do not know.

stewart
6 months ago
Reply to  thechap

Allow me to challenge you on your assertions. I have with my own eyes seen Charlie Kirk equate abortion to the holocaust. In fact, he claimed it was worse because the numbers far exceed those of the holocaust. He did this right to a young lady’s face who he was debating. To be clear, he wasn’t rude and did so clearly in the spirit of the debate but he said it forcefully with total conviction . To me, there is little difference between that and someone calling him a Nazi in that, in both cases the words are an invitation to violence if, and only, if one takes a series of logical steps to their final conclusion. In both cases you could conclude: this person should be stopped by any means or heinous crimes will be committed. My view is that you don’t make the assumptions required to make these logical leaps. You assume that words remain as words and nothing but words. The axiomatic foundation of free speech is that no set of words in and of themselves cause harm and so the only valid response to words are words, not violence. If you go down the path that… Read more »

Lockdown Sceptic
6 months ago

Wednesday Morning Camberley

Great to see England flags and Union Jacks on virtually every lamppost driving through Sandhurst.

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Monro
6 months ago

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6387419.stm

Blair’s Britain

Why we are where we are….

transmissionofflame
6 months ago

Avoidable if the Fake Conservatives had been actually conservative. But then they would be implementing the same policies as those asked for by Robinson and Reform and tens of millions of people. So what is the difference? Apparently if you are a certain sort of liberal conservative intellectual, Robinson and Farage won’t do because they are not from the same tribe as you.

Jon Garvey
6 months ago

Tommy Robinson’s ascent was entirely avoidable

Just remind me why it was desirable to avoid it? Oh yes, because of the narrative and the persecution constructed to avoid it, which instead facilitated it, and which the great and good just can’t shake off..

transmissionofflame
6 months ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

I would love to understand the mentality. Is it just snobbery? I mean, I’m a terrible middle class snob but I’m more than happy to put that aside if my whole civilisation is at stake.

Jon Garvey
6 months ago

It seems that a brawl at the 1st XV dinner is somehow OK compared to a fight after a footy match. I’ve never understood that, though maybe it’s because I grew up close enough to both to see neither camp as superior.

For a fist full of roubles

‘Hysterical’ anti-Trump protesters claim state visit could lead to British death squads” The only people purveying actual death would seem to be the left at the moment.

NeilofWatford
6 months ago

‘The first deportation of a Channel migrant under Sir Keir Starmer’s “one in, one out” deal with France was cancelled at the last minute,’

To the surprise of absolutely no-one, including the Home Office

ComradeSvelte
ComradeSvelte
6 months ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

The French probably pointed out said migrant did not have ID… all this makes me wonder, was it a single migrant per plane? Why fly them? What’s wrong with a ferry? We could have just hidden said migrant in a random lorry….ummm

Jon Garvey
6 months ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

It’s probably too late to cancel the one-in return flight.

ellie-em
6 months ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

More taxpayers money laundered wasted on useless, bound to fail schemes…

Dinger64
6 months ago

Britain’s oldest sea fort ,fort Blockhouse in Hampshire, likely to be used to house asylum seekers.
Anyone notice the irony here?
A fort that has provided protection against invasion since 1431 is to be used to protect the invaders!

huxleypiggles
6 months ago
Reply to  Dinger64

That sounds about right Dinger.

ellie-em
6 months ago

Re:
https://garysidley.substack.com/p/why-did-healthcare-professionals

…because they were more or less encouraged to ignore best practice and deviate from established professional standards in order to undertake the scamdemic jabathon, jabbing as many old and young as they could. Something had to give when common sense was shelved by the ‘professionals’.

Furthermore, due to the enormous pressures created by HCP’s worshipping Covid, late 2022 the Chief Medical Officers absolved staff from worries about abominable health care. Doctors and nurses were given official permission to scale back on “established rules to care for people” if necessary to keep the health service going.

https://archive.ph/2022.11.15-144806/https://inews.co.uk/news/health/break-nhs-rules-save-lives-winter-chris-whitty-1971600