Why is the Guardian Still Calling Charlie Kirk “Far Right”?
Let’s suppose I were on the Right in politics. I would take ‘Right’ to mean in favour of all the things that were considered normal in times past, normal as opposed to Leftist exceptional: hence in favour of state, nation, rule-of-law, historic religion, established order, traditional society, marriage, family etc.
Now, let’s suppose I were on the Left in politics. Then I would take ‘Left’ to mean all the things that should be considered normal in accordance with some sort of time-independent moral or enlightened or scientific set of principles – which would be some sort of globalist and anti-traditionalist position decorated by views, perhaps, about basic income, wealth tax, LGBT and especially T, climate change, decolonisation of the curriculum, safe spaces, privilege, equity, Black Lives Matter, Gaza, etc.
Simple. But then imagine that someone on the other side is shot dead by someone on my side.
If I were on the Right in politics, this would mean that someone on the Right shot dead someone on the Left. Then I would not merely “condemn violence” in some vague, unspecific way. On the contrary, I would say: “I condemn this specifically: for according to the values of my position, I have to condemn this. This person, apparently on the Right, betrayed the cause, in shooting dead someone on the Left.” The logic would be that it should not have happened: but also that it was strictly forbidden by the morality used as a justification.
If I were on the Left in politics, it would mean – well, it means what has actually happened. Now, I know all of this is speculation at the moment. But it seems very likely that the man who shot Charlie Kirk dead was on the Left. Trump may have been supposing, but it is likely that Trump supposed rightly. The Wall Street Journal has reported that ammunition in the rifle thought to be used to shoot him was engraved with “expressions of transgender and antifascist ideology”. (According to Louder with Crowder this information was sent informally by an AFT agent because they thought it might be buried.) That’s right: an antifascist shot dead someone trying to argue out ideas, wearing “Freedom’ on his shirt, and under a sign saying ‘Prove Me Wrong’.
If a follower of Charlie Kirk had shot someone, and ammunition had been found with, let’s say, not the exaggerated ‘far-Right’ slogans that the Guardian might hope for, but simple ‘expressions of Christian ideology’, then I think what would happen is that everyone, including Charlie Kirk, were he still alive, would not only condemn the shooting but also deny that such an act could be considered Christian. In other words, the ideological appeals would provide no fig leaf. The act would be considered a crime, and not only that, but a grave sin, and a breach with the very ideology the shooter had claimed to act for.
What is so very interesting, however, is that, in general, nothing like this has happened on the Left. We have already seen the early displays of ‘He deserved it’ evident online. More seriously, among politicians, journalists etc., what there has been has been generalised condemnation of violence – with the implication, perhaps, that the violence was not an action so much as it was a reaction by someone provoked by an original action.
I find some of the articles posted on the Guardian disgusting in this regard. In general, the press has been balanced: certainly the BBC seems to have been. But the Guardian has run pieces that seem to sanction the murder, indirectly and implicitly, no doubt. They emphasise Kirk’s supposed original provocation.
Alaina Demopoulos, for instance, tells us that he was a “virulent debater and clickbait savant”. This may not be her title, but she uses the word “virulently” in her article. And:
Kirk’s ideology was caustic; he espoused openly homophobic, racist, sexist, Islamophobic and Christian nationalist views while uplifting misinformation and conspiracy theories.
This is not only a political judgement. It is a smear. She does not say, ‘To we on the Left, of course, his ideology seemed caustic.’ No. She asserts her political judgement as if it is a statement of fact. Oh, and she adds the classic smear words “misinformation” and “conspiracy theory”. Yes, but Kirk never engraved ‘Misinformation’ on a bullet before shooting someone dead. Nor did any of his followers.
Then Chris Stein and Dani Anguiano actually list his what they call “bigoted views”. Yes, indeed. So that everyone in the Guardian can relax a bit and think, ‘Well, he probably deserved it; it was wrong, of course; but he will not be missed.’ Stein and Anguiano strip out of context some of his provocative utterances and present them as if for a prosecution case. He was, they say, “far Right”, “controversial” and “accountable to no one but his audience, he did not shy away in his rhetoric from bigotry, intolerance, exclusion and stereotyping”.
The Guardian editorial, finally, declares that political violence is rising, and “people of colour are particularly targeted”. This is demonstrably false. It bears out what Eugyppius has told us about the reporting on the dreadful murder of Iryna Zarutska. But there is this, as well, in the editorial:
People appear less willing to condone violence if misperceptions of the other side’s extremism or propensity for force are corrected. In this perilous moment, the response to such hateful crimes should be to coalesce to stress non-violence and civic tolerance.
Yes, fine, fine, fine, editor of the Guardian, if it is actually you. But if this is the case, then stop using the words “far-right”, “caustic”, “virulent” and “bigoted” in your articles. Stop creating misperceptions about people like Charlie Kirk, even after his death, but certainly, hopefully, before anyone else’s death.
Why is there is no specific condemnation by, say, antifascists of this presumably, by their standards, somewhat fascist shooting? Why is the Left not examining its own virulence, causticity and bigotry?
James Alexander is a Professor in the Department of Political Science at Bilkent University in Turkey.
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The far Left has for years gained the dominant hand in public political discourse. We never hear of ‘far Left’ despite the very communist views and activism of many such groups. They successfully brand centre right and right wing voters as ‘far right’ even fascists, and this goes on. Charlie Kirk was a right wing political debater who discovered that ‘safe spaces on campus’ only exist for the radicals, anything not praising the trans movement, gays, netzeroastrians, lockdowners, open borders will be run out of town and their killing justified, as on LBC this morning by a soft spoken American phoning in with that disingenuous message, unchallenged by the presenter. The Right has not done any homework to reclaim the discourse, even Farage appeases the Left by eg smearing Braverman as too far right for Reform, now easing into the Uniparty penumbra. As to this disingenuous line of indirect support for the assassination of Charlie Kirk, as for Theo van Gogh et al, it is well, ‘they had it coming’ for offending the left or the imams. Please will some analyst check up on the quotations being dished out by the highly distinguished president of the Oxford Union about Charlie… Read more »
A thumbs up for netzeroastrians. Because it speaks to the main point. Very few people on the ‘Right’ feel any particular membership to an ideology. Even membership of a mainstream religion is rarely a ‘driver’. But people on ‘the Left’ flock after the extreme Left as exemplars of what society should be.
From Wikipedia: A fellow traveller (also fellow traveler) is a person who is intellectually sympathetic to the ideology of a political organization, and who co-operates in the organization’s politics, without being a formal member.
If you are a fellow traveller you get swept along with your fellows – so anyone else must not understand your justifications and threatens them. Therefore they must be extreme.
“Very few people on the ‘Right’ feel any particular membership to an ideology.”
It’s a strength but perhaps puts “us” at a disadvantage.
I’m pretty conservative in my own life and views but have no interest in imposing that on anyone else.
Charlie kirk was doing a fantastic job chipping away at the dems key demographic – brainwashed college students.
That handwriting of the stupid messages on the murderer’s bullets – has it been matched to anybody in the clinton/Obama mafia?
One of the key demographics, yes, and maybe the most important one. Remove it and they are done for. The coalition of the fringes, like Labour
The simple answer to the question posed in the title of the article is that it works – it serves its intended purpose which is to smear, demonise and distort, and to shut down debate. Over time it will become less effective I think because we will see an increasing polarisation, as we see in the US. But for now there are probably enough people left who don’t have such fixed opinions. Of course it also serves to reinforce the message to the already converted.
I would add that there may be a point where these smear attempts start to be counterproductive for the left, when moderates see how ridiculous they are. Overreaching may be their downfall.
Well said, as with net zero it’s arrogant imperative will be its own downfall.
We can only hope!
I would say that point was already passed some time ago, probably around the start of the Covid scam. One might call it the Point of No Return.
I hope “COVID” was the tactical blunder it seems. To use one of their silly words I think it “radicalised” a lot of formerly fairly moderate people
Yes, solid observation. As it’s clear to see that political correctness as it first appeared, then woke fervency and outright cancel culture, silencing and now violence only serve to demonstrate they are failing to silence and causing the growth of a counter movement that will due to it’s adherence of reasonable sense …outsize it considerably
The Guardian is a far left paper it is representative of the Left in that it does not think that others who disagree with its world views are worth anything, they are frankly a nasty publication read by nasty people who think that those that disagree with them, those who have Christian beliefs are the enemy and frankly deserve what they get. At least we can see them.”By their fruits ye shall know them” sums it up I think
I was a Guardian reader for 35 years and for the last 10 years I have been one of its biggest critics.
The Guardian is in no way “far left”.
It did have left leanings many years ago but for at least the last 10 years it has been “liberal”.
Many of us old socialists in the hard left despise The Guardian, The Independent, The BBC and the rest of the “liberal” mains stream media.
I agree that it’s “a nasty publication read by nasty people”.
Agree – the Guardian is “Nu-Left”, in other words completely in thrall to the insane liberal ideologies which constitute today’s RightThink. Old Socialist firebrands do not fit into that category, they at least had some common sense and were still (mostly) in touch with reality. What we are seeing now from “that” side is not Socialism as it would properly be described.
FTR, my own opinion on Socialism is that it is always doomed to collapse under the weight of its own bureaucracy and human failure (as it always has), and that it is always fated to morph into authoritarianism to try and preserve the regime from the inevitable, but there are still parts of the pure ideology with which I have sympathies.
Political violence is rising. But those being targeted are Jews, Conservatives and Christians.
Laws are being passed to silence, what I perceive, as the majority of people in the UK who wish to preserve their personal liberty against the power of an ever more dangerous state
However the most dangerous aspect is that from what I can see, these attacks are well funded. The posters are already printed, the plans to silence with violence or as to near to violence as possible, are already secretly designed.
The west is heading to tyranny. Global entities are using in some cases the well meaning, but under informed views of the foolish, but in other cases the ever present fervency of the youthful idiot revolutionaries and their inability to see through such shallow ideologies – too fuel this acceptance of said tyranny.
It is just tyranny – and unfortunately the eventual conclusion of attempt to assert this kind of government may be revolting –
This event may mark the start of a wake-up call for many to get of their arses.
I have not yet seen the contribution of the Archbishop of Canterbury.
I’ve forgotten who she is.
Not known here.
There isn’t one, AFAIK.
I find the Independent and its readers even worse than The Guardian.
Just now The Independent ran an article on facebook of Charlie Kirk’s widow speech she just gave and the majority emojis were laughs and the comments reprehensible.
The liberals who follow these and other liberal media outlets are the reason the West is in such moral decline.
Assuming someone claimed to be on a mission to stop something he likes to call fascism despite this is demonstrably wrong by any means necessary (an official political slogan of some left wing American group), why do you think that someone ought to condemn political murder?
Just think about this: What we call fascism must be stopped by any means necessary. We called Kirk a fascist. He certainly got stopped. So, what’s not to like about that?
“Why is the Guardian Still Calling Charlie Kirk “Far Right”?
Because it’s the Guardian.
Why do you ask?
“Let’s suppose I were on the Right in politics. I would take ‘Right’ to mean in favour of all the things that were considered normal in times past, “
So far, right.
Because it’s not fit to line budgie cages maybe?
No way; far too toxic.
You can’t even wipe your arse with it as there is already shit on both sides.
From the Graun’s viewpoint everything is far right. Left liberal’s are excuseded for killing opponents whilst peop[e to their right are vilified for their criticism.
It is the sign of a failing ideology. Violence with words and fists and lawbreaking are all they have left and their frustration is showing.
‘Divisive’ was the weaselly term I heard on BBC R4. American politics is apparently ‘polarised’ – which makes it normal or OK to kill your political opponent?
Polarised = there is proper opposition, adversarial politics, your vote might make a difference.
They don’t like that!
Far-right is a dog-whistle used to paint people or ideas as Nazi or fascist, without actually using those words but essentially suggesting the equivalence.
If you ask people to say what comes to mind when you say “far right” it will be Nazi, fascist, neo-Nazi, anti-semitic, racist.
And the worst thing about it is that the Nazi’s and the fascists were actually all extreme left wing.
Indeed. Otherwise it would have been the only Socialist Workers’ Party in history to have been right wing.
The NSDAP was a German right-wing party led committed monarchists, whose leader got appointed chancellor by a monarchist Reichspräsident (v. Hindenburg) based on a coalition cabinett of the NSDAP and the reactionary monarchists from the DNVP. It actually had a left wing until the late 1920s led by Georg Strasser which then split away but never gained any traction. Remnants of “revolutionary socialist” ideology still holding out in the SA got famously mostly killed during the so-called “night of the long knives” officially known as Röhm-Putsch (Röhm-coup, Röhm being the gay leader of the SA accused of conspiring against Hitler). It’s conjectured that this mostly happened because Röhm and other influential SA leaders planned to turn the SA into a people’s army eventually eclipsing and absorbing the Reichswehr while Hitler needed and wanted the support of extremely reactionary/ monarchist Reichswehr leadership. That the NSDAP was a right wing party is already evident in the fact that they state they wanted to erect (and did erect) was based on the idea of hierarchy of “naturally born leaders” with absolutely authority over those below them and responsibility for carrying the orders of their superiors with little or no legal limits placed on… Read more »
So you think right wing ideology is about blind obedience to authority?
Let me ask you this. If extreme left wing is marxist socialism and extreme right wing is blind obedience to hierarchical authority, then where does free market individualist, freedom from coercion (sometimes referred to as libertarianism) sit in this continuum of yours?
Where it belongs: Radical left-wing ideology of people who seek to abolish the monarchy (or monarchies in general) and the notion of a hierarchical world order created by God in favour of replacing them with elaboraty designed republican institustions which will enable much better government than was possible ever before. BTW, it wasn’t writing about blind obedience to authority but about a hierachical system people raise through from bottom to top based on their “natural/ God-given abilities” and which has few, if any, laws limiting what people at a higher position in the hierachy may order those at a lower position to do, this being based on the idea that the “natural leaders” will know better what’s really necessary in any particular situation and must not be unduly restrained by codified limitations as this will only lead to worse solutions. An example of that would be the statement of the Prussian king Friedrich Wilhelm IV. that “no piece of paper shall come between me and my people”, a rejection of creating a written constitution for Prussia in favour of absolutist rule. Those supposed to execute those order are to do so intelligently which includes voicing rational criticism where appropriate. That’s… Read more »
“Der Idee der NSDAP entsprechend sind wir die deutsche Linke. Nichts ist uns verhaßter als der rechtsstehende nationale Besitzbürgerblock.”
According to the idea of the NSDAP (Nazi Party), we are the German left. Nothing is more hateful to us than the right-wing national ownership block.
Joseph Goebbels, Der Angriff (The Attack) 6 December, 1931. Quoted from Documents of German national history 1445-1945, Athenäum Verlag , 1980, p.291.
That’s the second version of this pseudo-quote I encounter and one which makes even less sense. I don’t know who came up with the term Besitzbürgerblock but that was certainly no German. And besides. the NSDAP still allied itself with what a German of that time would have called “die Reaktion” and eventually absorbed it while purging people leaning towards revolutionary socialism violently from its own ranks.
Hitler also remained only chancellor and not head of state until v. Hindenburg’s death in 1934, presumably because v. Hindenburg – directly elected as president of the Reich by a majority of the German people – was vastly more popular than himself.
Look at this shocker!
Breaking! Charlie Kirk Assassin Tyler Robinson Was Reportedly Living With TRANSGENDER PARTNER
“Leftist trans death cult strikes again!”
“Seconds before being murdered, Kirk said there have been “too many” Trans shooters.”
“Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson was living with a male to a female transgender who he was also dating, according to the New York Post and Fox News.”
Gay.
The very words left and right have themselves been distorted over my lifetime. As a generalisation when I was growing up, left was taken as the politics of the trades unions supporting the views of the working class and right the views of the management class. Now they are just used as a way of insulting each other, preferably with the word ‘far’ attached to really rub it in. Anything even slightly right of the Tory party or left of the Labour party will automatically have the label ‘far’ stuck on it, reducing any meaningful debate to a slanging match. And of course each side is totally intolerant of the other and whilst claiming to be an exponent of free speech seeks to censor the other. Hypocrisy all round!
Because both their readers demand it.
For the same reason mainstream Islam never condemns terrorism. They actually like it.