A Response to Fraser Nelson and His Critics
In recent weeks, the former Spectator editor Fraser Nelson has been posting about crime in Britain. His claim is simple: crime is down. Yet his posts have not been well received. Almost every one has attracted dozens or hundreds of negative comments from users who are utterly incredulous that crime could have fallen.
On August 8th, he reiterated his claim in an article for the Times: “Violent, lawless, broken Britain? The facts tell a different story.” The article was once again met with a barrage of criticism. One comment, which garnered almost 700 likes, stated, “You’re a middle class, privileged c*** who should spend a few years living in a tower block on a council estate before your wanky pontificating about the lives we experience.”
So is Nelson closer to the truth, or are his critics?
My reading of the evidence is that Nelson is basically right. However, there’s an important caveat, which I will get out of the way first.
In his recent article, the former Spectator editor combines his well-supported claims about crime with much more contentious claims about the state of the country as a whole. For example, he lists several metrics that have improved, such as air quality and breast cancer mortality, and concludes that “there is no better place in the world to call home”. He also emphasises that, after looking at the data, he discovered that “the world was not just getting better but at an unprecedented pace”.
However, the fact that fewer Chinese people live in poverty is hardly relevant to a debate about the state of Britain. And pointing to trends in a handful of metrics doesn’t constitute a comprehensive survey of national well-being. Living standards are stagnant. Housing is increasingly unaffordable. And demographics are changing rapidly.
With that said, Nelson is on much firmer ground when talking about crime, as I’ve argued before. In support of the claim that crime has fallen, we have homicide data, the Crime Survey of England and Wales and hospital data on rates of admissions for violent injuries. In addition, we have two independent surveys showing that Britons are now less afraid to walk home at night than they were in the early 2000s.
Sceptics point to police-recorded crime data, which suggests that some types of crime have risen. However, as the Office for National Statistics clearly states on its website, these rises are due to changes in reporting and recording. Ironically, some of Nelson’s critics claim that he must be wrong because many crimes go unreported or unrecorded. Yet the Crime Survey data that Nelson cites isn’t affected by levels of reporting and recording (unlike the police-recorded crime data, which supposedly proves him wrong).
Sceptics also point to rises in shoplifting and phone theft – which are real. The former is partly explained by a 2014 legal change that reclassified low-value thefts as summary offences. (The proliferation of self-checkouts may play a role too.) And the latter is explained by the obvious fact that, two decades ago, people didn’t go around with easily snatchable smartphones in their hands all the time.
Sceptics want us to believe the shoplifting data is absolutely unimpeachable, but for some reason we can’t trust the homicide data, the Crime Survey data or the hospital data. It doesn’t make any sense.
So, yes, most types of crime have fallen since the late 1990s. But that doesn’t mean the country is going through some sort of golden age – far from it.
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The “crime is down” mantra is being promulgated in order to obscure the fact that our rulers have destroyed the safe, orderly, ultra low crime, very high social trust country that Britain used to be (until the 1950s). We can almost feel the tremor of fear down Frazer Nelson’s back as the whisper of condign punishment reaches his and the other perpetrators’ ear.
But “crime is down” in relation to what? For example, the incarceration rate was less than 40 per 100,000 in the mid-1930s, and is now between 150 and 160 per 100,000. This is despite the fact that the contemporary “criminal justice” system is very reluctant to imprison criminals. Thus the crime rate today is probably ten times what it was in the 1930s. No wonder our rulers are so desperate to hide that fact.
Crime is down?
Well, who compiles the statistics? The government. They lie about everything, why wouldn’t they lie about crime?
Do they take into account that people aren’t even bothered to report crime, knowing that the police aren’t interested?
100%
Crime may appear in some cases to be down because most theft is no longer considered a crime.
It is simply unacceptable in an obviously broken society like England has become over the last 28 years to try and claim this is still the same basically happy decent place most of us were born and raised in
Fraser Nelson has completely lost the plot.
He may have lost the plot, but I bet his escape route is already prepared.
Yep Sweden his wife is Swedish I believe. They’re chucking out all the undesirables there.
Excellent point
Well the rape statistics must be astonishingly wrong, the Rotherham-esque cops basically blamed the victims, colluded with the tribal rape gangs, and covered up the massive problem. The Selina Scott type of London assault and robbery grows, phone snatching, thought crime is a new preoccupation of Plod and Stasi Starmer and did not exist ten years ago. London is now a tower of Babel for the locals, public transport resounds to all manner of foreign languages, making us feel not at home. Women are harassed in many of our colonised urban areas, take Mrs Nelson down to Tower Hamlets in her summer dress or shorts and see what happens [ask Alex Phillips] – in fact new technically non-crime hostilities are all around us. Journalists have to make a living and here we have a great example of a grotesque Sharia led inversion of the truth. And freedom of speech and our ‘human rights’ Nelson, ten years ago were were free to speak, now we are certainly not. Ten years ago regions of England were not colonised, nor was Sharia surreptitiously controlling many aspects of life. Noah Carl comfortingly tells us of phone snatchinig: ‘ And the latter is explained by the… Read more »
In the last 5 years I have seen 2 murdered bodies on the street. My daughter was within yards of the Primose Hill murder as it happened.
My other daughter’s boyfriend has been threatened with a knife twice in that time as his phone was taken.
Yesterday a friend was pinioned at the cashpoint in Golders Green and £500 was taken.
Her first call for help was met with a brush off saying that the money was gone. With a second call the Police started to take it seriously.
And don’t forget the stench of wacky baccy everywhere, with it being smoked publicly without consequences. The worst ”crimes” are the restrictions on our freedoms and being referred to as a far right racist for objecting to the overriding of our culture and values in favour of an alien culture diametrically opposed to ours. We are approaching an irrivesable precipice. My heart bleeds for my country.
Ah yes, the stench of wacky backy everywhere. Try outside Highbury Corner magistrates youth court doors a little before 10am on a Monday morning with lots of policement milling about apparently oblivious to the smell.
What still puzzles me is what all these police officers do in the modern age. We are told year after year that we have a shortage of police and yet in what many would regard as the golden era of policing – Dixon of Dock Green, Heartbeat etc etc – the 1960s, we had 72,000 police for 46 million people in England and Wales. Today 147,000 for 62 million, that is one officer per 422 people compared to one per every 639 in the sixties. Back then, we had police stations everywhere, officers walking the beat and known to their community. Now despite a 50% increase we never see them, unless there is a large protest, have no local stations and crime ignored. Pitiful.
Well one thing’s for sure. We know whose side they’re on ( and it ain’t the patriots’ ) because they repeatedly show us through their behaviour. To me, this is as bad as participating in ‘Pride’. So much for impartiality;
https://x.com/RMXnews/status/1956285870958411818
Yep, exactly what Peter Hitchens has been saying for years – the police have never employed so many. You could also add that 30-odd years ago the police did not hae big propaganda departments. No DEI departments. Etc….
Labour has condemned London to be Europe’s capital for Rolex and Range Rover theftForeign criminals are embarking on their thieving adventures without serious consequence
Just saw this in the Telegraph, ‘easily explained’ by the growth of massive inward migration of criminals and diminishing efficiency, or even interest, of the Police, so not a problem for the Blairite Nelson ‘things can only get better’ panglossian journalists delusionally detached from actual life now.
Crime is down, haha!
Man, are you kidding?
Is that why the police tell people to “mind the grab”?
Perception is the real,World – statistics are mathematical creations.
“Better” is a comparative, not a superlative. Air quality is better compared to what? And exactly what benefit is this “better” air quality?
There is no such thing as breast cancer mortality, because with all cancers if the victim survives the primary, the cause of death is from other cancers elsewhere resulting from metastatic spread from primary.
Statistics, data, surveys, the State and its acolytes telling you millions are dropping dead all round you so wear a mask, that the Safe & Effective jungle-juice will save granny and has saved millions, that extreme weather events are getting more frequent, more extreme because of global warming, that there isn’t a two-tier policing/justice system… honest… that crime is down but you and all the unlucky victims around you must be the exception.
Who are you going to believe, them or your own cheating, lying eyes?
Exactly.
Walk through any major city center after dark and ask yourself: do you feel safe?
Would your daughter feel safe?
Yeah, crime statistics, bollox.
Let me quote my mum, who was a student around 1960: “Son, I used to walk home after dark and the city felt safe. The idea that something bad could happen to you didn’t even cross your mind”.
Ask yourself: is it like that now?
Or – how about the thousands of white girls gang raped by mostly Pakistani men in various cities? Was that also around back in the “bad old days” before the joys of multiculturalism were gifted to us? Funnily enough, I can’t remember that it was a normal feature of life.
Yeah, crime statistics, bollox.
That’s interesting about your mum in the 1960s, because someone told me years ago that their grandmother told them how she and other young women were able to walk from one end of Bristol to the other at night during the wartime blackouts without fear of being harmed by men or boys— only by German bombs.
Did anyone else have trouble responding to this article earlier?
Like others I disagree with Nelson.
Murder is down partly because previously fatal injuries are now survivable as trauma surgery has hugely improved. A ‘benefit’ of war experience.
Lies, damn lies, and statistics. They are all there to hide the truth.
Fraser Nelson needs to talk to the residents of Bournemouth.
Bournemouth is just the beginning. Vigilantes are coming to a town near you – Renee Hoenderkamp
Well, I don’t know what country Frazier or the author are living in, but it’s definitely not this one.
if they can tell me where this replica is I will move there like a shot.
By the way, I wouldn’t go shopping in London for a gold clock. I can’t afford the security to keep me safe
When the police decline to investogate many sorts of crime is it any wonder the crimes are not reported. Whether it is criminal daha, theft, shop lifting or any other crimes why bother. Likely any household policy will have an excess too high so why spoiul the no claims discount.
Clearly Fraser Nelson lives in another universe along with his political elite friends wgo never experience these issues. Litter, swearing, open canbnabis use and dealing, riding on pavements and all sorets of traffic offences.
If from the left, calkling for the death of people here and overseas, the elimination of a democracy and actioin against law abiding citizems. On thje other hand, two tier justice is npow routine – if you are whilte and say the wrong thing you will be in trouble whereas any colour and you say what the elites are thinking and you go free.
I guess it’s possible that crime fluctuates for no specific reason, but I find it pretty improbable that it has fallen in recent decades. We’ve imported millions of young men from countries where people seem to have more criminal tendencies than our native population. Prison sentences are shorter, fewer crimes are solved and fewer people convicted, and we are not notably more prosperous than we were. All of that points to crime going in the other direction.
‘Living standards are stagnant.’
All it takes is one sentence – four words – to consign this article to the dustbin. I think lots of people would be happy if their living standards were stagnant but the increasing costs of Net Zero and Rachel from Accounts utter incompetence in raising inflation the cost of living is anything but stagnant. Food inflation has hit 4.5% – over double the 2% target – and there are yet more rises in costs caused by the blubbling Chancellor still to come. I just hope the September figure hits 4% so I get a decent pension rise from last year’s miserable 1.7%. It was only that for one month because of course the energy costs went up immediately after and I should check when Ofgem annouces this October’s rise.
In my opinion, Fraser Nelson is like many who rather than seek facts and form a view based on them, instead decide on a view and then select facts to fit. What is not taken into account is the wholesale changes in normal daily lives that have been and are increasingly forced on the populace to avoid, so far as possible, the crime which stalks our streets. Saying that knife crime is reducing (compared to when?) if the reason is that everyone stays indoors or doesn’t go to certain areas or not after dark etc etc out of fear is also crime, it just doesn’t have a number attached to it.
I suggest that if you were to ask British women if they feel more safe walking about on their own at night than they did, say, 10 years ago the answer would be a resounding NO.
And if you asked both British men and women if they feel their teenage daughters are more safe out and about in the evening than they would have been, say, 10 years ago, the answer would also be a resounding NO.
And there is a very good reason for that. Despite what the crime stats say, they ARE at more risk.
Nelson is a One Nation (Globalist) LibCON. Just like Gus o’Donnell, he is more concerned with “the welfare of the world” than the preservation of the UK or the safety of British citizens.
England dear boy England is what we should be worried about.
I would need proof that Fraser Nelson didn’t contribute to this article before believing its content, as my own experiences of daily life reflect the opposite. Ask Bournemouth residents if they agree with me. The government lied about the plandemic, safe and effective clot shots and just about everything else in recent years. Why should be accept their crime data?
https://youtu.be/Xa2HA85zseM?si=7Wbzyq7nsXcxuZNm
How can anyone write the rubbish that people are less afraid to walk home alone(especially women) and that crimes are down?, when neither are true, deaths(murders) are up assaults are up, sexual assaults are up, shoplifting has gone pff of the scale, not bothering to record it doesn’t make it disappear and is an insult to the victims and their familys, try living in the “real” world, like the rest of us!!
Crime is not down. Police saying something isn’t a crime and not reporting it does not mean it doesn’t exist. Phone theft, shoplifting, fare-dodging, illegal immigration, appalling Saturday might delinquency across the entire nation… this is only increasing.
The drugs in our local town alone are horrendous. The tattooed gangster weirdos turning up in flash BMWs and Mercedes to visit the Nail Bars/Turkish Barbers/Mobile phone shops…
Always suspected Nelson was just a deep state stool-pigeon.
ps Fraser obviously does not of the existence of places of enjoyment, talk, meeting up, called pubs. A wonderful aspect of English life for centuries but now shutting under heavy taxation and Stasi thought policing. Fraser, old chum, ten years ago pubs were not being crushed in this way.