Is the War Against Iran in British or European Interests?
After weeks of anticipation, Donald Trump has bombed Iran. Late last night, he announced in a press conference that airstrikes against three nuclear facilities were a “spectacular military success”, with all three facilities being “totally and completely obliterated”.
Whether that is in fact true will become clear over the next few days. Iran denies that the facilities have suffered irreparable damage, and even before the strikes some experts were sceptical that it would be possible to destroy Fordow—which is thought to be buried about 90m underground. The Iranians also claim that important materials had already been taken out of the facilities.
The real question is: what comes next?
Iran has already launched new strikes against Israel, reportedly hitting both Haifa and Tel-Aviv this morning. It’s therefore quite possible that the situation will continue to escalate. I hardly need to spell out what might happen: if Iran retaliates by attempting to strike US bases or ships in the region, or by ‘closing’ the Strait of Hormuz, the US would presumably feel the need to get more involved—and might even become a full participant in the war, alongside Israel.
If that were to happen, we could very well see regime change or the collapse of the Iranian state. While the country might be able to hold its own against Israel in a war of attrition, it seems unlikely that it could thwart the full power of the US Navy and Air Force.
Would that be good for Britain and the rest of Europe? It’s far from clear that it would.
To begin with, Iran closing the Strait of Hormuz—which it has been threatening to do since Israel’s surprise attack last Friday—would lead to a sharp rise in energy prices. (About 20% of oil and about 3% of gas passes through the Strait.) This is obviously the last thing Europe needs, as it claws its way out of the last energy crisis sparked by the War in Ukraine.
Even if it only took a few weeks for the US to ‘reopen’ the Strait by neutralising Iranian missile and drone capabilities, Europe’s economy could still take a sizeable hit (some experts say the price of oil might reach $100 a barrel). And given that months of US strikes against the less well-armed Houthis has not stopped them attacking Israel and Israeli ships, reopening the Strait could take far longer.
It’s also worth noting that the primary beneficiary of disruption to Gulf energy exports would be, you guessed it, Russia.
A rise in energy prices is not even the most serious potential consequence of further escalation. If the Iranian state collapses, Syria-style, there could be another mass exodus of refugees to Europe—just like the one in 2015, only larger. Iran has a population almost four times bigger than Syria did when a million Syrians fled to Europe. And there are hundreds of thousands of Iranians here already, whose families would surely seek to join them in the event of disaster.
Indeed, several commentators have already highlighted the prospect of a new refugee crisis, with one suggesting it could be the “largest refugee crisis in history”. President Erdogan, whose country hosts almost 3 million refugees, mostly Syrian, has warned that “a devastating war could create waves of irregular migration towards all the countries in the region”.
What do European leaders have to say about all this? All they can do is muster vapid statements about how Iran should “return to the negotiating table”, even though Iran was at the negotiating table when it was attacked, and the US unilaterally withdrew from the previous nuclear deal negotiated under Obama.
Is it too much to ask that our leaders take Europe’s interests into account?
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“…claws its way out of the last energy crisis sparked by the War in Ukraine”
It might have been sparked by it, but it’s perpetuated by the green cult.
The previous energy crisis was sparked by the war in Ukraine in the same way that the failure of the UK education system was sparked by Covid… self inflicted. This time the opinions of European leaders count for nothing.
Couldn’t agree more and by the looks of it plenty of others also.
I just want to know why that scepticism and mistrust of official narratives doesn’t seem to extend to the story about Iran’s nuclear programme.
I tend to agree though MajorMajor did make a reasonable point when he questioned why they refused to be inspected
The thoughts of a country like Iran with nuclear weapons
It’s for everybody’s benefit to make sure they don’t get them!
Even Kim jong Un isn’t mad enough to use them but Iran certainly would be
That’s what they want everyone to believe, anyway. That they’re mad, completely mad. You mention North Korea. That is exactly what they claimed about North Korea. That if they got a nuclear weapons terrorists everywhere would be given nuclear weapons by the crazy Koreans and it would be then end of all of us. And yet… It really pains me to see a community that was so totally sceptical about covid and how obvious a psyop it was swallow everything that comes its way the moment the muslim bogieman is waved at them. It’s the same bloody psyop every time. Take a shred of truth, exaggerate it wildly, make everyone believe they are in mortal danger, proceed with whatever you wanted to do on the basis that it’s for everyone’s protection. Jesus, come on, it’s the same play every freakin time. I don’t know if Iran has a nuclear weapon or not, is trying to get one or not, is about to get one or not. I don’t believe anyone actually knows. What I do know is that countries with nuclear weapons don’t use them except as a protection for their regimes. That’s it. Because their use guarantees everyone’s destruction.… Read more »
Vietnam.
9-11.
Iraq WMD. Remember that?
The Rona – fake flying bat virus. Yeah whatever guys.
Uke war after 2 CIA coups and threatening to install nukes in Uketopia. Yet blamed on Russia. Right on.
Now Iran has ‘nukes’ or is close. Iraq also had WMD….
Next year China.
55-60 or so conflicts engineered by NATO-US military since ’45.
It is called a pattern.
So in your world, Putin didn’t roll tanks into Ukraine. North
Vietnam didn’t invade South Vietnam. Al-Qaeda didn’t fly aircraft into the World Trade Center in NY. Your favorite organization, the UN, reports that Iran has enough 60% U-235 for 10 nuclear weapons. But according to you, they don’t really. In your world, Lockerbie never happened. Europe and the West haven’t ever experienced the 45 years of Islamic terrorist bombing, shootings, suicide vests, and the like. And in your world, Iran didn’t really fund Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, Boko Haram, Houthis, and on and on.
Just keep your eyes closed, like Dorothy in the Wizard of OZ. Reality will never intrude.
Not on Trump’s watch, thank the gods. Plenty of traitorous, useful idiot pro-jihadists appear to have no probs at all with the prospect of the Islamic Republic West-hating death cultists having nuclear bombs at their disposal. It boggles my mind that anyone would be this demented, but there you go. Nothing should surprise us anymore. An update; ”I’m gonna say something a bit different from what that source told the New York Times. He said Fordo was damaged Severely but wasn’t destroyed. So I’ll tell you what Israel’s current assessment is. First off all Natanz was completely wiped out. For Fordo and Isfahan, we’re waiting on more confirmations. Not because we think something didn’t work, but because it naturally takes longer for those deep underground sites. The big question now is whether Iran’s nuke program just went back a few years, or if it’s been totally erased. This relates to where the enriched uranium is. That uranium, enriched to 60%, is now incredibly hard for Iran to boost to the 90% needed for a bomb. Israel thinks most, if not all, of the enriched uranium was at Natanz or Isfahan. It wasn’t moved, so it was there during the attack.… Read more »
I read your post and it brings to mind the time during covid when people were watching obsessively to see if cases were going up or down, whether the decisive government action of lockdowns was working or not and managing to bring infections under control, counting hospitalisations and deaths from covid convinced that covid really was this thing that was coming to get them and the government was trying to protect them from. As if all the information they were getting was accurate and reflecting reality.
At least their facilities are open to international inspection whereas Israel flatly refuses inspections.
The Ukraine war didn’t cause a spike in prices.
It was the refusal of European “leaders” to continue to buy cheap Russian oil and gas.
Russia was quite happy to continue to sell its fossil fuels to anyone who didn’t harm Russia’s interests but the stupid politicians in the West had a totally jaundiced view of Russia’s “justified” actions against the US proxy Ukraine.
Israel is more likely to be on the end of a “regime change” than Iran.
Iran is unlikely to be defeated.
Just look at this video of ordinary Iranians filmed in December 2024 doing their Christmas shopping.
It’s about time the West realised Iran is a sophisticated country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYSRT1qO68c
No, no, no, Iran is a hellhole, run by bloodthirsty sadistic mullahs that can’t wait to kill everyone. In fact, they wouldn’t mind dying themselves because they’re so fanatical. Well, like a lot of muslims, right? We all know what muslims are like, only too ready to blow themselves and everyone around them up. Not all of them, obviously, but quite a few, right? And the Iranian mullahs especially. It’s a death cult actually, didn’t you know.
Ugghhh. The ignorance. It’s excruciating.
Cue: examples of horrible things done in Iran as “proof” that it’s actually a sadistic, maniacal death cult.
Well I don’t know about anyone else but my mind is completely changed by a short video clip of some people buying Christmas presents.
Yes, it is quite a stretch to imagine that the repressive Islamic regime has set up that video just to appear less repressive. I was straining to spot any burkas anywhere, or military police with scissors to cut of the hair of women provocatively flaunting it at poor, defenceless men, but not a one was seen.
It’s a long time before Christmas 2025 – spot the heading in that one (at least in our calendar).
It was filmed in December 2024 as I stated.
Some Iranians celebrate Christmas on January 6th and that is why the video was headed Christmas 2025.
No it won’t. The state of Iran’s so called nuclear programme has never been clear nor will it ever. That is what those who want to attack Iran take advantage of.
The claims about Iran’s nuclear weapons programme is one thing. The reality is something else which none of us have any clue about, unless you believe governments don’t lie and only give you accurate information, in which case you think you know.
Iran sits on lots of lovely energy dense oil, which it can use of its entire energy needs for hundreds of years to come. So, why do they need a nuclear industry to produce refined Uranium..?
Russia and the US have lots of oil, gas and coal too.
There are very few reasons why you need to have the ability of enriching Uranium to weapons grade. The prime one is ‘making weapons’.
How do we know that is what they were doing?
Israel flatly refuses to allow any international inspection of their facilities whereas Iran does.
Isn’t Britain sitting on lots of coal and offshore gas and oil yet we engage in nuclear technology and production facilities.
I think our Government lies. I also think that we should not believe a word the Iranian government says either. Judge them by their actions, not their words.
What actions? What words? Iran has been bombed out of the blue: first by Israel, now by USA. How do you expect Iran to react? Innocent civilians have been killed to what purpose? Iran was doing everything to avoid a conflict. They were led down the garden path by that despicable idiot, Trump, who pretended to be negotiating with them while plotting with Israel to kill their negotiators. Now just why would Israel kill negotiators? Because the negotiators had already agreed not to build atom bombs – their Supreme Leader had anyway forbidden it – but Israel was dying for a war with Iran. Why? To silence all dissent against Israel, among other reasons.
I struggle to find the energy to think about what geopolitical actions and developments may or may not be in “British or European interests” because Britain and Europe will cease to exist in the next X years where X is to be determined but is probably less than a few hundred years. The islands and the continent will still be there, and there may even still be countries called UK, Germany etc. but those places will have little in common with what we had here let’s say at the end of WW2.
Have you considered the possibility that the UK protection racket – i.e. the UK state – is actually quite keen on immigration from not so nice places because it’s a bit short on foot soldiers who are willing to go and fight for the protection racket?
Remember earlier in the Russia – Ukraine conflict, when some people in the government started floating the idea that conscription might be required, that we may need to go an fight the Russians and the reaction was, let’s just say, not terribly enthusiastic.
For a ruling elite that treats its population as farm animals for revenue and in earlier times, when necessary, as foot soldiers when they picked a fight with another ruling elite elsewhere, what do they care whether they’re brown, or white, or pink, Christian or Muslim. Revenue is revenue and cannon fodder is cannon fodder, no matter what colour or religion.
The only real limiting factor is social cohesion which they seem to be trying to fix with a bit of censorship and bullying, which as a happy coincidence, the new arrivals are already used to.
More likely that the UK elites will train and then turn the newcomers on their own population, all paid for by the working taxpayers.
Only on those who dare get a llittle too lippy and question the regime too publicly.
Like that lady who is in jail for a tweet about immigrants.
Yes that’s quite possibly one of the reasons
Are you sure about the stats for the Strait of Hormuz? There are some overland pipelines east to west for oil, but all of the LNG from Qatar etc has to travel by sea via Hormuz. Of course, if they do that they won’t be very popular with the UAE.
No doubt there will be some global market price rises for both crude oil and LNG; the USA won’t worry about that.
A question you have not asked is: Is it too much to ask the the Net Zero protagonists to reconsider the development of certain oilfields, such as Rosebank? Perhaps NZ is dead in the water for a while.
Is it in Europe’s interests for Iran to have nuclear weapons? Obviously not.
Nor Pakistan, nor India, nor Israel, nor North Korea, nor Russia, nor China. If you press me, I’d also prefer it if neither the French nor the Americans had them.
Ideally, only Britain would have nuclear weapons. That’s what I think would be in the UK’s best interest.
What does everyone else think?
I would agree if I trusted our government!
I think nuclear weapons don’t exist.
I agree with those who say that Hiroshima & Nagasaki were Firebombed, like Dresden.
Einstein was a plagiarist and a charlatan.
I think nobody should have nuclear weapons – especially not Starmer. Why should UK have them? All the while we are carting the things around, any idiot could make a simple mistake and boom …
Iran’s leader has forbidden their development in Iran because he regards weapons of mass destruction to be ‘unholy’. It would be nice if all the Christian countries were of the same opinion.
No nuclear weapons. Period. I certainly don’t trust the Americans. Their fake ‘space’ program’s objective is to set up nukes in space pointed back at Earth. That is SDI in a nutshell. Once installed they will be the NWO.
Clearly plenty of people buy the whole story that Iran was about to get nuclear weapons. (This time it’s true, promise…)
I don’t buy it. And I don’t think Trump actually buys it either. I think he’s tossed a few bombs on their “nuclear sites” which everyone now knows the names of and so they think they are well informed. And he’s going to claim that there, it’s all gone now, we can get back to business.
I have a way that might demonstrate whether I’m right or not. What is going to ensue now is a narrative battle between those that want to provoke a bigger war claiming that actually the nuclear programme hasn’t been destroyed at all and it’s still a danger and the Trump camp who are going to insist that it’s all been obliterated.
There, I’ve made a prediction and stand ready to proved wrong.
If they close the strait then it should be a lesson in energy security, which as we know neither the UK nor the EU has due to infantile energy policies. QED.
This is part of British and EU interests depending the consequences. Given the Hamas charter and Iranian support for Hamas and Oct 7th , this is all part of the same thing. Israel policy is one of never again and Hamas and also Iranian policy is yes do it ‘again’ and proved it with the Oct 7th pogrom. Israel now has no choice. Never again , has finally become now. Whether their David can slay the Islamic giant is another matter, and so poking the scorpion might actually in the end guarantee the heavier bite and they might be defeated, but what else can they do. They must defeat the Hamas charter and all that supports it or go down fighting. On this basis I think Israel has dragged US not reluctantly into the war, because Israel they can,t bust Goliaths bunker. It is only the fall out from this which may then have implications interests for UK Europe. But we weren’t at the initial table. We will choose the side of international trade.
One thing’s for sure. Israel think it’s in their best interests.
And to hell with the rest of the world.
It’s almost as if the USA is their lapdog. Then one may wonder why, perhaps because it is Jews who control the US. The American political system is owned by Israel. Trump? – different wrapping paper – no more wars lol, same parcel.
A pertinent observation from Medvedev-
It would be in the world’s best interests for Israel and Iran never to have Nukes. But just in case Israel has, there are plenty of countries willing to give Iran one.
The vast majority of countries in the world oppose the actions of Israel and the US.
The prospect of a ground invasion looms
The notion the fall of the Iranian Islamofascist regime is against European interests is preposterous. The Iranian state will not stop existing if the current thugs are internally deposed.
Of course you are right for the reasons you cite and for many more besides but unfortunately it is simply impossible for this country to step out of line with the agenda. All you can do as a citizenry is make it clear that it isn’t in your name and to be fair I think this has already happened. I wish there was a way but I don’t think that there will be for a good few days and this situation is one where every hour pregnant with emergency. Might be a good idea to ask your government about building more civil defence shelters because to my knowledge there isn’t adequate underghround shelter for the entire population of this country. This would be a prudent step when considering responses from enemies and the very real prospect of the Samson Option.
‘Not in our name’ doesn’t really work when they arrest you for Treason.
We can shelter in the Bat Tunnels built for HS2. They are good enough for bats then they are good enough for us.
I agree. Stick the lot of us in the tunnel. Who would win? I would say the Geordies with the Scots in second place. They love their own but at the same time they would have no issue with kebabing and eating soft southern tossers. They will see their cannibalism as a Jihad. I think living in these islands we should always give thanks for the remarkable diversity of our people within such a small geographical area.
Ha-ha! 🙂
Acknowledge a sinister truth that has underwritten this situation since the year 2000. Tony Benn spoke about. There is a body of people withiin Christianity and Judaism who believe that we have to experience Armageddon in order for Jesus or the Mashiach to come back. When the elect will either be spared or at least be served by 2000 goyim each. This isn’t a laughable fringe view we just like to pretend that it is.
We already have a situation where millions are cancelling their direct debits with energy companies simply because they can no longer afford to pay. People talk about the global effect of the Iranian decision to close their waters but the effect on Europe and especially Britain is way higher than what is being described. This is an action that cannot be fought or reversed quickly. A man in the chemist shop the other day told me that he has £1.50 a day to spend on food. That will seem like a luxury to him in a few weeks time. There is this crazy British conceit about your pride being tied up with how much hardship you can endure. Can you not see that this is just an implant from the oligarchy to keep you quiet as possible for as long as possible?
Maybe you like seeing your senior citizens and disabled people freezing to death alone in the winter. I would suggest that you might not enjoy enduring the same fate. Because that is what your mindset guarantees. Your cult of self and imbecility. Guess what, a lot of the world woke up as you were stewing in your own vomit. There are many intelligent nations in the world that you view as third world animals. A look in the mirror perhaps?
Yes we are at the end of this financial system and that can’t be stopped on a simple mathematical level. You don’t understand the Shi, they are different from the rest of the human race. Persian thinking is deeply occluded from western scrutiny but you have to understand that Shiism was born of the Iranian magical and mystical tradition. There is an adversary within Zoroastrianism called Ahriman. Ahriman can best be described as the tyranny of number, the desire to systematise. Christianity attempts to contain Ahriman within Satan but it is a very separate force. If you do not understand the battle between humanity and Ahriman then you will never understand Iran or overcome the Shi.
No government ot intelligence agency can do that you dig. So where is the wisdom? Not with your leaders any day of the week. Where do you go from there?
The Iranians have been planning for a long time. They are a very melancholy people. They know that the worst case scenario will come true. Their strategy is to assume that Israel offloads all its nukes onto Iran and the major cities are destroyed. The plan is to have sufficient infrastructure underground in order to bombard Israel for three years. Just look at Persia and Turkey in terms of underground cities that they built 4000 years ago for a cataclysm far greater than this one. We are shielding a flickering flame.
Nietzsche commented that we would have a very different legacy and tendency if it was the Persians rather than the Greeks that brought our tradition forward. Look on the bright side, the Persian tradition has been occluded for so long that when it is discovered it will reinvogorate our intellectual landscape. I can say with confidence that such an introduction would have an immensely beneficial effect. Especially on the English. The Iranians and the English are remarkably similar in certain mysterious ways.
They have you and Israel by the balls. I bet you didn’t expect that, 40 percent of Tel Aviv destroyed and about half a trillion worth of damage. Trust me you aren’t coming back. Not with all the king’s horses and all the king’s men.
The absence of evidence for Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program is glaring, yet often sidelined in mainstream discourse. According to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), there is no concrete proof that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons or has attempted to build such devices. IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi has explicitly stated, “We don’t have information indicating that Iran has a nuclear weapons program” (Defense Mirror, 2025). This aligns with historical assessments, such as the 2007 U.S. National Intelligence Estimate, which concluded with high confidence that Iran had halted any nuclear weapons program in 2003 (National Intelligence Council, 2007). Despite this, articles like the one published here shift focus to geopolitical flashpoints like the Strait of Hormuz, a critical chokepoint for global oil trade. This framing fits neatly into a technocratic capitalist agenda, where strategic control over resources and trade routes often overshadows inconvenient truths about military pretexts. The Strait’s mention evokes fears of economic disruption, priming readers for interventionist narratives without questioning the underlying evidence—or lack thereof. Reflecting on Western military interventions, particularly those led by the United States, one must ask: how many target nations have actually benefited? Iraq and Libya, both subjected to regime change under dubious… Read more »
One word – Deagle
Interesting statement from Judge Napolitano on the attack against Iran (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P7F2YARMaY): What the President of the United States did [ordered and the military carried out last night and this morning in Iran] was profoundly unconstitutional, absolutely unlawful, was an impeachable offence and was a war crime. Under our Constitution, only the Congress can declare war, not the President, and Congress can only declare war on a country that poses an immediate and grave military threat to the United States of America. President Trump has started a war with Iran which poses no threat, let alone immediate or grave, whatsoever to the national security of the United States of America. Under an unconstitutional statute but still the law, the War Powers Resolution, the President is required to give notice to Congress and give Congress an opportunity to respond before he attacks a foreign country. He can carry out the response but he has to tell Congress and give Congress an opportunity to respond. He not only ignored the Constitution, he ignored that law. As unconstitutional as it is, it hasn’t been tested by the courts, it is still the law, the President ignored it. Killing people and destroying property in another… Read more »
Yes.
Islam must be purged from Europe and the west. If we don’t, simply put, we will be wiped out.
It has no place here, it is a hostile regressive medieval culture and Iran is the head of this hideous Hydra.
Honestly I’d be all for another Crusade and despite my advancing years I’d join up with no hesitation.
I think the danger is not the religion but those that do evil things in its name.
Islam must be purged …
How about purging Christianity or better all religions? Is it not the case that Muslims are being ‘wiped out’ by Christians and/or Jews, as opposed to the other way around? And you wish to rejuvenate the Crusades, while describing Islam as a ‘hostile regressive medieval culture’?
Constantinople (now Istanbul) was sacked during the fourth Crusade in 1204. Do you think they were nice, friendly, British crusaders saying, “Dear woman, would you mind awfully if I deprive you of your belongings and rape your daughter?”.
For goodness sake, there are 2 billion Muslims in the world and if you had been born south or east of UK, you would most likely be one of them. And those 2 billion want nothing more than to enjoy their lives and live in peace, just like the overwhelming majority of UK’s population.
Why is the West doing its utmost to destroy so many people’s lives and livelihoods in far-off countries that are absolutely no threat to the West?
If the Iranian regime collapses, surely that should free the Iranian people? Why would they all leave? Why then and not now?
Is it too much to ask that our leaders take Europe’s interests into account?
Simple answer – YES!
They are clueless and useless.
Europe will cease to exist as a collection of free countries within the next 30 years. The Seppuku has been successful.