The Last Chance to Save Britain?

Where others see the river of time flowing as it always has, the reactionary sees the debris of paradise drifting past his eyes.

Mark Lilla, The Shipwrecked Mind: on Political Reaction

The philosopher Mark Lilla’s observation could not better summarise an article by Lord David Frost in the Telegraph. We seem to live in an era when edge-of-the-cliff warnings proliferate. The BBC has the usual climate Armageddon story, this time ‘Three years left to limit warming to 1.5°C‘, but for Frost the end is more of an existential one and imminent for the Britain we have known. He looks back over the changes of the last three decades and wonders what how astonished we would have thought back then had we been able to see into the future and seen:

That we would have ignored the well-known fact of the mass gang rape of young girls across British cities for decades;

That the British state would be unable to build a railway line between London and Birmingham and would spend nearly £100 billion proving it;

That Parliament would allow women to kill their unborn baby at any point without committing any crime.

You might have said in response that surely there must have been a massive change in the demographic, cultural, practical and indeed moral characteristics of Britain to make this possible. You might have said “That doesn’t sound like the same country I live in now”, the country which had dragged itself out of a huge economic and political hole, played a huge role in winning the Cold War, and just finished building a tunnel under the sea to France.

Frost’s view is that there has been a severance of modern Britain from its past:

What we are living through today, in a phrase, is an unprecedented break in national continuity. As a country we are disconnecting from the old Britain. The Britain of our national story is disappearing, the Britain of the Romans through the Anglo-Saxons, the Normans, the Tudors, Nelson and Wellington, the two World Wars and even the Attlee settlement.

Gone is the Britain of Christianity and the Church as a core component of British identity, and moral judgement has become utilitarian, about what is convenient, disconnected from any traditional, let alone transcendental, set of values.

Fast receding is the Britain of real state capacity and national ambition, as we move from Victorian St Pancras to the hole in the ground at Euston, from the first nuclear power station back to the windmill.

He blames in part the mass migration of the last 10 to 20 years, transforming London into a foreign city. But, more important he argues, is the rise of secular progressivism that has “turbo-charged into aggressive wokeism, with its belief that the historical past is irrelevant and probably actively immoral, and its determination to produce heaven on earth by releasing people from one inherited constraint after another, including finally those of biology itself”.

He particularly focuses on the supplanting of ‘Great Britain’ by ‘United Kingdom’, and looks to a messianic hope:

We need politicians who can see what’s going on and who care enough to get the country moving again – and who can reach back to the past, back beyond that break in continuity, to get the national energy to make it happen.

It’s difficult to assess now objectively how much better or successful Britain was in the recent past. In 1940 young men were piled up on the beaches at Dunkirk or flying Spitfires and Hurricanes in the Battle of France and then the Battle of Britain. But post-War Britain was a derelict, seedy place, with all the signs of a worn-out, exhausted once-great power. And more often than not, modern newspapers are keener to recount fights on aircraft and drunken, bloodied brawls at Ascot than anything edifying.

Those of us old enough to remember the 1970s are likely to recall a world of strikes, rusting Cortinas and advanced industrial decline. Only the shabby tinsel of glam rock shone a light through the murk of Ted Heath’s three-day week and Arthur Scargill’s comb-over haircut flapping in the wind on the picket lines. But it’s also true that even among those who once derided Margaret Thatcher are plenty who now yearn for politicians with a matching level of vision and commitment and who could walk the world stage like titans.

Are we really on the edge of a precipice? If we are, the extent of the change is so deep it is hard to imagine how anyone now could reverse it. Or perhaps the truth is every age is condemned to watching the debris of paradise being washed past down the river of no return.

One thing is certain though. Boris Johnson was wide of the mark when he made his statement to the Commons on July 25th 2019 (the day after David Frost was appointed his Europe Adviser and Chief Negotiator for Exiting the European Union), announcing:

We will be able to look back on this period – this extraordinary period – as the beginning of a new golden age for our United Kingdom.

He was right about it being extraordinary though.

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Hester
Hester
9 months ago

We are f@@@@d.

sskinner
9 months ago
Reply to  Hester

As east as that? What happened at the opening year of WW2 when we had one catastrophe after another (excluding the Battle of Britain). Do we fold that easy? Those against our culture would want us to just roll over and they are doing a good job of convincing people that its game over. We don’t have to believe them.

sskinner
9 months ago
Reply to  sskinner

“As easy as that…” Is what I meant.

DiscoveredJoys
DiscoveredJoys
9 months ago

You could simplify a lot of political ideology into two contrasting themes:

“This time it will be different” vs “This time it will stay the same”.

Neither, of course, is purely a matter of policy, and you have the strange inversion of TwoTier harking back to the years of Tony Blair whilst claiming that this time class war will work.

Lord Frost has a better argument about going back to the future but there appears to be no acceptable plan to move there from here.

But it’s also true that even among those who once derided Margaret Thatcher are plenty who now yearn for politicians with a matching level of vision and commitment and who could walk the world stage like titans.

So true, but the world is a different place. There are signs that the old elites are on the way out but it will take years, probably decades, for the ‘new normal/old normal’ to become part of peoples’ attitudes.

huxleypiggles
9 months ago

Treachery has engulfed this country since Maggie was ousted and we have been hurtling towards oblivion ever since. Bliar turbo-charged the treason and every administration thereafter simply compounded the destruction. We are on a road to nowhere and with nobody save Tommy Robinson lifting a finger in fightback, which is why he is so dangerous to the establishment. And those pushing the carnage on behalf of the evil cadre above will wallow in the shyte and simply repeat the words of Richard Tice – “I’ll be long gone.”

We are living through an absolute horror show which will eventually reduce to a version of Mad Max. God help the children.

10navigator
10navigator
9 months ago

From ‘Bring on the Rosy Cheeked Girls’ by Mike Harding, The England of circa 50 years (light years it seems) ago.

Then bring on the lads,
The smiling lads,
The open-handed, shoulder-to-the-wheel lads,
Lame dogs helped over stiles lads,
Take a pint, stand a corner lads,
Good laughing lads,
Lads with a quart of life in their hands
And eyes that look straight . . .
Bring on the tall, the short, the long,
The runners, the walkers,
Those that can hammer, those that can turn out a song
Bring on the fat, the thin, the bald and the hairy,
Young or old,
So long as they sup life by the gallon . . .
So long as they’re merry.

Heretic
Heretic
9 months ago
Reply to  10navigator

Beautiful.

Marcus Aurelius knew
9 months ago

In August 2023, my wife and I left England for France with our two children. Mainly it was because we were pulled away by what – after two decades of visiting France together for pleasure – we knew would be a better life, in every way. But in the final years before we emigrated, it became equally about all the things pushing us away.

Now living here, we see very few of the problems detailed about France in British mainstream media. What we do see is much more pride (the real type), identity, cohesion, courtesy, respect. People are not beaten down here. They know the politicians are as bad as everywhere else, but unlike in the UK, where we witness a disturbing growth of totalitarianism, the French are far more ready to exclaim,

“If we don’t have the right to do something, we go left!”

All this being said, I am hopeful things in England will not descend too much further. And I do not want weak neighbours.

transmissionofflame
9 months ago

It’s encouraging to hear what you have found. I wonder if it’s partly connected to where in England vs where in France you live. Perhaps there are parts of England more like where you are in France.

sskinner
9 months ago

Yes, metropolitan versus rural.

transmissionofflame
9 months ago
Reply to  sskinner

That’s what I was thinking. I moved away from London but not far enough – we have a bloody Labour MP now and a Lib Dem council. Being pursued by Champagne Socialists.

sskinner
9 months ago

“If we don’t have the right to do something, we go left!”
That makes no sense. It is the left than monopolise restricting and controlling people especially the individual.

Grim Ace
Grim Ace
9 months ago

And France is also becoming a caliphate. Good luck with that.

BS Whitworth
BS Whitworth
9 months ago

Give me rusting Cortinas over what we face now.

sskinner
9 months ago
Reply to  BS Whitworth

I got 100,000 miles out of my Mk4 before I sold it and it wasn’t that rusty, but yes.

JohnK
9 months ago

Johnson wide of the mark is not news, unfortunately. To be fair to Ford, most other cars were just as bad when it came to rusting in those days. There was even an aftermarket for anti rust painting, until the manufacturers improved their manufacturing techniques. While Ziebart still appear to be trading, who uses it now on their car?

Ron Bramwell
Ron Bramwell
9 months ago

It’s British Socialism, Orwell saw it all including the forever wars.

GlassHalfFull
9 months ago
Reply to  Ron Bramwell

It’s “liberalism” not socialism.
There’s hardly any of us old socialists left in Britain.

Ally
Ally
9 months ago

David Betz is right about civil war. We are heading for an almighty crack up whether we like or not. He says it is baked in due to elite failure, a polarised society, economic collapse and an expectation gap where young people are poorer than their parents. He advises people to read up on Yugoslavia and get out of the cities before they go feral. Dark times indeed.

ELH
ELH
9 months ago
Reply to  Ally

I think the Yugoslavia point is a very good one. The men in those days had all done military service so knew where the weapons were and more importantly how to use them.

GlassHalfFull
9 months ago

Give me Scargill over Thatcher any day.

sskinner
9 months ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

He was a Marxist and wanted the overthrow of the democratically elected British Government. He also, like the IRA, had support from Libya, which in turn had support from Russia.
And…
Scargill defended Stalin against critics, expressing weariness with the negative portrayals of the Soviet Union and Stalin by “experts”. According to Wikipedia, Scargill found fault with those who “criticize the Soviet Union and, in particular, Stalin”. This stance aligns with his broader socialist political views and his celebration of the Soviet revolution. “

GlassHalfFull
9 months ago
Reply to  sskinner

Nothing wrong with that.

sskinner
9 months ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

His outlook and values is why Thatcher won over many Labour voters. The only way Communism (and Islam) can win over people is by violent revolution because they cannot win over the majority just with persuasion. In addition both Communism and Islam are quite happy with being deceitful and lying if it furthers their cause. That shows you how good each ideology is.

Jaguar
Jaguar
9 months ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

Scargill’s policy was to produce 200 million tons of coal a year, regardless of cost, and regardless of whether anyone wanted the coal or not. Most coal miners realised this was insane.

Bill Bailey
Bill Bailey
9 months ago

Growing up in post war London was hard, but culturally superior by any measure. The socialists movement played havoc by wrecking the schools system, building instant slums and allowing the trades union to run havoc. We had a brief respite when Thatcher sorted things out but Major set the scene for Blair, it’s been down hill since then.
now we are on the verge of an AI revolution with the prospect of massive job losses and our deranged elite are still importing millions, lowering the standard of living and generally wrecking what’s left of the shithole they’ve created.

Grim Ace
Grim Ace
9 months ago

We need someone who is hard as nails with a heart of stone for weakness and laziness. Crush the left. Ban unions. Ban
Islam. Deport millions of illegals and all recebt arrivals since 2019. Cut welfare. Cut all government departments budgets by 20% increase defence spending to 6% of gdp. Build more jails. Clear out the activist, communist judiciary. Clean up the police. Etc.
Time for harsh measures across the whole system.

thechap
thechap
9 months ago
Reply to  Grim Ace

I agree with all of that, except for banning unions. I’d reduce their influence on government, but workers do need representation – from honest organisations with a desire to take an holistic approach.

clive17
clive17
9 months ago

concerning the illegals here in the uk many are scared to death of being called a racist so much so theyve been silenced not understanding that there silence will be taken as there consent FACT

RTSC
RTSC
9 months ago

Oh the irony of Frost saying:

We need politicians who can see what’s going on and who care enough to get the country moving again – and who can reach back to the past, back beyond that break in continuity, to get the national energy to make it happen.

His beloved CONservative Party is significantly responsible for the current collapse. After the appalling Cameron and May Premierships, Johnson had an 80 seat majority and the ability to start turning things around.

He didn’t; he doubled-down on the destruction which is why the Party had a near-death experience last year and are facing a possible Extinction in the next one.

Yet Frost remains a CONservative Peer and part of the problem, refusing to be a part of the possible solution.

Old Brit
Old Brit
9 months ago

In history it takes a war to reset value. You might think we have the freedom to do it for ourselves, but the problem it it is a loss of the sense of proportionality, due to the growth of the status of conceptuality in understanding, so we think we have options but they don’t work

mistaron
mistaron
9 months ago

Two of the factors most responsible for the loss of our once great country are the complete capture of Education and the legacy media. We lost control of education to vast numbers covertly indoctrinated into socially Liberal, Woke activists, instead of healthy, critical and enquiring graduates. The hands behind this agenda have primarily been powerful NGO’s funded by oligarchs and governments, hellbent on their vision of a Globalised, digitally controlled planet. Once the corridors of learning had been infiltrated, our universities were utilised to gradually groom and feed proponents of the ‘Liberal’ agenda into positions of power. Within two or three generations, every essential institution retaining influence over the social order, security, and of course, protecting our nation’s prosperity and continued survival, have been compromised by taking on and promoting these people. With blanket support on matters of national and personal import, and invariably concurrence from all the ‘respected’, nationally accepted, purveyors of truth, i.e. the legacy media, and our remarkable, sheep-like faith in the main TV News channels, we’ve gradually succumbed to the gross mendacity behind just about everything we’ve been ‘instructed’ and led to believe. Further afield it is almost impossible to garner truth, be it from scientist… Read more »

Crosby
Crosby
9 months ago

The break up of Britain now fully underway in Starmerism, see J Sorel’s DS article, was planned and set in slow motion in 1997 by Blair. Labour could never win an election so determined to break up that stubborn middle England consensus, by changing the electorate. Britain was split into nations. Human Rights were the tool, ECHR and Equality Act set up tribes against each other to stop criticism of demographic change with the racism grenade. Multiculturalism was the lovely concept validating this segmentation of Britain and its core norms, protected characteristics applied to minority customs, while ‘white privilege’, colonialism, historic slavery, heterosexual normativity, etc etc.
Salllust must live in the Highlands not to feel like ‘a stranger’ – Starmer’s term – in our cities with the Tower of Babel echo chamber of different languages shutting out English. Freedom of speech is no mere accident of the past, it transcends passing cultural mores, it is foundational, and that is being bunker busted by Woke Labour, even academe, churches, etc. Sallust is wrong, Frost is entirely correct and not to be smeared as a daft sentimental conservative.