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godknowsimgood
godknowsimgood
10 months ago

Banning burkas might appear to take away women’s freedom of choice, but as many Muslim women are forced to wear a burka, banning burkas would give these women the freedom not to wear it, which is more important than the freedom to wear it.

JDee
JDee
10 months ago
Reply to  godknowsimgood

Freedom of expression depends on identity and also responsibility for that expression. Given that a burka hides identity it is not an expression of freedom it is instead a subversion of it. Reciprocity suggests that you should not deny another their freedom of expression, and is a two edged sword, that context means you cannot freely deny the basis of your own freedom either.

transmissionofflame
10 months ago
Reply to  JDee

I disagree strongly – but that doesn’t matter. It’s an interesting topic in a way. I really don’t like the things, don’t want to see them around me. I don’t encounter them much, so I am not overly affected, but I might feel differently if I lived somewhere where I saw them often. I think businesses and organizations should feel free to tell people (customers and workers) that they cannot wear them, and there’s a case for preventing them being worn in any public building. I don’t like the idea of telling adults what they can and cannot wear walking down the street and feel this is something of a side issue but then again not – it’s basically symbolic. Calling for a ban is saying to those people who wear them and those who expect people to wear them “Your version of your culture is not welcome here”. If that is what people mean, which is fair enough, then they should say it. I think it’s kind of awkward though when the people involved are here legally and have committed no crimes. France doesn’t allow them. I don’t know how it has worked out in France. I mean France… Read more »

thechap
thechap
10 months ago

I pretty much agree with you. For me the burka and some other national costumes remind me of the incompatability of certain cultures with ours. Incompatible cultures will *never* get on. That’s just human nature.

I don’t like the idea of banning any clothing (withing obvious reason). Banning clothing would make the non-woke as bad as the woke, who want to ban everything that disagrees with their world view.

My preferred method of reducing burka use would be the mass deportation of all those who shouldn’t have been allowed here in the first place, and those currently here illegally, while at the same time closing our borders until we get our immigration act together.

transmissionofflame
10 months ago
Reply to  thechap

Thanks – I agree.

thechap
thechap
10 months ago
Reply to  thechap

Another point about burka banning… There is no way the old bill would enforce it. They are too far gone woke-wise, despite the secret beliefs of many individual officers. Senior officers would instruct a blind eye be given to burka usage.

Alan M
Alan M
10 months ago

You are not allowed to enter many establishments wearing a full motor cycle helmet for security reasons. How is a burka any different?

transmissionofflame
10 months ago
Reply to  Alan M

I agree – I think it’s fine to ask people to remove them.

Some may argue that it’s a religious thing but I am not overly into the concept of “protected characteristics”.

Mogwai
10 months ago
Reply to  JDee

The problem is there’s no ”freedom” in that particular form of ‘expression’. Not for females born into this culture. But they’re brainwashed from a young age to go along with it, even believing it’s a choice, when there is no free will involved whatsoever. ‘Cultural differences’ should not be tolerated when these are contradictory and at complete odds with our own customs, values and laws. For instance, how is it that women have equal rights under the law in Britain but that somehow doesn’t extend to Muslim women having to endure this level of subjugation? All this is doing is enabling parallel societies to exist and grow. Ban the damn Sharia courts! Laws of the land should trump all so-called ‘cultural differences’.

huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Seconded 👍

transmissionofflame
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Well there are all sorts of parallel cultures going on in the UK and have been for a long time. A lot of them don’t cause much trouble as far as I can see. I think it’s about numbers, context, time and place, compatibility. My justification for a burka ban (which I am not on balance in favour of) would not be about helping that community to be freer but would be for entirely selfish reasons – I think being in contact with people covering their faces is just very unpleasant. Maybe if we were less eager to be so “welcoming” and expected people to integrate, we would not be in this mess – but I think it’s hard when the numbers get too big. My mum came here from Germany in 1950 and absolutely embraced our culture, language, habits and values. Easier for Germans though I guess as they are cousins.

Dinger64
10 months ago
Reply to  JDee

Do they not have the choice to live somewhere that it’s legal? Same goes both ways, you cannot force a country to adapt to your version of freedom..just leave and live free somewhere else!

Mogwai
10 months ago
Reply to  godknowsimgood

I don’t know if you’re following Kellie-Jay Keen on Twitter who has been featuring many posts from Muslim women sharing their personal experiences regarding this particular issue. Here’s just one of lots; “The oppression of women in our society doesn’t stop at clothing choices, driving, or working. Even when a woman is ‘allowed’ to live freely, society punishes her for it. Misogyny runs deep. It’s not just about controlling how we dress or covering our faces. Even if a woman has a supportive family, society will still label her a slut, question her morality, and insult her relatives especially the men for not ‘controlling’ her. We’re blamed for everything. If we face sexual harassment, it’s our fault for wearing a colorful abaya, for being outside alone, for showing a strand of hair. Society defends the abuser and shames the victim. Even women judge each other harshly. There’s this toxic mindset that if a woman is fully covered, she is “pure” and superior, while another woman who shares the same religion, the same culture, and the same beliefs is seen as dirty or immoral just because she shows her face or dresses differently. Morals don’t matter only appearance. That kind of… Read more »

Jack the dog
Jack the dog
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

The story of the poor wee girls not allowed to swim because of their fucking paki father’s religious mania is quite heartbreaking.

transmissionofflame
10 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Well, if you’re into hoping that the lives of such women can be improved (in your view) then I suppose this could be a positive that comes out of the unfortunate position we’re in now where we have millions of people from alien cultures in our midst. I’m not personally into wanting to “fix” other cultures’ “problems”, but I suppose if we are stuck with them then perhaps this is something positive to focus on.

For the avoidance of doubt, I find the situations referred to above quite upsetting and would not wish this for anyone.

Grim Ace
Grim Ace
10 months ago

Proud to be a right wing nationalist fighting against the far left, communist scum who work for Prevent, and other establishment agencies that are enemies of rmthe safety and security of our native people. We own this land, not them. This is our country. These islands belong to Anglo Celts. No one else.

Remigrate! Repatriate! Them all.

huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  Grim Ace

Seconded 👍

Dinger64
10 months ago

“The death of the Tory Party has been exaggerated”

Not sure where the daily mail is looking!..maybe on the daily eternal optimist website

Dinger64
10 months ago

“Most of the country are terrorists under this definition!”

True British patriots could start a new protest with banners reading

# ‘je suis un terroriste’

and a Union flag in the other hand! 🇬🇧

huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  Dinger64

Nice one Dinger.

There’s an idea for a t-shirt.

Baldrick
Baldrick
10 months ago

This popped up on youtube on some debate at Oxford Uni a few days ago. Some professor- quite critical of Islam i think. :-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnUNsnwQZf4

CGW
CGW
10 months ago

On Thursday’s Judging Freedom broadcast with Scott Ritter (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p_faUdJT3w), the latter credibly claims that the recent Ukrainian attack on Russia’s nuclear aircraft (and, incidentally, also on the helicopter carrying President Putin) were planned, organized and coordinated by MI6. In which case, “A nuclear power, Great Britain, empowered a non-nuclear state, Ukraine, to launch a pre-emptive strike using conventional weapons against Russia’s strategic nuclear deterrence. That violates at least two clauses of Russia’s nuclear doctrine … on the conditions under which Russia will use nuclear weapons. “That means that you are creating the conditions for a nuclear war. “Now, the British have taken the lead in saying that Russia is bluffing and one of the challenges that confronts Vladimir Putin today is if he doesn’t respond decisively then you sort of hardwire in the notion that Russia is bluffing … “I don’t believe that Russia will use nuclear weapons but the fact is … the Russians have to come up with a retaliation that resets their doctrine. They have to put the British on notice that the next time you do this, it’s automatic: London disappears.” Unfortunately, everything Scott Ritter said in the video sounds very sensible to me. With all… Read more »

Heretic
Heretic
10 months ago

“Undercover at Youth Demand’s awards for arrested activists” – A Times reporter attends three events that launched Youth Demand, the group taking up the mantle of public disruption from Just Stop Oil, and tells all.” Now guess what has just happened to a Columbian Patriot presidential candidate, Miguel Uribe Turbay, who DENIES CLIMATE CHANGE, after denouncing Columbia’s Leftist President Gustavo Petro for lying to the public about it? The same thing that happened to the Ethnic African leaders of five countries who refused to force covid vaccines upon their people… They were all assassinated, and replaced by willing Globalist tools who immediately launched forced vaccinations upon their people (Haiti, Tanzania, Ivory Coast, Eswatini & Burundi). Colombian Patriot Senator Miguel Uribe Turbay, whose journalist mother was murdered by a drug cartel when he was only four years old, has been shot twice in the head while addressing a rally. Only a month ago, his Leftist opponent President Gustav Petro was denied a visa to enter the USA by the Trump administration. Miguel Uribe Turbay: Colombian Presidential candidate shot in head at rally | The Standard This is what happens to Patriots in South America, and Europe: their Marxist rivals hire hitmen to assassinate… Read more »