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stewart
11 months ago

Kemi Badenoch will not “chase Reform to the Right” 

Question.

If Stalin is on the far left and Hitler is on the farright and people like Blair and Cameron and John Major are in the centre where does someone like me, who believes is almost zero state intervention, sit?

Steve-Devon
11 months ago
Reply to  stewart

Maybe its time to think about life in more 3 dimensional terms, politics today seems to sit within the confines of a protected, risk averse society that seems to value safety and protection more than it values freedom.
To my mind true freedom involves taking a risk, chancing your arm but of course if you take this approach you might lose and your might suffer and that sort of thing is not tolerated in our cotton wool world.

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
   And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
   And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
   To serve your turn long after they are gone,   
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
   Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

stewart
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I’ve written this before. It was an absolute genius move by socialists after WWII to brand the Nazis as far right.

In doing so they transformed their sectarian fight into the entire political spectrum and after 80 years of that, the condition of minimal state or government interference in one’s life, the default state of affairs for most of human history, has been almost banished from people’s minds so that they struggle even to conceive it.

When you talk of actual freedom, the common response is to be regarded as eccentric, unrealistic. It’s viewed with horror.

Huxley really nailed it. But I guess it was easier to see in the 30’s when the transformation was taking place and people would still have had first hand experience of freedom in one’s life.

NeilParkin
11 months ago
Reply to  stewart

Hitler on the far right..? The leader of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.? Its a common misconception, probably due to the nationalism, but the Nazi’s were really a left wing, totalitarian, collective minded kind of outfit.

If you believe in zero government, then you are an anarchist, and should join an Anarchist group, although I have to warn you, no-one turns up to the meetings.

Dinger64
11 months ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Sorry for repeating your post Neil, didnt see it till afterwards 😞

Steve-Devon
11 months ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

And yet if you do an on-line search you will most likely find Hitler described as a fascist and the Nazi’s as a far right fascist party. Perhaps that brings us back to the old idea that the far left and the far right meet at the bottom and are much the same.

NeilParkin
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Facism is national collectivism, (‘all to join together as one’) and it was Mussolini’s big idea, developed with Giovanni Gentile. I do see your point about a continuum, but I think its really got more to do with the population at large seeing these figures as all part of one ‘enemy’ during WW2, whereas their philosophies and beliefs were very different.

Dinger64
11 months ago
Reply to  stewart

(Hitler was far left too!- the National socialist german workers party)

Kemi should not need to ‘follow’ Reform to the right, they are tories, they should already be there!

stewart
11 months ago
Reply to  Dinger64

I know Hitler and the Nazis were socialists (left) but in common political discourse they are branded Far Right. Neo Nazi groups are defined as Far Right.

I guess you completely missed my point that there is no space in the spectrum of common political discourse for the idea of limited government.

It has been wiped out,eliminated. Or worse. Those who advocate the reduction of government and regulation are generally referred to as Right wing. Reagan, Thatcher, Milton Friedman.

So it follows that if you believe in minimal government you would be extreme right. The same as Hitler and the Nazis. Which is patently absurd.

So, again, where on the political spectrum does a believer in very limited government sit?

transmissionofflame
11 months ago
Reply to  stewart

Good question. I doubt many who use the terms “far left” and “far right” could coherently explain what specifically it is about whoever they are describing that makes it one of the two, or outline a generally applicable set of criteria that can be applied. I think you nailed the problem earlier when you mentioned the hijacking of the “right wing” definition to include the Nazi regime. If that hadn’t happened and that regime had been defined as a variety of “left wing” i.e. collectivist then those of us who believe in the absolute bare minimum of collectivism necessary for the enjoyment of liberty could comfortably declare ourselves to be “right wing”. One approach is to ask anyone who uses those terms to explain what they mean and then set out your position and ask them to say what part of the spectrum you are on. If they are being honest and open they might see the problem and learn something. I see the fundamental divide being between collectivists and individualists. Collectivists would be on the left and individualists on the right. The picture gets blurred a bit by the separate social and economic aspects – people on the political… Read more »

stewart
11 months ago

The left have succeeded in planting a big giant turd where freedom from collectivism would otherwise sit, the turd being the entire Nazi legacy.

Ooh, don’t want to go too far to the right… that’s where the Nazis are….

What a great way to make sure collectivism can’t ever be properly challenged.

Purpleone
11 months ago

It’s a bit like the term nationalist – years ago that would have been seen as the patriotic, default positive position to hold, whereas now it’s been associated so much with ‘the far right’ to be seen as distasteful

transmissionofflame
11 months ago
Reply to  Purpleone

Excellent point

stewart
11 months ago
Reply to  Purpleone

Everything the socialists and so called progressives don’t like they brand as “right wing” and then remind everyone (falsely) that the Nazis were extreme right.

So, you know, too much of that and you’re a Nazi.

What a great strategy. You have to hand it to them.

transmissionofflame
11 months ago
Reply to  stewart

Key question to ask people: under what circumstances is it acceptable for the many to threaten the few with violence when the few do not comply with what the many think they ought – such as robbery, or not paying their taxes.

Jon Garvey
11 months ago
Reply to  stewart

Maybe the idea of a spectrum in politics is as illusory as the one claimed for sexuality. Maybe one should instead view things as dipoles, in this case: those supporting small government, those supporting ubiquitous government.

Purpleone
11 months ago
Reply to  stewart

Outside? 😉

I feel exactly the same way

EppingBlogger
11 months ago
Reply to  stewart

The confusion arises from trying to describe political values on a single axis. Then to conclude that Stalin and Hitler were at opposite ends is bizarre: they were both socialists, both anti-semites, both vicious authoritarians and both economically and financially illiterate.

stewart
11 months ago
Reply to  EppingBlogger

My point exactly. Except of course that this is reality now. Take a poll of what people think extreme right and the overwhelming majority will tell you Nazis, neo-Nazis etc.

And socialists will put everything on that specturm because it suits them very well.

soundofreason
soundofreason
11 months ago
Reply to  stewart

Somewhere on here?

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transmissionofflame
11 months ago
Reply to  soundofreason

Isn’t this diagram basically saying that the left right spectrum is useless?

Lockdown Sceptic
11 months ago

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huxleypiggles
11 months ago

https://www.restorationbulletin.com/p/a-revolt-is-brewing-in-britain-with

“In Runcorn and Helsby, Labour held the seat by just six votes.”

An appalling mistake at the very beginning of this article which suggests the article was written before the results were announced and the writer didn’t bother to check. Neither did DS Editorial.

Hardliner
11 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Thanks for pointing that out, will investigate

Art Simtotic
11 months ago

Miliband sacks Dame Mary Archer from Net Zero adviser role

PhD physical chemist and former Cambridge lecturer educated in the Laws of Thermodynamics sacked by Kommissar for Energy Insecurity educated in the Laws of Wishful Thinking.

Myra
11 months ago
Reply to  Art Simtotic

Although one has to wonder what she has been advising…

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Art Simtotic

But the scientists say …….. presumably Mary didn’t say the authorised thing.

Art Simtotic
11 months ago

And even more sinister…

Ed Miliband’s team of climate extremists is leading us to disaster

…State-sponsored treason by The Enemy Within running the Kommissar’s Department of Energy Insecurity.

The Kommissar Must Fall.

Mogwai
11 months ago

Interesting post which touches on the psychology of why women support the trans ideology, or at least in this person’s opinion. It goes some way to explaining the behaviour of many women generally, though, and I’d say it applies also to this site. Where are all the women on here who are unafraid to challenge, contradict, express their ‘unpopular’ opinions or get stuck in to a debate? Well, they’re all silently sticking to the confines of the DS echo chamber, unwilling to rock the boat and being agreeable. Which does rather explain why I’ve always been the anomaly in that regard; ”To understand why so many women are not just on board with gendershite but are actively and enthusiastically promoting it, I think we have to look beyond the subject itself (gendershite) and focus on how women reacted to and fitted into mass movements/cults throughout history. We keep telling them all the ways they are damaging their own rights and the rights of other women by mainstreaming what is essentially a male exhibitionist paraphilia. Yet still they plough ahead. It’s clear by now that beating them over the head with all the outrageous consequences of this devastatingly misogynistic movement —… Read more »

Mogwai
11 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Top comment. The ”be kind” is mere rhetoric though, when women are supportive of child mutilation, grooming and all-round abuse of kids/vulnerable young people. So much for the stereotypical ”nurturers”;

”You might want to recognize how female socialization works under every single patriarchy, and then look at how it works under this one. It’s the same. The ‘being kind’ becomes women’s currency. It is how we prove we are ‘good girls’, ‘good women’. It’s a virtue signal.

Women are groomed to do this — to look after whomever society deems vulnerable and to put women’s needs last, and to police everyone else to do the same.
Little girls are indoctrinated from when we are tiny to ‘care’, to ‘be kind’, to not put ourselves first, to not take up too much space for ourselves, to care for others first, and to ensure everyone else is ‘kind’.
We are told for whom we must care — men mostly, and anyone society says is ‘vulnerable’ (re: men: we must care for and about men even to the point of constantly seeing ourselves through the male gaze and trying to fashion ourselves accordingly).”

https://x.com/Women___Exist/status/1918710604703097025

Mogwai
11 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Marycate nails it. Yet the amount of women that enable this degeneracy is obscene;

”There is literally no better explanation for why grown men claim to be women than this.”

https://x.com/salltweets/status/1918846470872027603

Mogwai
11 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

I just can’t seem to stop offending people, can I?😃 I think I’ve found my super power.🦹‍♀️ ….But don’t speak up and ever use words, whatever you do.🤫 Just remember the mark of the coward and to always use these guys as a communication substitute > 👎👎👎😉

godknowsimgood
godknowsimgood
11 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

If someone disagrees with your opinion, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they are offended by it, nor that they wish you any ill-will.

Mogwai
11 months ago
Reply to  godknowsimgood

Oh it does where I’m concerned, the amount of haters I’ve accumulated over the years. But you know what they say: “Haters are your most loyal fans”, and unless they show a bit of backbone and post actual words explaining why they disagree, ( you know, like grown ups? ) then “offended” they shall remain, until proven otherwise.

GroundhogDayAgain
11 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

I’m not sure what you mean. I see no haters on this thread. No downticks, no snark…?

Mogwai
11 months ago

Do you need your eyes tested? And I’m referring to haters in general. I have a knack for collecting them over the years. It seems people on here can’t handle an opinionated woman with zero filter so they get triggered. They’re none too pleased if you’re not the submissive, handmaiden type. The passive people-pleaser, too cowardly to say “boo” to a goose.
After all, most men seem to think I’m a “misandrist”, though not one has been able to supply any sort of supporting evidence. Easier just to hurl insults and allegations from behind the safety of their devices, emboldened by a cloak of anonymity, right? 🙄

GroundhogDayAgain
11 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Perhaps I do need my eyes tested. I’ve seen you have spats with various commenters here on DS, but I see none in this thread.

I actually think you made some good points and I don’t think I earned your rudeness.

But since you mentioned it, perhaps you could stop referring to your victimhood at every opportunity, and maybe engage in good faith with those who ask an honest question. Just saying.

Myra
11 months ago

Comment on the speech of the Singaporean PM.
How can you keep religion out of politics? We have had parties of different religious denominations in lots of countries for a long time.

JohnK
11 months ago

“you do not rewarded for growing food…..”, by Harry, about half way into: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs2QbOyRc2Q Look what’s good for Net Zero – allegedly.