AfD Classified as Extreme-Right by German Intelligence, Paving Way for Ban
Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) has been designated as Right-wing extremist by Germany’s Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, enabling surveillance of the party to be ramped up and paving the way for it to be banned. BBC News has more.
“The ethnicity- and ancestry-based understanding of the people prevailing within the party is incompatible with the free democratic order,” the domestic intelligence agency said in a statement.
The AfD came second in federal elections in February, winning a record 152 seats in the 630-seat parliament with 20.8% of the vote.
The Parliament, or Bundestag, will hold a vote next week to confirm conservative leader Friedrich Merz as Chancellor, heading a coalition with the centre-Left Social Democrats.
The far-Right AfD had already been placed under observation for suspected extremism in Germany, and the intelligence agency had also classed it as Right-wing extremist in three states in the east, where its popularity is highest.
The agency, or Verfassungschutz, said specifically that the AfD did not consider citizens of a “migration background from predominantly Muslim countries” as equal members of the German people.
Outgoing Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said the agency had made a clear and unambiguous decision with “no political influence” after a comprehensive review and a report of 1,100 pages. …
Although its change in designation of the AfD is likely to be challenged in the courts, it would likely lower the threshold for the agency using informants and surveillance in monitoring the party.
Domestic intelligence cannot push for a ban on the party – that can only go through Parliament, Government or the Constitutional Court – but its latest decision could encourage others to start the process.
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Aha. Let me get this right:
Inviting 1.5 million migrants from war zones into your country, without any background checks, some of whom have a track record of committing terrorist atrocities – not extremism.
Daring to form a political party to oppose the above policies – extremism.
That’s the allegation. Is there any proof of that being the AfD’s official stance? Is there any due process before a party in Germany is branded far right? Is there a consistent, uncontroversial, widely accepted definition of far right?
Oh how my image of the free, liberal society I grew up thinking I lived in has come crashing down.
About a decade ago I started to develop the nagging suspicion that our ruling elites viewed China and it’s political and economic system with admiration and envy and if they had half the chance they’d replicate it with themselves in the position of the CCP.
Now I don’t have the suspicion. It’s just so bloody obvious.
The political stance of the AfD is the exact opposite of that¹ which is perfectly well-known to all people who were involved here.
¹ This means they have repeatedly stated that they consider all legal owner of a German passport as Germans.
Then the AfD is yet another fraudulent lot of Globalist Charlatans masquerading as “patriots”.
Well, “it’s complicated.” For background, you have to take into account that Germany was an idea hovering over a set of dynastic states until 1871. And to decide who belonged or didn’t belong to the citizens of a dynastic state was always the prerogative of the sovereign. For instance, Friedrich II. (Frederick the Great) invited French Huguenots into his country at a time when they were persecuted in and expelled from France. Since Friedrich II. was doubtlessly a great German monarch, who are we (mere Germans) to disagree with his decisions? Extended forward, the German state has granted citizenship to certain people. We (Germans) might think this was an ill-advised move and might have decided differently if we had been in charge. However, we weren’t. Since the German state made this promise, we are duty- and honour-bound to live up it unless given a very good reason not to. That’s a core part of what makes us German. The newcomers will assimilate in time. If they absolutely don’t want to be German, they’ll eventually move out again (perhaps with the help of a little positive incentive to do so). Just unlimited immigrations of aliens who don’t even want to be… Read more »
I don’t share your confidence regarding assimilation. Has that happened in the USA?
For people who have been there for a while, I think the answer is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUw_EvWVb8s
NB: While he sings “I love my Barbecue, that’s what the German do”, this line is – obviously – not in the printed lyrics.
But the USA as cultureless (descriptive and not judgemental) country composed of 100% immigrants from all over Europe and later on, all over the globe, is an extraordinary and not the regular case. I also don’t know enough about it to judge this and sensational stuff is more like to reach us than normal stuff.
Perhaps the US is not the best example. I would argue that Europeans have assimilated there better than other groups.
I think once an alien group reaches a critical mass, and is of a very different culture and religion, assimilation is not inevitable.
I find this subject incredibly depressing.
… or the Lebanon?
I’m afraid I know nothing about that place in this regard.
That’s interesting about the Huguenot Protestant refugees in Germany, who were also accepted as refugees in England from horrific persecution by Catholics in France. Our Ethnic European (white) cousins the Huguenot Protestants brought wonderful things to England, including their work-ethic, such as hop-growing and oast houses in Kent, weaving and glass-making and other skills to other parts of the country.
Unlike Third World Ethnics who criminally invade these islands every day, to live a life of sloth and luxury, freely indulging in drugs and rape, all paid for by British Taxpayers. They have brought NOTHING good to the West. That is my own personal view.
In view of the spate of violent attacks carried out by “the newcomers” saying that “the newcomers will assimilate in time” is the most complacent expression I’ve heard in a very long time.
How long? And how many dead, attacked, raped will there be whilst “the newcomers” slowly learn some civilised, western standards of behaviour. If they ever do which – on the basis of experience here and in France – many won’t.
We haven’t yet reached the point where every failed asylum applicant who’s allowed to stay nevertheless automatically gets a German passport, although the Greens are obviously pushing for that and getting rid of everyone who doesn’t even have a legal right to be in Germany but is allowed to stay neverthless by Red/Green authorities would already go a long way towards addressing this problem.
People who have become German citizens are German citiziens. Period. They are to be treated no worse than other German citizens. That was the point of being duty- and honourbound (seems to have escaped you while making your lazy assumption about what I must have meant instead) to make good on our promises and on promises our country made to other people.
Ask Reiner Fuellmich about due process.
You are correct.
The majority of mainstream politicians look at China with envy.
Oh, if only we could treat our population the same way!
If only we could have total control over them!
The Covid crisis revealed the latent totalitarian desires of the political elite and often the more “liberal and progressive” views a politician professed, the more totalitarian desires he or she harbored.
Textbook example: Dearest Be Kind Jacinda.
!00%. Covid showed how eager they were to replicate Chinese totalitarian technocratic efficiency.
But the Chinese fiercely defend their Ethnic Oriental identity as Ethnic Chinese, specifically the Han majority.
You’ll never see them accepting a Nigerian woman as Leader of China.
The only thing the CCP defends fiercely is the CCP and its iron grip on power. They don’t promote Han culture per se, or link it to any ruling authority. They don’t need to of course because Han are the overwhelming majority
They don’t need to, because the Chinese are absolutely UNITED and strong in celebrating their own ethnic identity as Ethnic Orientals of the Chinese Tribe, just like the Koreans, the Thais, and the Japanese are absolutely UNITED and strong in celebrating their own ethnic identity as Ethnic Orientals of the Korean, Thai or Japanese Tribe, respectively.
The Japanese People would never accept a Pakistani Muslim or Nigerian Catholic as Leader of Japan.
They are entirely right in this, unlike some enfeebled nations of the West.
This is not quite true. Speakers of Mandarin and Cantonese look down on each other as better barbarians speaking some kind of primitive pseudo-language not “fit and proper” for real people.
That can be said of every nation!
Don’t Bavarians scoff at Prussians in Germany?
Don’t Brits with posh accents sneer at working class accents?
Don’t Northern Americans laugh at Southern drawls?
It’s the same the world over, and completely natural.
It doesn’t mean they hate each other.
Aside: Prussia has been officially abolished by foreign invaders about 80 years ago.
Apart from that: I know both from first-hand experience and wouldn’t have brought this up if I wasn’t convinced that there was a grave a difference. China is a hodge-podge of different peoples who all have been subjugated by the military force of the central government for centuries (probably rather millenia) and Chinese ‘communism’ is really just the completely traditional rule of the completely traditional administrative class which rid itself of the fig-leaf emperor in the last century.
There is no “Chinese Tribe”. The government brutally suppress the Uyghur and the Tibetans and anyone else who dares raise any ethnic based political challenge to the CCP.
There is no tolerance of any expression of ethnicity in China beyond the superficial and decorative. Food, clothing, music, anything that can be packaged and sold as a consumer product. But zero politics.
You’re speaking of political things rather than ethnicity.
The Uyghur are just a smaller tribe of Ethnic Orientals who happen to live within China’s borders and cause the same endless trouble that Muslims cause everyone, everywhere, which results in not “Islamo-phobia”, but “Islamo-nausea”, because the whole world is sick of Islam. The blasted Muslim Bangladeshi Rohingya invaders cause the same trouble in Burma. And the wretched Indian Tamil Invaders caused the same trouble in Sri Lanka.
The Uyghurs want independence from China just as the Canadians of the Western Plains want independence from the Parasitic Weedy Wet Liberals of the East. But the Canadians are all still the same tribe of Ethnic Europeans.
The Tibetan Buddhists, so romanticised by Western Hippies, have been crushed for centuries under their own brutal monk system, forced to worship the Giant Moon Spider Kali-Allah, and sacrifice their children at 3 years old, not to death, but to the monk system. The wealthy parents just pay a fee, but the poor must give one of their children to the Buddhist monks and nuns at the age of three, to be forcibly raised as monks and nuns in that terrible, bleak land.
But China would likewise “not consider citizens of a “migration background from predominantly Muslim countries” as equal members of the CHINESE PEOPLE.”
So it’s not a Chinese thing at all. It’s an EAST GERMAN STASI thing, bent on the complete destruction of the Ethnic German People of Germany.
I can think of nothing more dangerous than legally polarising the German people – again.
Worth knowing here: Until the first Red/Green government under Gerhard Schröder, people were legally considered Germans if they had German ancestors for the common case, the so-called ius sanguinies (Latin for “law of the blood”). To this date, the German Fundamental Law contains the corresponding article which always had a clause that federal laws can extend this definition. In practice, this was never done until about the turn of the millenium. The indictment of the BfS basically means that they consider the claim that German people exist as ethnic group to be right-wing extremist and incompatible with the “free and democratic basic order”. Yet, until the first hard-left German government, this was exactly how German law defined German. This definition has (see above) meanwhile been extended by federal laws multiple times. And apparently, people must not be of the opinion that these federal laws were ill-advised and ought to be revised or abolished. That’s ‘democracy’ in so-called Germany for you. As a bonus, the people behind this don’t even believe in this themselves. They’ve invented the term Deutschtürken – German-Turks – solely to refer to people of Turkish ethnicity who have a German passport. But assuming that a German ethnicity… Read more »
It’s worth stopping to reflect on the perversion and sheer evil of this. They are in effect trying to limit the definition of “German” to an official bureaucratic definition of nationality, based on arbitrary, technocratic citizenship rules not an ethnic or cultural group. That’s fine, if all we are talking about is using specific labels for specific things. But then at the same time they seem to be demonising the idea of a ethnic or cultural German identity. As if wanting to manifest it or express it in any political form is tantamount to bringing Hitler back from the dead. And if that weren’t enough, that demonisation applies only to German ethnic and cultural identity. Muslim? Fine. Turkish? Fine. Afghan? Fine. Black? Fine? Asian? No prob. White. Hmmm, not sure about that. Ok white, but white’s pretty bad, you sure you want to go with white? German? Ooh, steady on that’s Hitler right there. That’s nazism. You can have your ethnic and cultural identity, if you really must, but you can’t give it a name and you can’t express it in any way. You know where they have this attitude? in China. If you look at all their official proclamations,… Read more »
But the Chinese government does protect the Ethnic Oriental Identity of the Chinese people, particularly the Han majority, while extending tolerance to minority Ethnic Oriental groups. Not to Muslims in any way, shape or form. And not to Ethnic Africans. Nor should they.
Chinese People are rightly proud of their Ethnic Identity, as should all peoples be.
They would never be so feeble and pathetic as to accept an Ethnic African as Leader of China.
True, but the idea is the same.
The difference is that the Han have overwhelming superiority in numbers.
Here in the west, our technocratic overlords have concluded that a white majority rule is a losing game in a world where whites overall are shrinking minority and so are hoping to harness a multi ethnic population to continue to rule the world with.
Well, your final phrase is correct, that the Globalists want to “harness a multi-ethnic population to continue to rule the world with”.
But first they have to get rid of the only thing standing in the way of their total enslavement of mankind: The White Man.
It is they who have DELIBERATELY, relentless striven to turn whites into a shrinking and ultimately exterminated minority. It’s not just something that has happened naturally. It is active, murderous, anti-white Stealth Genocide, and the Third World Ethnics are complicit.
Everyone knows about it except The White Man, who still bumbles along trustingly, protecting and defending those who would destroy him.
Look, we’re broadly in agreement, but that’s a bit too far. Nobody has exterminated or “shrunk” the white population.
The white population shrunk itself proportionally by consistently under reproducing itself compared to other groups for the last 100 years .
It was a large, powerful minority 100 years ago. Now it’s a smaller, less power minority.
If you want to rule the world, you’re not going to do it with white people, those days are over. But nobody did anything to white people. It pretty much happened by itself.
NO, NO, NO! Wake up, Stewart!
The Third World Ethnics have been TRICKED & DECEIVED by the Globalists into hating the white man. The Globalists are just USING THE THIRD WORLD ETHNICS to help them destroy the ONLY THING STANDING IN THE WAY of the Globalist plan to ENSLAVE HUMANITY. First they need to get rid of the World’s Smallest Ethnic Group, which has actually been PROTECTING the Third World from enslavement by the Globalists.
I repeat the truth that no one wants to hear:
It’s not just something that has happened naturally. It is active, murderous, Anti-White Stealth Genocide, including Medical Genocide, and the Third World Ethnics are complicit.
Everyone knows about it except The White Man, who still bumbles along trustingly, protecting and defending those who would destroy him.
To paraphrase David Icke,
“White Man, Get Off Your Knees!”
People who line up to receive an experimental injection so that they can go on holiday, who don’t have children because it’s too much hard work or would imply living with fewer luxuries, who impoverish themselves in pursuit of some ridiculous planet saving mission, they only have themselves to blame for their own destruction, be they white, black or yellow.
I have about as much respect for the “poor me, I’m a white person being genocided” argument as I do for an African American who blames his problems on the legacy of slavery.
Making pathetic self victimising excuses is what puts you on your knees in the first place.
Discouraging the Church, Education, Families where children live with their parents, traditional marriage, general Etiquette and Morality contributes to the malaise, then throw in uncontrolled welfare, and encouraging poor lifestyles, fixed by pharmaceuticals, and the result is job done, with many not even noticing the strategy.
All of them are things that we are doing to ourselves, all of them are features of contemporary western society, not things that someone else doing to us.
None so blind as those who will not see.
Worth knowing^2: The BfS statement is certainly nowhere in the German Fundamental Law. This means it’s an intepretation of that and an interpretation the present home secretary has used in the past (who claimed that she absolutely certain wasn’t involved with the BfS process — such as by dictating and outcome and let the inland secret service go onto a fishing expedition for stuff which could be helpful to substantiate that — before anyone accused here of that). But neither the BfS nor the German Home Secretary have any authority to issue binding interpretations the Fundamental Law. That’s exclusively the prerogative of the German constitutional court.
That’s presumably why the German chancellor has already warned that shooting from the hip wrt an AfD ban is not called for right now.
Thank heavens a similar thing could never happen in the UK. Well, hardly never.
There’s no inland secret service tasked with protecting the state and/ or the established order from ideologically unreliable elements of the native population. At least not officially.
Ah, but unofficially, in some settings, notably education, medicine, social services and probably the police, if you are even suspected of ideological unreliability you may find yourself facing “professional misconduct hearings” based on fabricated or distorted evidence and statements from bribed, terrified or mentally disturbed anonymous informants. It’s very difficult to challenge the established order when you are unexpectedly a native white male living in a cardboard box in the doorway of an unoccupied High Street shop.
That’s not the same. The BfV is a secret service whose sole purpose is to spy on the German population to uncover whatever the government du jour might deem a threat to it.
MI5 is probably the closest we have.
MI5 isn’t remotely close to that. The basic assumption underlying the German state (or rather, the pseudo-state existing on formerly German territory) is that the population is hostile and the most serious of all potentialy threats unless held at bay by force, exactly as set up by the so-called Allied powers in the second half of the 1940s. That’s still the authority Faeser’s “fight against the right” (literal translation of Kampf gegen Rechts) ultimately recurs to. She’s a representative of a foreign invasion and occupation force tasked with ensuring that all remains quiet in Germany. Forever.
77th Brigade, maybe?
Good, vote AFD!
Democracy in the once proud country of Germany is over, this will only serve to make real Germans more resolute
Ignore the people at your peril!
“The ethnicity- and ancestry-based understanding of the people prevailing within the party is incompatible with the free democratic order,” the domestic intelligence agency said in a statement…
…Pure Theatre of the Absurd orchestrated by Europe’s leading governing coalition for importation of criminally dubious ethnicities and ancestries. Now also Europe-leading in orchestration of surveilling the opposition with a view to banning.
Straight out of the Stasi playbook – from the side of the Berlin Wall that supposedly won all those decades ago. Not for nothing was Mutti educated at Karl Marx University Leipzig.
West German born Mutti, that is.
Born in West, at early age family migrated East.
And had 2 cars and other privileges…
A bit like deciding to take your family to live in North Korea.
“Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent revolution inevitable.” JFK.
The German governing class has learned nothing. Just like the French.
German and intelligence are two words that should never be in the same sentence
But Hitler was was NOT right-wing but left wing. He said he was a socialist often.
And Nazi is the abbreviation for “National Socialist German Workers Party.”
Talk about having things backward!
See one quote of his at: https://www.discouragecriminals.net/nazi/