Gender Pay Gap Goes Into Reverse Amid “Crisis of Masculinity”
Young women now out-earn men by £2,200 on average, as a “crisis” among boys and teenagers flips the gender pay gap on its head. The Telegraph has more.
The average 16 to 24-year old woman in full-time work earned £26,500 per year in 2022-23, nearly a tenth more than men of the same age who earned £24,300, according to the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ).
This was a stark contrast to just two years earlier, when the average young man earned £1,000 per year more than women.
The CSJ said the shift was the result of a “crisis” for boys and young men that is seeing them fall behind at every stage in Britain, from early education to the workforce. …
The earnings balance tipped in favour of women for the first time in nearly a decade in 2021-22. Since then, male wages have stagnated, while female salaries have climbed, meaning women now earn 9% more than men.
The dramatic switch is emblematic of a wider crisis facing British men, the CSJ said. Its report said: “Whilst the last hundred years have been marked by great leaps forward in outcomes and rights for women, in this generation it is boys who are being left behind. And by some margin.” …
The number of 16 to 24-year-old men who are not in education, employment or training (Neet) has surged by 40% since Covid. The equivalent increase for women of the same age was just 7%. …
At age five, 74% of girls met early learning development goals last year. Among boys, the share was just 60%.
By A-level, girls outperform boys by more than a grade and a half across their top three subjects, while boys are twice as likely to be excluded from school. By university, female students outnumber men by three to two.
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It is all over the world and it is not a matter that can easily be resolved. I wouldn’t attempt to attribute it to politics because it is clearly much bigger than that. If you want to engage with this issue then you should do so cith wircumspection and humility and hopefully erudition because it concerns shifts of energy that we have not even begun to understand.
I reckon it’s because they are paying women more because of the lie of the gender pay gap and it’s effects on organisations and companies.
It’s rigged.
Men make the world we inhabit actually work. Women could all stop work tomorrow and not much would happen. A few things would be inconvenient and we’d have to find men to replace them (or machines) but if men stopped work, that would bring us down in days.
“Men make the world we inhabit actually work. Women could all stop work tomorrow and not much would happen.”
Sorry but I can’t let that go without comment. Women make up a very significant % of the workforce. Quite obviously there would be chaos if they all stopped working. You can argue about the relative weight of the contributions of each of the sexes, now and historically, and say they are uneven and most people would probably agree with you, but I really don’t see the point other than to simply wind up people who are on our side. I doubt anyone who posts here believes that reporting on the “gender pay gap” is worthwhile, because I doubt people here are much for “identity politics” but instead prefer to treat others as individuals.
Bloody hell, tof. You can pull it out the bag when you feel like it! Going against the grain and the general ‘Daily Sexist’ consensus we routinely see here, aren’t you?😁 Kudos, because you’re the only bloody one, evidently! I guess every other man who chooses not to challenge this sort of post on here secretly hates his wife, and the amount of men who have daughters and continue to demonstrate their silent agreement by saying f*ck all should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. Because what a terrible father one must be to agree with this sort of mentality towards females.
And as for all the women ( all 3 of them!😐 ), you all should be ashamed for demonstrating such a level of cowardice, disloyalty and apathy. Because I wonder how many ‘likes’ I’d get if I posted the same comment as Grim Face and his ilk regularly do but substitute “men” for “women”…🤔 Yeah, exactly.🤨
Sexism is acceptable, as long as it’s the right kind of sexism. Ain’t that right?🤷♀️ So thanks for breaking ranks, finally. You never know, you might influence a few more to grow a pair.😃🍒👍
You know what the funny thing is? Had I written that post of yours I’d have gotten a deluge of dislikes. I can 100% guarantee it. But because you’re a guy they leave you alone. Wow, ”haters gonna hate” really does sum it up, doesn’t it? No wonder the writing’s on the wall with such a hostile environment, people reverting to type en masse. And this being a supposed ”free speech” platform. ”Defend the blatant misogynist in the room at all costs because he speaks for us all!”
But at least I can say I was never shy about stepping out of the ‘safe zone’ that is the DS echo chamber, and people can take me as they find me, misconstrue my posts all they like, zero f*cks were given.
I don’t expect a response, don’t worry. Well, why would I really, when a little thumb will apparently suffice?
It’s hard to say what most DS readers think as so few people comment or even vote, since the £5 rule was introduced (not saying that the rule is wrong, just sadly few people seem moved to pay it or express an opinion).
Well I think there’s sufficient people responding either with comments or ( as is most often the case ) with the ‘votes’. I’d say the little thumbs have spoken, wouldn’t you? At least enough to glean a general opinion from people, and I know how I’d interpret that, anyway. The Misogynist Society are well represented here on DS, is the conclusion I’d come to. Go against popular opinion/general consensus/protected male posters, and that’s it, pack mentality ensues…lol. And one obviously cannot even rely on the support of one’s own sex, that’s the kicker. 😮 Sums it up, pretty much.
So the women-haters continue to have free rein to express their hostile views and woe betide any woman who dares to challenge them, but if I did similar ( not that I ever would because I’m not a sexist person ) I can expect a massive pile-on. What a depressing state of affairs.
There are certain professions in which women are in the majority. Look a nursing and primary school teaching, to take just two examples. We could certainly look at the reasons why there is such a gender disparity in these areas, but to suggest that women “could stop work tomorrow and not much would happen” is entering the realms of pure fantasy.
It isn’t just a pay gap it can be seen in university matriculation and success as well and all over the world even in Islamic countries women are doing better. It is a matter of drive and a matter of understanding what your drive should be. Should it be the case that male drive manifests in a competitive relationship with females. What would that even signify? We are moving into a much more fluid reality. More like water and so men are naturally reticent. There is nothing wrong with this reticence. As a man you should never feel any threat from the female if you keep yourself sharp. It shouldn’t be an issue.
I wonder how long it will be before the Main Stream Media decry this terrible gender pay gap? It will be interesting to see how it will be trivialised and explained away.
A terrible thing the state of working class men in England. If you can’t see it then you’re still living inder the fog canopy of the propaganda. Really bad. These are some of the most talented people in the world. People call them chavs. My impression when visiting America is that if I had a legion of chavs we would conquer the bloody world. The average chav would be a billionaire in America within a very short space of time.
Yes you can just spit it out, you know. The fact boys are performing worse than girls in school is women’s fault. The fact that there’s more young women in education/employment than their male counterparts is also women’s fault. Basically, everything wrong is women’s fault, we contribute nothing towards the economy or society and are the cause of all the ills known to man. Anything and everything we do in our day to day lives is basically meaningless because we are inconsequential beings. Isn’t that the general consensus on here, after all? It certainly is from where I’m standing.
Jabby did not make the characterizations you are making, although if you were to replace the word ‘women’ with ‘men’ in your response that would be much closer to the kind of sentiment that is generally expressed. What are your thought’s on the often repeated ‘pale, male and stale’, which happens to be me? My son is pale and male. The RAF famously didn’t want to enlist ‘stupid white men’, and so it goes on. If there is growing animosity towards women it is because of this, and perhaps that is the intent? The problem is we got rid of apprenticeships and replaced these with schooling and qualifications. Almost the entire Industrial revolution was created by largely ‘uneducated’ men,if we consider someone without O-Levels or similar as uneducated. This change broke a method of imparting practical knowledge that is the most natural but also one that stretches back into all of history. Girls/women are largely better academically and academic thinking is now considered superior to practical knowledge and experience, while men are largely unacademic, or will use academic thinking to service practical thinking. The war between men and women has been artificially contrived and must stop because the success of… Read more »
But who is making this “kind of sentiment that is generally expressed”? Are you aware that the people creating policies and pushing agendas come in both sexes? Who is in charge of the RAF? Man or woman? Because I know the kind of sentiment that is generally expressed on this site, much of it by posters who remain shtum, those in silent agreement with the outspoken women-haters. There’s obviously a lot of restrained seething going on just under the surface. Also, I’ve never met a woman yet who has uttered the words “pale, male and stale”, so where did that originate, I wonder? I don’t appreciate women constantly being painted as the architects of the downfall of society, that we should be scapegoated for all of society’s ills, when anyone with a pair of eyes can see there’s actually more men in positions of authority and leadership than women. On this site I get a general sense of bitterness, resentment and animosity from posters directed at women whenever articles such as this drop. Tell me, do you as a man feel a sense of resentment, animosity or bitterness directed at you from the female posters? When is the last time… Read more »
Maybe we should question why articles like this keep dropping on this site? At least on the Conservative Woman site, there is a balance of articles but here there does seem to be an unhealthy obsession with this subject. Frankly, there are bigger fish frying which are hardly covered like digital IDs and CBDCs.
I’ve noticed they post a lot of articles on all things woke and frankly, it’s a snoozfest. Seriously, what more is there to say on some of these subjects?😴 Like you say, there are certain topics of greater relevance and interest that seldom see the light of day on DS. It’s up to us, the account holders, to make up the shortfall, I guess.
Anyway, I’m thinking they should change the name because the ‘DS’ would be much better suited to ‘Disgruntled Sexists’, I find..🤫🤭
I did have a laugh at that (although I suspect the usual suspects won’t find it funny).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO_oNQ9wg4o
Letitia James and Supporters Chant The ene… Administration is “Too Male, Too Pale and Too Stale!!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqoC-1ObmYY
May is to axe pale, male and stale ministers in reshuffle
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/thor-4-natalie-portman-avengers-endgame-box-office-diversity-inclusion-a9017656.html
Now that we’ve got a female Thor, let’s topple every pale, male and stale superhero character we can
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5ZWfl99WBg
Should there be a ban all-male party leaderships? Harriet Harman thinks so – BBC Newsnight
You’ve had to go back 7 and 9 years to find these examples? I could go back 1 or 2 weeks and find you double that number in examples of misogyny by men posted on this site. But as it stands I need to hit the hay. There is no justification for “growing animosity towards women”, none. And what you put forth is a feeble excuse for such a hostile attitude in an attempt to paint us as the cause of all your problems. What you fail to do is scratch the surface and find where it all stems from. Much more convenient to just point the finger at the opposite sex. It is a fact that misogynists harbour a grievance mentality, therefore women are damned if we do, damned if we don’t. We can’t win.🤷♀️
My questions above all still stand.
I upvoted Mogwai’s comment, yet it states 0 upvotes, despite it being highlighted in green (on two of my devices) meaning that I have voted for it, and when I try to upvote it again, a message states, “You’ve already voted for this comment”!
However, despite my invisible upvote, I don’t agree that the male superiority attitude is “the general consensus on here”, as I’ve mentioned before. I see it in Grim Ace’s comment, but not in Jabby’s comments.
And as I’ve stated before, I say “the general consensus” because it’s the silent agreement from others. It’s what they *don’t* say that speaks volumes, ironically. So I’ll exclude you from my above comment regarding cowardly, disloyal women, as you’ve at least taken the time and effort to post something. And I think these little thumbs have a mind of their own and are a bit of a mystery, therefore completely meaningless, really. But thanks for your input. I very much abide by the philosophy of “if you don’t condemn it you condone it”, and I see an awful lot of condoning on here and people letting posts go that I can 100% guarantee would not be ignored had I written them about men. Can you even imagine the reception I’d get??🤦♀️ Double standards, all the way down…
Maybe some people don’t comment because they can’t be arsed, regarding a particular story.
Just because someone doesn’t comment doesn’t make them cowardly – could be any number of reasons and they may not be on here as much as you and simply not seen the post.
Personally, I’m not a fan of the ‘if you don’t condemn it, you condone it’ blanket statement. If people don’t respond, let them. If people respond badly, let them.
Agreed and as I mentioned in my earlier post, I’m simply not here often and don’t read articles that either don’t interest me or are older than the day that I read the DS.
As I said also I tend to ignore some of the posters who witter on and I have no idea who is male or female I just take the post as is. I’ve only come back to this post as I commented on it earlier and there does seem to be a lot of to and fro.
Maybe if it was just the odd occasion that might be true but when it’s consistently the same names posting the same sexist, derogatory crap on the regular, and never a soul apart from me has the balls to challenge them, then I see a pattern of behaviour there. Plus, by turning a blind eye you’re enabling and empowering these men. Bearing in mind this is supposed to be a site which advocates for and promotes free speech, I think it’s a bit of a joke that haters get a free pass because nobody wants to pass comment for whatever reason. Once again, these things>👍👎are not a substitute for dialogue. If people are bothering to use those then they’ve evidently read the comment, haven’t they? And yet they’d rather decline to respond with words themselves. It has “cowardice” written all over it, in my opinion. We aren’t in a popularity contest, I thought this place was a platform to be used for discussion. Evidently many don’t see it that way.
That approach is very left in my opinion as well – ‘everybody must criticise this or you agree with it by default’ is one of the reasons we’ve ended up in this crazy position
Or right-minded people that have any sense of fairness could just call out the men who are chatting shit about women. I mean, there’s a radical notion…But the proof of how the land lies is all here in these posts, or the responses ( or lack thereof ) to said posts. The misogynists get all the support whilst I get the pile-on, et voila! There’s your ”general consensus”. As I say, all the proof you need…
I mean, why have dialogue when you’ve got two little thumbs to do the ‘talking’, right?
Agreed, Jabby’s comments are sometimes off the wall but don’t ever strike me as sexist.
True to form and 10/10 for predictability.😁 Thanks for providing me with yet more confirmation that misogynists are nothing more than weak men behaving like the cowards you all undoubtedly are.👍 Or should that be👎👎? 🤔
Maybe it’s time to get your testosterone levels checked. Just a thought…. 3, 2, 1 Go!!👎👎👎👎👎😆
Is this the part where the resident Misogynist Society make an appearance but nobody bothers to pipe up apart from me?🤷♀️
“Haters gonna hate”. 😴
How many have upvoted or commented in favour of the misogynist comments? According to your same logic, Mogwai, everyone who DIDN’T upvote or comment in favour of the misogynist comments must therefore disagree with and hate misogynists.
Not at all. It’s the apathy, the lack of engagement. Don’t you see? People who never say sh*t are demonstrating their silent agreement. And I think you’re putting too much importance on these thumbs. They’re essentially meaningless. It’s actual comments which are meaningful. Doesn’t everybody know by now that a load of 👎👎👎 with zero responses equates to cowardice. We all pay to comment but most choose not to, because a little thumb is supposed to be a substitute for actual words? Says it all.
Maybe I’m one of the apathetic lot but I actually don’t visit DS a lot. I’ll maybe browse the Round Up but ignore a lot, maybe add a comment, look at comments and maybe reply to something but generally I just skim. Also often when I come on here the comments I see are sometimes around 10 hours old and folks have moved on. There are a few commenters that I really don’t take much notice of, what they say doesn’t interest or bother me and their screeds are not something worth reading and there now appears to be a nasty little troll throwing ad hominems around that is best ignored. I wouldn’t give trolls the satisfaction of a response, they are best ignored after all they only want attention. Don’t attack the person refute the subject and generally they can’t, hence their pettyness. There are a few souls on here who generally add excellent articles not covered and provide valuable comments, I include yourself, Hux and TOF, in that group. Yes I’m a woman but there are things nowadays that really grind my gears. I don’t like women commenting on men’s sports and having to insert women into every… Read more »
Thanks Mrs B. I’ve been on here a long time now and I must be honest, I think I’ve ran out of steam finally. DS was a godsend during the scamdemic years and it’s certainly changed and evolved ( understandably so, from ‘Lockdown Sceptics’ ) but many of the articles I’m not interested in and some I just feel like a broken record. How many times can one pass comment on the same topic, be it migrants, Muslims, gender stuff etc? I end up boring myself and the motivation becomes depleted. Yes there’s also the ongoing and constant underlying ( and often overt ) hostility towards women by misogynist men and their silent supporters that goes unchallenged for the most part, unless it’s me doing the challenging ( which just gets tiresome and a bit disheartening, tbh ) and the lack of meaningful input/support from other women on here, and there’s my ‘merry’ band of loyal haters…so I think it’s time to part ways with DS as our relationship has naturally ran its course. I just don’t get much out of it anymore. Not sure when my next payment’s due but I think I’ll stop it there. But thanks for… Read more »
Agree absolutely with your first para and I also don’t visit as DS often as the LS days as then it was my sanity in insane times, now if I took it all to heart my blood pressure would be through the roof. When you get six plus links on Round Up on the same subject it’s not worth reading, hence I skim. Probably with my lesser engagement here I hadn’t noticed misogynistic comments or if I did I ignored them and the troll as they’re not worth responding to. If they are that way inclined nothing I say would change them it would only give them fuel to continue.
It would be sad to see you or anyone go who provides good links that DS doesn’t but I understand, don’t stress yourself with this.
But if it was true that not commenting about an opinion means agreeing with that opinion, then it would work both ways: everyone who doesn’t comment about your opinion (about women) agrees with your opinion.
No, because these>👍👍👍 are reflective up to a point, aren’t they? But all I get are ‘0’ or 👎👎👎, so there is that. For all they’re pointlessness they do go some way to demonstrate how much support somebody has. On here, the misogynists get all the support while I get the pile-on😆. Some things never change. Just confirms what I already know, though.. Speaking of support, I do find it interesting that yourself and DS99, both ladies, seem very comfortable directly addressing and being critical of me, all the while ignoring Mr Misogynist over there. Not that both of you are the only two to do so. Again, another observation I’ve made over time of the dynamics and behaviour of posters on here. From personal experience, misogynists seldom respond when challenged directly. It’s because they take the cowardly ‘dump and run’ approach and never seem too keen on engaging in debate. Anyone would think it’s because they have zero defense or justification for their hostile attitude towards half the planet’s population. 🤔 Plus, they know they’ve got the numbers so they get away with it, therefore they can enjoy hiding behind a cloak of anonymity to the max. Yes the… Read more »
Maybe people just can’t be arsed to have a long winded argument on a subject with no right answer? No offence, but you do always sound like you are spoiling for a fight… maybe you are, maybe you aren’t, but it certainly always sounds like that to me.
For what it’s worth, I have little to no idea who’s male or female on here, and 99% of the time it makes sod all difference in my opinion.
Like others have said I tend to dip in and out of DS, depending on work etc, and naturally some articles interest me more that others – energy and net zero bollox being the usual axe I like to grind…
Please stick around though, more the merrier and all that.
”…always sound like you’re spoiling for a fight”? So forthright women who are opinionated and don’t give a toss if those opinions are popular or not intimidate you? Crikey, never mind the men, maybe I should consider getting my own testosterone levels checked…haha
Not intimidated no, but I’m not always convinced it’s an effective way to get your valid points across.
Each to their own approach and opinion
though… it’s a free world (ish)
Well there’s nothing contrived on my part, this is me, like it or lump it. We’ve each got our own personalities and I guess some people’s personalities feature more in their posts than others. It’s really odd you say ..”it certainly always sounds like that to me”, because I’m often on here having a craic and a bit banter with other posters so I’m not entirely sure how I can always come across as aggressive or confrontational ( if those are the words you’d use ), to be honest. So I disagree with that assessment of me as there’s definitely some on here that I could describe as ”mono-emotional”, ( as well as confrontational/aggressive ) and that’s certainly not me. But like anyone, there’s topics I feel more strongly about than others, and some posters that I gel better with than others, who get on my wick. ”I got passion in my pants and I ain’t afraid to show it”, as a wise man once said.
I’d say I meant whenever anything linked to gender came up, vs your comments on other areas. Clearly something you are very passionate about, which is fair enough.
Luckily we are all different in our own ways,
otherwise it would be a boring world.
Like the quote!
Iti s hard to build the male energy up again espcially in these times. Give young men the right herbs, the right exercise, make life like an assault course built for maximum pain. This can help but it doesn’t address the diminution in energy. That comes down to personality. You can get these young lads excited again but not if you don’t even have the gumption to get yourself excited. If you lack the spunk then get out of the arena because you are just demoralising people who want to do better. If you open up their realm of the spirit then they can do anything.
What is this middle-class crisis the Telegraph speaks of to middle-class readers?
No obvious crisis of masculinity among the men who braved the February cold in order to to strip off our old failing roof and replace with new lining, flashing and tiles.
Arrived pronto 08:15 Hrs, tea break 10:00 Hrs, food 13:00 Hrs, departed 15:15 Hrs. Job done inside two and a half weeks. 2800 hefty concrete tiles lobbed up individually and caught by hand, 2800 old tiles lobbed down from the scaffolding into the back of the truck. Poetry of destruction and re-construction.
No gender pay gap – no women want that job. Ditto, refuse collection, clearing drains, electricity linesmen out in all weathers, etc, etc, etc.
Likewise, few men aspire to be care-home assistants, dietitians or beauticians.
Nothing to do with misogyny or misandry, just a salient fact of working life.
15:15 is the new end of day – wow…
Allowing for picking up materials from the yard and travelling time (we’re 45 minutes away), the roofers’ working day is 7 a.m. to 4 p.m. Working from home not an option.
Well now there’s going to be a splendid war and guess what only lads will be sent to fight, so that’ll fix the situation, oh no sorry I forgot that infantrymen are paid less than HR assistants
Drives to erradic a genda pay gap are based on discrimination to create equal outcomes . A policy of equality of opportunity (which by definition must be sex and colour blind etc) will naturally produce subsequent differences, such differences are not evidence of a lack of equality of opportunity, which is the current lie we are meant to believe.All so called positive discrimination which is discrimination, would need to be stopped for equality of opportunity to come back into play .
Off topic, sorry
Starmer and the EU want forever war! Ukraines sovereignty and borders are way more important THAN OURS!
If demon Starmer sends a single pair of UK boots to the ground in Ukraine, the red line is crossed and Putin will bomb Britain!
This fu@£ing accountant has no idea about the game he’s playing!
Starmer knows that the US is bailing from the lost Ukraine project, but like the rest of the Europeans, and UNLIKE the new American Administration, he is still under the control of the Davos/WEF elite, for whom Russia under President Putin is a huge obstacle to their goal of enslavement of the white race societies (see Covid lockdowns, vaccine passports, free-speech stomping…).
So he knowingly goes against the US position, EVEN AFTER the huge row with Zelensky over the whole euro “peacekeepers” issue, risking Britain’s own economic well-being should he provoke the Americans into sanctions against us.
He already said to a (grinning) Laura Kunesberg that he prefers Davos to Westminster, as there he is among “like-minded people”
Despicable.
Clever/sir/madam 👏 my thoughts exactly
As I see it(as you do) the only obstacle to owning the world is those pesky BRICKS?
Is there a private messenging area on the sceptic? Sorry if I appear ignorant, but I am!🤣
There was a DM facility via the forum section but that seems to have been dropped, probably because nobody used it. Might be worth emailing the team in case there is something I am missing.
Inch beach (3 miles long) love life👍
Where is that? Looks fantastic.
Yes you’ll “always have women’s backs”, right? Course you will, Dinger, course you will.🙄
Glorious. Wish I were there.
Will firms that have a pay gap positively in favour of women now be under pressure to address the gap in favour of men?
Perhaps it’s because the nature of work has changed significantly over the past three or so decades, particularly the last ten years.
The Government’s Net Zero policy has, and is, systematically destroying what were traditionally well-paid “male” manufacturing jobs.
The higher-paid jobs growth has come in sectors which females tend to find attractive: Psychology, HR, the Law etc.