Nurse Can Refer to Transgender Doctor as a Man in Legal Victory
A nurse can refer to a transgender doctor she claims she was forced to get changed in front of at work as a man in a legal victory. The Telegraph has more.
Employment judge Sandy Kemp rejected an NHS request to impose an order on Sandie Peggie, which would have prevented her from using male pronouns or terms to refer to Beth Upton, a doctor who identifies as a transgender woman.
Despite NHS Fife insisting that both the “sex and gender” of Dr Upton is female and that allowing “misgendering” would amount to unlawful harassment, the judge said forcing Ms Peggie and her lawyers to use terms they consider “inaccurate” would be unfair.
Ms Peggie believes that Dr Upton is male and therefore should not have been in female changing rooms in Victoria Hospital, Kirkcaldy, where she says she encountered him on three occasions.
She is taking action against both NHS Fife and Dr Upton personally in a case which could have wider implications for how easily trans women can access female single-sex spaces.
Mr Kemp also said the tribunal itself should use “neutral” terms for Dr Upton as “standard practice”, following claims that panel members referring to the medic as a female could imply bias.
However, the direction is not binding and pronouns may be used where “considered appropriate”. …
Mr Kemp acknowledged that “misgendering” of Dr Upton is likely to prove “painful and distressing” but said he was not convinced by claims that, in the context of an employment tribunal, it would in itself amount to unlawful harassment.
However, he said the bar for harassment could be met if male pronouns are used “gratuitously and offensively on a repeated basis”.
He said Ms Peggie and her representatives “may wish to reflect” on whether it was “necessary or appropriate” to use male terms to refer to Dr Upton, even though they are not banned from doing so.
Worth reading in full.
Just a small victory at this point then, as it only applies within the tribunal proceedings, and then only when not used “gratuitously”. But a victory nonetheless.
Clearly what’s needed is a law that makes clear that biologically accurate pronouns and terminology may never be understood as in themselves constituting harassment. It may be polite to use the form of address one is asked to use, but it should never be compelled. Truth-speakers must always be free to dissent.
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The demand to refer to a biological male as “she” has nothing to do with harassment or respect or human rights.
It is simply a method to destroy people’s sense of freedom by forcing them to repeat a lie. It is a method of enslavement.
George Orwell, 1984
Once you submit to these demands, you have given up your autonomy. After a while they can do with you whatever you like.
Or to quote the great Theodore Dalrymple:
“When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control”
Not that long ago referring to a man as “she” was an insult and in some cases was rewarded by a smack in the gob.
In response to Will’s last paragraph:
It is not polite to ask someone to use a form of address if it causes them to lie so when they tell the truth it should not be regarded as dissent. The person expecting someone else to lie is in the wrong not the truth teller.
When addressing someone, it is usual to use the second person singular (or plural if a group) which is “you”.
I can’t think of an occasion to use the third person singular – he/she/it to address someone, but it is used to refer to someone or something.
If in doubt when confronted by someone of indeterminate sex, referring to them as “it” covers all angles.
Nurse Can Refer to Male Doctor as a Man in Legal Victory
Yep, put like that tof it certainly raises eyebrows.
Mad world!
I do think some are more convincing than others though. The Thai ‘lady boys’ being the most convincing as females of all, in my opinion.
What I will say though is that these two are not convincing me they’re politicians one iota🧐
https://x.com/ThePosieParker/status/1883949581114937740
😀😀😀
“Just a small victory at this point then, as it only applies within the tribunal proceedings, and then only when not used “gratuitously”.”
What the hell is this supposed to mean?
Proper pronouns can be used in a courtroom but outside the old nonsense takes over? The judge is a bloody idiot.
This is round your neck of the woods isn’t it, hux? At least if a Muslim man were a transvestite he could do so in public with ease, I suppose. Nobody’d ever know, would they? Well, unless somebody stopped him to ask directions, I guess;
https://x.com/realMaalouf/status/1883968151664345591
Forcing people to deny reality and play along with someone else’s delusional ideas, that’s harassment. Serious, mental abuse. And it’s happening at a huge scale.
It’s also forcing someone to state a lie under duress; surely that can’t be legal?
O/T: I have just returned from a service in part commemorating The Holocaust. Do we have similar services commemorating the Holodomor and The Great Chinese Famine ’59? Is there a political angle to this? There seems to be academic dispute about whether these were “natural occurrences”, “man-made” or even “genocide”. Is there editorial control about how these events are referred to?
Why wasn’t his autism, mental illness ever mentioned? Was hecsavagely beaten in prison recently or is that a rumour?
Oh so people now need approval to refer to a man as man? —-We are truly lost in a sea of absurdity, and it is to be hoped a vaccine can be found for the Liberal Progressive Virus.
Born male, male, same with female, choose to live differently, your perrogative, however, asking people to perpetuate your choice by lying is not and a male in female changing rooms is not acceptable, no matter what claims of “gender” made
There is no “transgender” anything. Gender is used in the declention of words in language to determine its syntactic function by way of inflection.
It has no relevance in biology. Are there “transgender” tulips or gold fish.
Reject the premise – don’t go along with the nitwits.
What we need is Donald Trump or a strong enough politician to adopt and apply his policies and principles.
Oh dear. So the NHS really doesn’t even know the difference between male and female. I wonder if they know the difference between alive and dead ?