Experts Call For Return of Lockdown-Style Social Distancing as Flu Surges, Claiming “a Fifth of Those Infected Have No Symptoms But Can Spread It”
Experts have issued an urgent call for lockdown-style social distancing ahead of Christmas Day amid surging flu infections, claiming that a fifth of those infected have no symptoms but can spread it. The Mail has the story.
Speaking to MailOnline, public health specialists say those with even mild cold symptoms should consider self-isolating as they may unknowingly have the virus which can be fatal to older people.
Along with avoiding family gatherings, they have recommended mask-wearing and social distancing in a bid to avoid passing on the bug.
Professor Paul Hunter, an expert in infectious diseases from the University of East Anglia, said: “If you are ill with flu you should stay away from other people for the first three days and preferably for the first week.
“This is especially important if they are elderly or suffer from medical conditions that make them more at risk.”
Flu symptoms include a fever, sore throat, muscle aches and a cough, however Prof Hunter warned many people simply suffer something similar to a common cold.
About a fifth of those infected with flu have no symptoms but can still pass the bug on to others, he added.
It comes latest data shows a high flu burden in the NHS with nearly 3,000 Brits in England hospitalised as of the end of last week with the virus, with over 150 of these considered to be in a critical condition.
This compares to just 700 total hospitalisations at the same time last year, with roughly four times fewer critical ill patients.
Experts also warned worse could be on the way with some predicting a further surge in illness brought about by socialising over Christmas and New Year.
Rising pressures come despite data showing less than one in four frontline NHS staff have had the flu vaccine amid fears this year’s version is less effective than hoped.
Professor Lawrence Young, virologist from the University of Warwick, also urged people with potential flu symptoms to consider lockdown-style measures.
“If you have flu-like symptoms, it’s really important to think about limiting your contact with other people particularly those who are clinically vulnerable to chest infections,” he said.
He added this was important to consider even if vulnerable people had received a flu jab as, like any vaccine, it cannot offer 100% protection from serious illness.
Professor Ian Jones, a virologist at the University of Reading, also said it was best for people with potential flu to restrict their movements.
But he added if this wasn’t possible then they should wear a mask in crowded areas to reduce possible transmission.
“It’s always difficult at this time of year but it is the best option, both for the sufferer and for those around them,” he said.
It comes as scores of Brits have flooded social media saying they are the “sickest they have ever been” as flu continues to rip through the nation.
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It’s time the “experts” were locked down and muzzled.
Symptoms are the immune system response to an infection.
Respiratory viruses are adapted to use the immune response: nasal discharge, sneezing, coughing to spread.
No symptoms, no spread.
So-called asymptomatic spread is nonsense. In fact lies… like “safe & effective” and from the same culprits.
In the case of respiratory viruses there is a delay of about 24 hours between infection and noticeable symptoms during which time the individual is not infectious. Then once the symptoms develop and the virus is bursting out of the cells or the invaded cells are being destroyed and ruptured by the immune system, the individual becomes infectious for a period of about 48 to 72 hours as viruses are expelled from the upper respiratory tract as aerosols into the surrounding environment.
It depends how effective the immune system is. In healthy people a Cold or ‘flu has peaked around the 5 day mark post infection, then subsides over the next 5 to 7 days.
In unhealthy people it can last longer and in some ultimately death.
And the separation distance between people/animals has any effect is bollocks. The concentration of potential contaminants in a local environment, like a busy pub or shop, might be relevant, but that’s about it.
Or just told to FO and leave us all alone?
I’d prefer something like tied to a post and whipped. Some people are too stupid to learn from experience and too dangerous to be allowed to go free. But preciously few people are too stupid to learn to avoid pain. Hence, for run-of-the-mill academic flu expert without a clue, it must be: Stop telling these stories you very well know to be nonsense or the outcome will be painful to you.
If people can carry and not have symptoms, how do you know that this thing is an infectious agent? You don’t. It’s been a guess all along. Perhaps influenza is not a viral disease. It’s time for a complete reevaluation of this entire field of medicine and science. RFK cannot be the only hope we have.
Dr Mike Yeadon is firmly of the opinion that virology is another scam.
Viruses do not exist.
Does the flu wait 9 months of the year? Or is the change in weather, dry, cold mixed with warm, wet, a change in barometry, mixed with pleomorphic bacteria and spores more likely to blame?
“ 150 of these considered to be in a critical condition”
Interesting to know if any of them also had the flu jab.
I wonder how many caught it in hospital?
The “vulnerable” almost certainly have been. The ones that now have to lock themselves away.
These “experts” have literally zero self awareness.
Yeah, let’s lock down! Don’t kill granny, we’ll do that for you (although we’ll call it assisted suicide).
That’s about right. Has anyone noticed that on one the one hand the noise is about protecting the old and vulnerable, and on the other bemoaning the fact we are living longer causing stress on the NHS, benefit system and pensions. Whilst at the same time bringing in measures that will effect food and power supplies which will surely kill off a number of others. As you say MM, don’t kill granny, we’ll do it for you, the Marxist Nanny State, it works for them but not for you.
Grannies would surely live longer if we stopped importing Gimmigrants and spent our money on our people.
The application of any restrictions after a virus has peaked will give the impression that all the restrictions will have worked because this, or any virus with the same seasonality’ is in retreat. There is absolutely nothing in this that is scientific in the great Western traditions and absolutely everything in this that is in the great totalitarian traditions of the East. There is absolutely nothing that can be done about an airborne virus that is out in the wild and it will do it’s thing whatever we do. When Europeans arrived in the Americas the Indigenous American’s immune systems were naïve to all European infections, including colds and influenza, which caused widespread deaths amongst the indigenous populations. Since that initial contact the indigenous Americans fare no worse than Europeans because their immune system recognizes all the same general respiratory infections as everyone else. The best health strategy is to allow people, especially the healthy, to mix freely and get exposure as soon as possible. They will exercise their immune systems and the usual winter waves of infection may peak earlier. However, none of this is about health is it? The last time we went through all this was the… Read more »
Farr’s law. What goes up (In the context of communicable diseases) must come down.
And, that’s despite medical interventions, not because of.
And, it’s mainly due to herd immunity – not so much viruses mutating into more benign forms.
Politicians must be seen to DO SOMETHING. This plays into the hands of bigtec and bigpharma. With disastrous consequences. The disastrous consequences are censored very effectively by a compliant and captured MSM.
The medical establishment were captured over 100 years ago. Big thanks to the Rockefellers.
And, by the way, don’t use the “F” word Influenza accounts for only a tiny fraction of Influenza like illness – less than 3%, most of the rest are unknown. So, “Flu” vaccines are pretty useless and are probably harmful.
The mass testing hysteria that swept the world led to huge numbers of productive people staying home because of a positive result while they were perfectly healthy. Not ever has humanity done such a dumb thing as that. Herr Klaus brought out the book COIVD-19: The Great Reset just 3 months after the CCP managed WHO declared a pandemic. What extraordinary timing. Here is a small selection from that book of WEF aspirations. All completely and utterly dystopian and misanthropic: Page 1 “Since it made its entry on the world stage, COVID-19 has dramatically torn up the existing script of how to govern countries, live with others and take part in the global economy.” Page 33 – Just to provide a broad and oversimplified example, the containment of the coronavirus pandemic will necessitate a global surveillance network capable of identifying new outbreaks as soon as they arise… Page 95 The return of “big” government – Taxation will increase, particularly for the most privileged, because governments will need to strengthen their resilience capabilities and wish to invest more heavily in them. As advocated by Joseph Stiglitz: “The first priority is to provide more funding for the public sector, especially for those… Read more »
Page 165 – As the coronavirus crisis recedes and people start returning to the workplace, the corporate move will be towards greater surveillance; for better or worse, companies will be watching and sometimes recording what their workforce does. The trend could take many different forms, from measuring body temperatures with thermal cameras to monitoring via an app how employees comply with social distancing… Page 173 – In short, a return to business as usual. This won’t happen because it can’t happen. For the most part “Business as usual” died from (or at the very least was infected by) COVID-19. Page 174 – For some, like entertainment, travel or hospitality, a return to pre-pandemic environment is unimaginable in the foreseeable future (and maybe never in some cases…)… Page 197 – The pandemic may increase our anxiety about sitting in an enclosed space with complete strangers, and many people may decide that staying at home to watch the latest movie or opera is the wisest option. Page 247 Conclusion – However, at a global level, if viewed in terms of the percentage of the global population effected, the corona crisis is (so far) one of the least deadly pandemics the world has… Read more »
“We will see how contact tracing has an unequalled capacity and a quasi-essential place in the armoury needed to combat COVID-19, while at the same time being positioned to become an enabler of mass surveillance.”
It was totally useless, just like carbon capture I bet. But that is missing the point, it is about surveillance and another commenter mentioned how they may have used the T&T funds for other ‘security’ issues that we have not been told about.
They will not let up whatever the general public wish. They don’t care what the general public wish and they are determined to change the world as they see fit. ‘They’ being the globalists. The useful idiots are not aware that there are a great many globalists that wish to reduce the human populations and that means many will not be on the privileged list of those that can stay. Just like Rachel from Accounts – these people have no idea what they are doing and no idea why their ideas are so bloody dangerous. “Finally, we might decide that civilisation itself is worth preserving. In that case we have to work out what to save and which people would be needed in a drastically reduced population – weighing the value of scientists and musicians against that of politicians, for example.” Susan Blakemore UK Guardian science journalist “Government in the future will be based upon . . . a supreme office of the biosphere. The office will comprise specially trained philosopher/ecologists. These guardians will either rule themselves or advise an authoritarian government of policies based on their ecological training and philosophical sensitivities. These guardians will be specially trained for the… Read more »
Funny that they could never make it work despite £15 Billion! I said it would never work on the first day, but then what might I know that they obviously don’t?
“Four times fewer”? Utter balls! One fourth or one quarter. You cannot multiply and come up with less unless you start with fractions.
Look behind the flu headlines and see the news the NHS does not want you to see. Another change to the RegIonal NHS Trusts which means many of us have fewer hospital beds and medical staff per patient than ever before. You may ask where these alleged millions and billions are being spent.
Politicians pockets, and not only elected ones…
To paraphrase the esteemed Dr Mike Yeadon who absolutely destroys the notion of “asymptomatic spread” – if you don’t have any symptoms you cannot be infectious.
The term experts should always be shown in quotes (“experts”).
Ex as in has been, spurts as in drips under pressure.
Of course, because that strategy worked so well last time… (face plant)!
One really needs to question using the term ‘expert’ when describing those spreading fear of the long-falsified germ theory of illness and disease.
Of course, the link between a toxic untested mRNA gene therapy, all-cause excess deaths, chronic illnesses and long-term chronic post-covid sequele is totally lost on these ‘experts’.
“… those infected with flu have no symptoms but can still pass the bug on to others, he added.”
No, they do not and can’t. Challenge studies have falsified this hypothesis repeatedly. Until these ‘experts’ advise politicians to base their public policies on the truth, the situation will only get worse.
The truth is that contagion is a myth fueled by greed and hubris;
I’ll risk it. You can keep your distance from me if you like.
And by the same argument we should not drive motor vehicles anywhere in case we run somebody over. We should not say anything on the internet in case we upset someone.
In fact we should not do anything that is not approved by The Zealots That Be.
[sarcasm]
I can’t resist posting here the best comment from a similar thread elsewhere, apologies if the original author reads this but it’s too good not to share:
“Covid has finally been relegated to a run-of-the-mill respiratory illness amongst many others doing the rounds in winter. What an absolute tragedy for the death cult. They have lost their star performer. Instead of their beloved mandates, we have feeble “recommendations” that no one is paying any attention to.”
Never, never, never again!
There were a few masked morons in Tesco yesterday – with that weird ‘death stare’….
I do not know much about the University of Warwick but both the University of Easy Access and Reading have bad reputations due to their links to climate bollocks.
These people are really sick. They spread around a fear and malaise that caused more damage than a world war and now they are back for more. They feel that using cash is grubby. Look at Hitler, a hygiene obsessive and a copraphiliac. Several of his girlfriends commited suicide because they couldn’t handle the shit eating. Such depleted souls don’t see the damage at all. Soul dead agents of a cancerous spread. Not particularly pleasant on the outside and inside full of dead men’s bones. That only a minority can discern it suggests a movement into a period of fury and polarization. What would you do if some brain dead zombie told you to wear the mask again? Maybe a bit less compliant.
The reason for the “spreading nonsense from alleged experts” is to increase the rate of mental illness significantly. This makes people more compliant, reduces the ability to apply logic and think properly. The experts are of course not experts in anything useful, alhough they may well have a PhD in “cleaning the kitchen floor with a mop” or something equally stupid. Why are so few now studying Engineering or Hard Science (meaning fundamental like Physics). Because one has to work very hard to achieve anything. Medicine is even worse, 20 years of hard graft eh. Jabby?
How many of the hospitalised are geriatric with other co morbidity, and what percentage of them have had their flu shot and covid booster? my guess is most of them, and finally in a population of minimum 70 million this is hardly a massive number. The high financed National Harm service should have no problem dealing with even treble the number.
oh and the specialists should be the ones locked up
To be fair there are a lot of really ill people around. Most just suffer a diminution of health or vitality at home. If you are incapable of looking at the confluence of factors that are causing this then you can be of no service in providing remedy because the malaise of our time is in its essence the dissecting or cutting up of the whole, fragmentation, atomisation, the dead end of materialism. And so nothing can improve without this understanding. Eytmologically wholeness and holiness refer us back to this understanding that they are the same.
It seems a part of Britain is infected with experts again and if they’re allowed to spread, like they were last time, the outcome will be a lot worse and kill vastly more people than any seasonal respiratory illness ever could. And as these experts are people and not submicroscopic airborne viruses, controlling their movements is pretty easy. Stay alert to stay safe. Don’t let experts spread! People do not spread viruses. Viruses infect people, that is, they enter and leave their bodies completely independent of anything people do, invisible to them and without any chance of the people controlling the movement of the viruses. Wherever you have people in the vicinity, there will be invisible clouds of viruses etc in the air around them for quite some distance. These will easily travel through any opening of anything, including the gargantuan (seen from the perspective of the viruses) holes in people-made fabrics like those used for face masks. The only chance someone who wants to avoid the viruses has is to isolate in a distant location, at least several miles away¹ from the next group of people, and stay there. ¹ A bout of COVID infections happened on a hitherto… Read more »
The early language that we have used to describe illnesses has endured. ‘Influenza’ for example is an astrological reference.
Booger the “experts” 😡
Merry Christmas All 🥰
Maybe, we could have a merry game of “punch an expert” on boxing day?
🙂
Will, don’t give these fearmongering a moments notice. They are full of beans. Printing one word of their fearmongering is almost as bad as the fearmongering.
Coming into contact with weakened virus and fragments of virus is how we have survived for millions of years without vaccines, that have now been shown to be largely ineffective. Little and often. Wild bird populations generally survive avian flu but sheltered poultry that has never been exposed, and which are culled at the first sign of flu never have chance to build up immunity and because they don’t pass survival of it to offspring, because they don’t have any in commercial environments, will eventually have such weakened immunity whole breeds will be eradicated
Ah yes the University of East Anglia. The ground zero of Net Zero, the Climate Research Unit that started as one man and his dog and now holds the ignorant politicians in its thrall.
‘Experts’ (sic). Yeah, right!
“The sickest they have ever been”. Now I wonder why that could be true? Oh, the “Covid Jab” ruins your immune response in many people. What a surprise then that more people are ill! Take you vitamin supplement every day, It helps. The instigators need to be locked up forever.
Let’s start by stopping calling them ‘experts’
Is there any evidence of masks reducing transmission as Professor Ian Jones evidently believes?
“nearly 3,000 Brits in England hospitalised as of the end of last week with the virus, ….”. Oh no, that’s awful. It’s nearly one and a half per hospital!! Quick. Lockdown.
Why do people who suggest masks consider themselves to be experts? Pathetic people.