What Fresh Hell is This? The Climate and Nature Bill

A Private Members’ Bill is currently wending its way through Parliament. Called the Climate and Nature Bill (CAN), it threatens to wreck the U.K. economy, damage lives and undermine democracy.

And that’s just for starters! It makes Theresa May’s Net Zero legislation look like a walk in the park.


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psychedelia smith
1 year ago

With ‘carbon footprint’ measuring bank cards and digital ID all lined up behind it no doubt. I’m starting to believe this shower of totalitarian shit are worse than the Chinese Communist Party. At least they’ve got some sense of self-preservation of their country. and an appreciation of the vital importance of cheap abundant energy.

The alternative and quite plausible explanation for this suicide plan of course is that Zero House is Chinese funded.

Tonka Rigger
1 year ago

Use cash.

Ardandearg
Ardandearg
1 year ago
Reply to  Tonka Rigger

You still need bank cards to draw out cash, and not everyone has easy access to ATMs.

Jeff Chambers
Jeff Chambers
1 year ago

Nut-zero and green-nihilism have always had at their heart the transition to post-democracy. It’s why our “moral superiors” from the madleft are so, so keen on them.

sskinner
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Chambers

“I have a feeling that climate change may be an issue as severe as a war. It may be necessary to put democracy on hold for a while.” James Lovelock (He did change his tune in later years) “Democracy is not a panacea. It cannot organize everything and it is unaware of its own limits. These facts must be faced squarely. Sacrilegious though this may sound, democracy is no longer well suited for the tasks ahead. The complexity and the technical nature of many of today’s problems do not always allow elected representatives to make competent decisions at the right time.” Club of Rome “Obama is already setting a new historic course by reorienting the economy from private consumption to public investments…free-market pundits bemoan the evident intention of Obama and team to ‘tell us what kind of car to drive’. Yet that is exactly what they intend to do…and rightly so. Free-market ideology is an anachronism in an era of climate change.” Jeffery Sachs Columbia University, Director of The Earth Institute “The concept of national sovereignty has been immutable, indeed a sacred principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new… Read more »

Jay Willis
1 year ago

We might as well get on with it. There’s no use stumbling along with half hearted targets, let’s really sink this ship and get over it. Let’s aim for cold, hard, assisted death, for the people and institutions of England and the UK. Let’s leave our children, well those that survive, with what they really need. A challenge.

Climan
Climan
1 year ago
Reply to  Jay Willis

… and lets chop down every tree in the country for firewood, that should dent the “green” vote.

soundofreason
soundofreason
1 year ago
Reply to  Climan

Firewood would be the by-product. Let’s chop down the trees to make way for the windmills.

soundofreason
soundofreason
1 year ago
Reply to  Jay Willis

Tempting – but I do think we ought to continue to try to stop this.

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  soundofreason

The level of threat from this should be the No 1 talking point.

Sceptic Paul
Sceptic Paul
1 year ago
Reply to  Jay Willis

Yes. The people in favour of living a ‘Green Lifestyle’ deserve to experience it – good and hard.

So far we have been isolated from the consequences of the Eco-fascism. The longer it goes on, the more irreversible will be the damage done. Try re-lighting the blast furnaces at Port Talbot, or re-starting the last fertiliser plant in the UK, that closed down last year.

People need to experience the cold, and the dark, and the misery, and the hunger before we get to the point of no return.

As Lenin said, in the run up to the Russian revolution: The worse the better.

I am praying for another Beast from the East, to bring home to people just how stupid, dangerous and evil Project Stone Age is.

The only downside is that sensible, awake, thoughtful people will also have to experience the misery. But let’s get it done now, before it is too late.

James.M
James.M
1 year ago

If we continue to elect clueless politicians we can only expect to suffer from their clueless legislation. At the heart of the problem is the process of democracy, only the pond life float to the surface to get themselves elected because they have nothing better to contribute to society. They are not rational, informed individuals; they are sheep lead by ‘expert opinion’ and have neither the will nor the intellect to analyse the legislation they are asked to vote on.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  James.M

Well this lot in the H of C certainly fit your description. Let’s be blunt, we need a cull in the House. Wasters to the left, the Spartans to the right.

NeilParkin
1 year ago

More Soros funded madness then.

Tonka Rigger
1 year ago

Two ways to look at this.

Yes, it could be seen as more ridiculous legislation to solve the imaginary problem, purely designed to lead to us all having the lives of mediaeval peasants.

Or, it could be celebrated. Too many people still don’t see the scam, it’s taking too long to bite, and thus delaying its own inevitable death. This could speed up the process somewhat.

Every cloud and all that…

huxleypiggles
1 year ago

https://thenewconservative.co.uk/net-zero-nuts-part-ii/

Roger Watson over at ‘the new conservative’ with a suitably complementary article.

stewart
1 year ago

Well, it will be interesting to see if the UK will be taken over by a poverty/suicide cult.

It happens from time to time.

The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia tried to impose extreme communism in the 1970s and destroyed the country in the process.

Maybe Britain will go through something similar.

Something like that can happen when people don’t really understand what creates prosperity.

There is a certain type of person in this country that has completely lost touch with reality and probably has no clue what the source of the prosperity we live in is.

Tonka Rigger
1 year ago
Reply to  stewart

They’re certainly wrecking the country with whatever the hell it is they’re trying to do. The big mistake that is being made however is that every domestic “executive body” is being betrayed and done down by this lot. They’ve no allies, not in the Forces, not in the Police, not anywhere. They are managing to alienate and p*ss off almost everyone, it seems.

Surely a matter of time before “something” happens, you would think.

stewart
1 year ago
Reply to  Tonka Rigger

Not sure.

The public has been so thoroughly brainwashed into the climate change fantasy (and it continues, daily, relentlessly in schools, on the TV, everywhere) that it’s going to be really hard to break them out of it. They’ll blame anything else for their misery and misfortune before accepting its climate change fundamentalism that is taking the country to ruin.

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  stewart

Brexit is the fall guy of the Left.

Tonka Rigger
1 year ago
Reply to  stewart

Maybe so, but physics is on our side.

They can ignore physics, but they can’t ignore the consequences of ignoring physics.

sskinner
1 year ago

“Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force. Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease. Against stupidity we are defenceless. Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgment simply need not be believed – in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical – and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack. For that reason, greater caution is called for when dealing with a stupid person than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.”
Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Jay Willis
1 year ago
Reply to  sskinner

Yes thanks, I think he nailed it right there. He was a hero.

Pete Sutton
Pete Sutton
1 year ago

A question for climate activists which I’ve never seen answered – or even asked very much – is this: When and how will you know whether our net zero efforts are having any effect? Asking the question gets me condemned as a “climate denier”, but it’s a perfectly reasonable question, even for a climate activist to ask.

Jay Willis
1 year ago
Reply to  Pete Sutton

You are attempting a logical argument with people who don’t subscribe to logic and the scientific method. If they just produced a single scientific statement we could assess the falsifiability of that. But they don’t care.

soundofreason
soundofreason
1 year ago
Reply to  Pete Sutton

Most people would simply answer: ‘When the IPCC and other climate experts tell us that’. If pressed they would probably answer that they don’t know what IPCC and climate experts would measure to arrive at that conclusion.

Pete Sutton
Pete Sutton
1 year ago
Reply to  Pete Sutton

To put it another way, is anybody actually monitoring the effects on climate of our ever-decreasing emissions of CO2. Or have we embarked on an experiment with no prospect of seeing. nor wish to see, the result?

RW
RW
1 year ago
Reply to  Pete Sutton

Electricity prices increase?

On a more serious note: Nobody can ever know this because we cannot rerun this experiment without our efforts to determine which effect they had. It’s really wrong to claim that there’s any science involved here. Just a highly selective recording of facts (our outright inventing so-called facts) and theoretical speculation about what could have caused them. Climate change is not a scientifc theory because it’s not falsifiable. And neither are so-called climate change remedies grounded in science because their effects – if any – cannot be determined. This is all just bullshit with numbers.

MadWolf303
MadWolf303
1 year ago

Now I can see why we are importing so many third world gimmiegrants, they are here to show us how to live a subsistence life, in a mud hut, grubbing around the common for worms.

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  MadWolf303

Or used as ‘alternative’ security when enough Brits start asking….What the hell is going on!

RW
RW
1 year ago

I think I can sum the content of this bill up in a much shorter way: Everything is henceforth prohibited unless the people who came up with this bill were asked for permission first and permission was granted. That’s the ultimate ambition of people like Dale Vince¹ (obviously supports this): As only he and his mates infallibly know what’s right and wrong about anything anywhere on earth or in the whole universe, they get to dictate absolutely everything because otherwise, they can’t save the world from mindless pests like us. It’s also remarkable how this is justified: Some of our targets are almost 13 years old, set before scientists fully understood the dangers of exceeding 1.5°C, and before the UK adopted its net zero by 2050 target. They ignore international aviation and shipping until 2033, as well as blue carbon, which is being released from marine environments due to activities like industrial fishing. Current targets also ignore almost 40% of the UK’s emissions by not accounting for all of our imported emissions In plain English, this means You must do what we ask you to do now because we didn’t know what we were doing when asking for something else… Read more »

Lockdown Sceptic
1 year ago

Climate and Nature Bill Dooms Britain

RW
RW
1 year ago

In an ideal universe, the bank accounts of the 192 MPs supporting this would come under close scrutiny to determine if any ‘investment’ in them has been going on. They can’t all be idiots and hence, a reason why this idiotic plan will turn out to be useful to them ought to exist.

Michael Staples
Michael Staples
1 year ago

“Worse still, it lays down that imported emissions are accounted for as well, not just territorial ones as at present.”
This might be the straw that breaks to Net Zero camel’s back. Sceptics are sick of pointing out that we have been exporting CO2 emissions to China by offshoring our manufacturing, and this may actually demonstrate the lunacy to green acolytes.

Epi
Epi
1 year ago

They won’t be happy until we’re all DEAD!

The Enforcer
The Enforcer
1 year ago

The lunatics are running the asylum aka the British Government. I notice that the list of supporting MPs are virtually all the wet dangerous ones – Liberals, Independents, Greens and one Conservative (shame on him).
I also notice that Miatta Fahnbulleh is one of the list and she is a junior Minister in that oxymoron Department labelled Energy Security and Net Zero. I had the pleasure of meeting this lady and her delightful family in the Scottish Highlands by chance and if there is a deluded intellectual politician, she is one. She actually said to me how much she admires her boss – mad Ed Milliband – and I literally banged my forehead on the coffee table several times!
The world has gone mad!

Old Brit
Old Brit
1 year ago

What about the “Environmental footprint” of a wind farm or solar farm ?

Kornea112
Kornea112
1 year ago

It’s a good thing Britain is an island. That will help this self-destructive mass psychosis from spreading.

David
David
1 year ago

i despair of the British people sometimes

RW
RW
1 year ago
Reply to  David

Most British people aren’t former New Age Travellers turned into ‘Green’ fat cats by an endless stream of government subsidies approved by their pals who’ve captured government and basically, all other public institutions. And they’re certainly not all traitors planning to ruin their own country on behalf of the UN. Even most of those who fell prey to the endless propaganda are probably innocent victims and would – in time – recover if this propaganda was cut off.

marebobowl
marebobowl
1 year ago

Time to get out of britain if you are able to. The country is being destroyed intentionally by a globalist run gov’t.

Gwen
Gwen
1 year ago

This Bill needs a lot of attention – making sure each MP has the kind of information in this article. And a petition – anyone?

Butties
1 year ago

Quite simply we need a Proposed Bill for the right to bear arms.

Butties
1 year ago

Quite simply we need a Proposed Bill for the right to bear arms.

BigRob
BigRob
1 year ago

This article is too important to be behind a paywall. I have e-mailed my MP and others with the gist of the repercussions of this bill and asked that they speak out in opposition. We’ll see.

jsampson45
jsampson45
1 year ago
Reply to  BigRob

My MP has read this article and sees no evidence for the claims in it. He says he would welcome a debate so that the claims in it would be called out and challenged. It would be good if there were a proper public debate. My view is that the matter is too serious for Parliament. Is there any possibility of such a public airing?