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NeilParkin
1 year ago

What Nigel Farage gets wrong about ‘two-tier justice’” 

Some classic misdirection from Andrew Tettenborn. Nigel had a valid argument in his case against the milkshake chucker, whatever the court result. Outside of this, two tier policing and justice is plain for everyone to see.

Dinger64
1 year ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

I was just about to say the very same thing,
What Tettenborn fails to observe is that any liquid thrown at anyone could be acid not milkshake! Therefore must be vigorously condemned and treated as such by strong laws

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  Dinger64

A milkshake is not acid.

Dinger64
1 year ago

I said could be! You’re missing the point, no one knows what’s in that cup until it hits the face, throwing any liquid at anyone is the equivalent of brandishing a knife, so your argument would be if its a dagger that’s a crime but if its only a bread knife that’s just a laugh?

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  Dinger64

I don’t see how anyone could reasonably argue that those things are equivalent. I’ve had stuff thrown at me that was not life-threatening/changing, it was a mild irritation, nothing more. I’ve had people hit me over the head with a cricket bat, unprovoked, late at night, with malevolence – somehow I didn’t feel the same as I would have done had the thugs been brandishing a twig.

Dinger64
1 year ago

You don’t get to check what’s in the cup!
We’re talking an assault on the street here not an argument in a pub with a ‘spare of the moment’ pint of mild over the head!

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  Dinger64

I’ve been assaulted and see assaults, throwing a milkshake doesn’t come close.

I think it’s a fine at most for breach of the peace and pay costs towards his ruined suit.

We know what was in the cup, and so did the person that threw it. I don’t think we can base criminal charges and convictions on things that didn’t happen.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago

You are missing the point tof. The hag Jo Brand was upset that the liquid was not battery acid. The next nutter might just make sure it is.

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

And if there is a “next nutter” then they should be punished accordingly.

You could apply your logic to “far right” protests. The next peaceful protest could turn violent, so ban them all.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago

We disagree.

Mogwai
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Seconded, with you and Dings. 👍 They can’t have people languishing in jail having been wrongly imprisoned for merely attending a protest, shouting at a dog, swearing at police, filming a few rowdy men then calling the migrants “tramps” or for posting stuff on social media, some of it even deleted, in the case of Lucy Connolly, but then have some random low-life attack somebody then walk away, free as a bird. We need proportionality and there is none. We see that with the paedophiles consistently being let off. These concerned citizens, these justifiably angry ‘keyboard warriors’ are now used as a barometer for what justice ( or injustice, in this case ) looks like in the UK. Everything else is measured against them. How can a judge reasonably sit back and say that Peter Lynch deserved jail time ( pretty significant too, at 2 years 8 months ) for never attacking anyone or anything but this attention-seeking trollop deserves to walk? It’s a sick joke, and it basically gives the green light for more people to do the same. That lanky SoP that chucked tomato soup on Kellie-Jay Kean ( ‘Let Women Speak’) also got off with a small… Read more »

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Excellent post Mogs 👌

Dinger64
1 year ago

I can see what your getting at, but your explanation allows the act to go head and deal with the milkshake or acid after the fact, the law is to deter the act in the first place! No matter what’s in the cup,the gun or any weapon, the point of good law is to deter people from commiting the act it the first place, letting people off is not a deterant!

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  Dinger64

Yes but the charge and sentence must be proportionate to the offence

My views on sentencing of serious crimes are probably at least as draconian as yours

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Dinger64

Dinger, I think you mean “spur.”

Dinger64
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Sorry Hux, I must have had ten pin bowling on my mind! 🤣
A bowling pin, a cricket bat ot a twig?
A twig could still take an eye out!

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Dinger64

Indeed.

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago

Jeremy Corbyn egging: Brexiteer jailed for 28 days – BBC News

“Magistrates said Murphy had attacked “our democratic process”.

Murphy, from Barnet, north-west London, admitted the charge of

ASSAULT BY BEATING.”

thechap
thechap
1 year ago
Reply to  Dinger64

Assault is also the apprehension of physical violence. The victim does not know what is about to be thrown over them, and so could reasonably feel terror up to the moment they realise it’s not a dangerous liquid.

For Farage he must feel like anything thrown at him could be a dangerous substance. In such circumstances, that the liquid is *only* a milkshake should not make it a minor crime because it is *only* a milkshake.

That the liquid is a milkshake is to a degree irrelevant. What the victim personally experiences forms an element of the assault. Fear is classed as an actual bodily harm

Colleages and I had a glass of liquid suddenly thrown in our faces at an address while I was a copper. For about three seconds I absolutely sh*t myself not knowing if my face was about to start burning away. The b***tard got off at court on an outrageous technicality which was never put to us in court, and which we never were given a chance to refute – which we would have easily done.

Dinger64
1 year ago
Reply to  thechap

You put it a lot better than I can👍

thechap
thechap
1 year ago
Reply to  thechap

I should have been clearer.

Psychological harm is classed as an Actual Bodily Harm.

There are stated cases where a traumatised or terrified victim was deemed to have suffered an ABH.

The information is out there, and I invite you to look it up.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago

Could the perps ask plod to confirm “not acid” before the perps use them ?

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Not sure why that makes a difference. I mean, there’s a split second when you don’t know what it is, so it gives you a fright, then you do. I don’t know how you classify that under the law, but a milkshake is not acid. There’s no intent to harm, it’s just an annoying windup.

thechap
thechap
1 year ago

You seem to completely downplay the fear of the victim in that moment. You believe that fear to be irrelevant. I don’t think you’re being very victim-focused in this sort of matter. To you, it’s just a milkshake.

If someone walked up to Farage and slapped him across the face, would it ‘just a slap, no harm done’..?

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  thechap

I’m not saying it’s irrelevant, just tricky to come up with a definition of what that should mean to the charge and the sentence – it’s worse than if someone knows beforehand if it’s a milkshake, but not the same as actually throwing acid. I have been a “victim” – after 3 seconds all I was thinking of was chasing the people who threw stuff at me and giving them a smack in the chops.

thechap
thechap
1 year ago

It goes without saying that actually throwing acid is worse – much worse. However, that it’s not acid shouldn’t automatically make it a minor matter. You can’t go around making people feel terrified and fearful because it’s *just* a milkshake.

i dont think it’s in the least tricky. The court should have recognised the fear Farage would have undoubtedly felt in that moment by giving her a harsher sentence. Which was never going to happen from this particular judge, of course…

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  thechap

Completely agree.

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  thechap

I think a custodial sentence, even suspended, is over the top, especially when you look at other sentences for habitual criminals.

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago

When someone threw an EGG AT JEREMY CORBYN in 2019, HE WAS THROWN INTO PRISON.

Jeremy Corbyn egging: Brexiteer jailed for 28 days – BBC News

“Magistrates said Murphy had attacked “our democratic process”.
Murphy, from Barnet, north-west London, admitted

THE CHARGE OF ASSAULT BY BEATING.”

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  Heretic

I think that was a harsh sentence too.

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago

IT WAS AN ATTACK ON DEMOCRACY.

You can always be relied upon to come up with wishy-washy arguments in any discussion.

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  Heretic

I agree that chucking stuff at a political event undermines the democratic process, though that’s not what she was charged with.

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago

The electoral candidate Nigel Farage was

TEMPORARILY BLINDED in the midst of a crowd

by the UNKNOWN LIQUID THROWN INTO HIS EYES.

The porn star deserved a jail sentence, just like the man who egged Corbyn, but she got off because she was a woman, and a porn star, and the judge fancied her and hates Nigel.

Dinger64
1 year ago
Reply to  Heretic

Spot on

thechap
thechap
1 year ago

If idiots knew full well that if they egg, milkshake, slap or whatever another person in an unprovoked attack that they would be sent down for three months, there would be far fewer eggings, milkshakings, slapping, etc.

The weak sentencing you advocate is one of the main causes of why society is now a shit place to live in.

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  thechap

As I’ve said elsewhere I favour draconian sentences for serious crimes – when criminals are in prison they can’t commit crimes against the general public

I was egged by thug kids – pretty normal in London – should they be sent to prison?

thechap
thechap
1 year ago

I completely agree with your first paragraph.

Where we differ is that I say there should also be harsh sentences for the anti-social crimes also. Short, sharp shocks, as it were.

I’m in no doubt that the reason why there is so much anti-social behaviour in this country is because sh1theads know that virtually nothing will happen to them if they get caught. In my world, people would fear being anti-social because they know they’d spend some time in the clink. You’d only need to be anti-social once before you learnt the hard way.

Out on the hit and miss with my younger brother one night about 25 years ago, we were talking about society’s problems with crime and anti-social behaviour. I stated how passionately I believe in freedom of/for the individual, and how the State should not unnecessarily interfere in the lives of individuals. I came up with a phrase which I stand by to this day;

Liberal laws, applied draconianly.

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  thechap

Liberal laws, applied draconianly.” Yes, I like that.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  thechap

Seconded.

Dinger64
1 year ago

So if it was a gun pointed at you by a stranger on the street, would that be different? Just because you recognise the weapon?

Dinger64
1 year ago
Reply to  Dinger64

Ergo, the bullets may be blanks and it was all a jolly jape to frighten someone!
Does that make pointing a gun at someone a lesser crime because you don’t know what it’s loaded with?
In the US it is regarded as armed assault wether the gun is loaded or not and so it should be

brightlightsweetown
brightlightsweetown
1 year ago

A fake gun isn’t a gun but quite rightly is treated as one under the law. Fake knives, fake guns, engender fear in the victim, and there are plenty of examples of acid being thrown to the victims permanent scarring, or painful death. I think you’re mistaken on this incident.

transmissionofflame
1 year ago

I’ve had a fake gun pointed at me

I figured (hoped) based on the context that it was fake though it was not a thrilling experience

It’s not really the same as the milkshake incident as he didn’t have foreknowledge

Kone Wone
Kone Wone
1 year ago

You entirely miss the point!

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago
Reply to  Dinger64

Yes, and the man who threw an egg at Jeremy Corbyn in 2019 was JAILED FOR “ASSAULT BY BEATING”, the exact same charge the porn star was let off for, because it was Nigel Farage who was attacked.

Jeremy Corbyn egging: Brexiteer jailed for 28 days – BBC News

“Magistrates said Murphy had attacked “our democratic process”.

Murphy, from Barnet, north-west London, admitted
THE CHARGE OF ASSAULT BY BEATING.”

NeilParkin
1 year ago

Police ‘failed to spot rise of far-Right violence before riots’

I saw some protests, some of which turned violent, but it wasn’t co-ordinated, like hundreds of ‘anti-fascists’ turning up to protest at the drop of a hat with freshly printed, graphic designed Socialist Worker placards. Inevitably if you disenfranchise citizens from democratic processes, then they will turn to other methods of getting their point across. There has been far too much of telling ordinary Britons to shut up because the elite and the bureaucrats, scientists and politicians ‘know best’.

Hardliner
1 year ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

The public did itself no favours by accepting Covid so meekly and thoroughly….

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Hardliner

Hear, hear.

Jon Garvey
1 year ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

It seems to me that the only riot that the police actually had to flee was not “far right,” but a “Roma vigil.”

There was something in the news recently about the trauma suffered by police during the disturbances, but most of what we actually saw on the news seemed little more than angry demonstration, the anger often provoked by police aggression. The cars seemed to be set on fire by masked gangs in black wherever the police weren‘t.

So is it the case that we’re being gaslighted on the severity of the violence, or (conceivably) that the really violent riots were never reported on the news in order to preserve community stability? In the latter case, it would be another move towards being told nothing except what the official narrative requires us to believe. In the former case, the aim is the same, but the means consists of getting us not to believe our lying eyes in favour of the narrative.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

If police are suffering ‘trauma’ as a result of carrying out their duties they are in the wrong job.

thechap
thechap
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

That’s not fair. Police officers are human beings. Just because it’s your job to scrape a child’s body off the road, or to inform someone that their daughter or son has died suddenly, or to go alone into a room with a deranged violent person, or to face a crowd who would quite happily knock you to the ground and deform your face, or turn up at a job to find a man with a bullet hole in his face, doesn’t mean you don’t get affected by it.

If you don’t want coppers who may be traumatised by the things that they see, then you either want complete psychopaths as coppers, or you want robots.

I’d prefer to know coppers were human beings, capable of empathy, and subject to the same vulnerabilities as everyone else.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  thechap

I apologise. I take your point.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

There is no “far right” in this country. We have many, many extremely dangerous and sometimes violent left-wingers but “far right ” is BS.

NeilParkin
1 year ago

Why cats are the new pigs – and could spark the next pandemic” 

That is a big fat red line. Cross it at your peril.

Marcus Aurelius knew
Reply to  NeilParkin

Miaow!

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

They’re also after horses, now saying they’ve been infected with Bird Flu, and could spark the next pandemic.

NeilParkin
1 year ago

Kim Leadbeater has stacked the deck on assisted dying” 

I am deeply suspicious of this bill and why it has been rushed through parliament with minimal scrutiny. It had some very big buck advertising/lobbying behind it which makes me wonder ‘cui bono’. For context, I have seen close family have protracted deaths from cancer, Parkinsons and Alzheimers so I understand the emotional argument as well as anyone. I would not support this. The fact that in Canada, assisted dying is the third biggest cause of death should ring alarm bells loud and clear.

Lockdown Sceptic
1 year ago

Wednesday Morning B3349 & Basingstoke Rd,
Riseley Wokingham RG7 1QR

201
Marcus Aurelius knew

Of all your signs, I like this one the most!

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago

Me, too! It’s one to remember and quote:

“FIGHT EVIL!

SPEAK THE TRUTH!”

Purpleone
1 year ago

Interested to know which signs / subjects get the most support from drivers? 10/10 for persistence as well with this!

Steve-Devon
1 year ago

Study blames ‘sexism’ for causing dementia in women
I note that in this report it states that;

”The researchers did not suggest a biological mechanism to explain the difference.”

If I am correct I seem to remember some phrase about correlation does not equal causation? But it seems that in our new modern way of doing things we do not let little matters like biological mechanisms stand in our way if we have a point to make about something as critical as sexism.

Jon Garvey
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

“Correlation does not equal causation” is so white supremacist!

soundofreason
soundofreason
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Women die older than men (on average). Not too surprising that they develop dementia. As a Leading Cause of death it mostly affects the older age groups. The older age groups have a higher proportion of women.

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For a fist full of roubles

The critics of WASPI women’s claim is not that it is just or unjust, but that Labour leaders supported it then on the justice of their position but don’t support it now because of Government profligacy since the Election.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago

The change in viewpoint by Labour politicians has nothing to do with current spending and everything to do with sewing unrest and engendering poverty. The intentions of Kneel’s government is to cripple the country. We are way beyond so-called class politics and now face a truly evil mob intent on destroying this country forever. And killing millions in the process.

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

It is “sowing unrest”, as in “sowing seeds”.

JohnK
1 year ago

“Labour council to dim street lights to save money despite spending £25 million on eco initiatives” Not a new idea. Back in the late 1980s I was in an area where it was council practice to switch off most of the streetlights about half an hour after the pubs closed, until 05:00 the next day. Later on, the policy was scrapped – but these days modern lights are more efficient than the old ones anyway.

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  JohnK

Ours go off during the night and come back on at 5. I quite like the darkness. Locals carry torches or use their phones. I suppose it doesn’t suit everyone.

Jon Garvey
1 year ago

Here in the sticks the darkness is total, apart from the moon and stars. It’s fine until a deer bursts out of the hedge when you’re feeling your way home.

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

I tend to think darkness is good for you, as long as you have a way to light things up when you need to.

The old bat
1 year ago

I am a WASPI woman I suppose. It was not that the retirement age was raised that was the problem for me, it was the way it was done. The first rise was well flagged as far as I can remember – I certainly knew about it, but the second one, nothing. All they had to do was write a letter but they couldn’t even do that. I heard about it from a much younger colleague, and then had to make my own inquiries as to what was happening. I was fortunate in that I had two employment based pensions that kicked in at 60 (I think perhaps those are a thing of the past now!)
Similarly, I never ever thought a payout would happen, but the fact is, it is yet another Labour lie. Along with all these promises they made about never getting rid of the fuel allowance etc, it just shows that you cannot believe a single word they say, they are totally untrustworthy in every sphere.

Purpleone
1 year ago
Reply to  The old bat

Not that close to this issue, but I can’t see why they can’t taper it by year, the mathematics can’t be that complex, even for the civil service…

Dinger64
1 year ago

“Millionaire who changed gender three times sues NHS after ‘botched’ op”

Oh dear, how sad, never mind

Silly tw@t!

EppingBlogger
1 year ago

The Waspi women don’t deserve compensation” – We are being invited to believe that tens of thousands of women drew up detailed plans for their retirement – all now undermined – without actually bothering to find out at what age they would retire, writes Ross Clark in the Spectator.

Ross Clark is wrong to isolate this as the only basis for claims but, in fact, my wife did take into account the anticipated retirement age when she resigned from a job she enjoyed but where her boss was too difficult to tolerate. Shabby. Ill thought out. Short term. Unreasonable. These are the descriptions for the WASPI scandal which all old Westminster parties agreed to bury.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/seen-elsewhere-this-week-in-the-alt-media-10/

A brilliant round-up of the week’s alt media stories.

John le Seur at TCW. Definitely worth your time.

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago

Southport stabbing suspect pleads not guilty to killing three children

Shocking that he has not been charged with Terrorism. I hope the police have already investigated the imam of Southport Mosque, and that the truth will come out in the trial.

You can see the “Ethnic Mental Health Free Pass” card getting ready to be played, just like that evil b*stard Ethnic African from Guinea-Bissau Valdo Colocane, who murdered all those people in Nottingham last year.

klf
klf
1 year ago
Reply to  Heretic

You can see the “Ethnic Mental Health Free Pass” card getting ready to be played

My thoughts exactly. I hope the jury will see through this ruse, and that this scum never sees the light of day again.

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago
Reply to  klf

The trouble with our whole judicial system is that, no matter how sensible, fair and just the verdicts of the juries are, neither they nor the victim’s families are allowed to decide the punishments. Bent prosecutors use lesser charges, judges often mock justice by giving outrageously lenient sentences to evil criminals, and western prisons are holiday camps where inmates can get their online university degrees.

It’s better to Abolish the Judiciary completely, and let the victims, their families, and the juries decide upon imaginative punishments that will act as a genuine deterrent. For example, all victims and their families given 5 minutes alone with the criminal bound to a metal chair, on condition that they are not allowed to kill him, while police guards wait outside with a stopwatch, blithely ignoring the shrieks of the criminal, then respectfully ushering out the victim’s families, before deporting the criminal to a prison hospital wherever his ancestors lived 1000 years ago. No lawyers or judiciary or Legal Aid appeals permitted after sentencing.

That would be true justice.

soundofreason
soundofreason
1 year ago

The vegan wind-farm owner who wants to shape Starmer’s politics

Sharing an image of a zombie, which featured in a trailer for 28 Years Later, an apocalyptic thriller due for release next year, he posted on X on December 12: “Farmers when you tell them to pay tax like everyone else…”

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Mogwai
1 year ago
Reply to  soundofreason

That’s the legendary Christopher Lee as Dracula. You surely know that, right? He’s probably looking at the other legend of British cinema that is Peter Cushing, I assume. Loved my Hammer Horrors as a kid.🧛‍♂️🧟‍♀️

soundofreason
soundofreason
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

I suspect Dracula is eyeing up a tasty looking virgin. Like a solar farmer Dale Vince eyeing up the tasty electricity generation subsidies.

(Just to Labour the point 🙂 ).

soundofreason
soundofreason
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

I changed the caption

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago

What Nigel Farage gets wrong about ‘two-tier justice’

Here’s yet another egregious example of Two-Tier Justice:

Neo-Nazi found with home ‘armoury’ jailed for terrorism offences – BBC News

“He denied all the offences, but a jury found him guilty of charges under the Terrorism Act, Racism, Anti-Semitism, Holocaust Denial and Breach of the Peace.

Edward [aged 55, now sentenced to 10 years, has been jailed on remand since 2022] will also be supervised for five years following his release, and MONITORED FOR 30 YEARS under the terms of the Terrorism Act.”

A comment from a member of the public:

“Migrant heritage Wajid Yunis and his gang who were driving round Stoke looking for victims – with four zombie knives, a baseball bat, a Samurai sword, a small knife, a stab vest, stab proof gloves and masks. All got suspended sentences. Like that’s not terrorism in action, out and about on the streets. While this native person got 10yrs and endless lifelong conditions for a Fantasy At Home. Clear & extreme two tier justice with an anti-native racist agenda.”

JohnK
1 year ago

An interesting statistical graph over time – geographical location of coal fired electricity generation. Spot the economic growth in China! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwLwdQnlA9U&list=WL&index=4 by ‘Stats Media’.