What’s the Point of the Latest Ukraine Escalation?
This video depicts the novel Russian intermediate-range ballistic missile “Oreshnik” striking the PA Pivdenmash military-industrial facility in Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine, yesterday evening. The attack marks the first-ever use of a MIRV payload in combat. The Oreshnik is obviously designed for nuclear warheads, but this time the Russians deployed it with conventional munitions, as a mere warning to the West and a signal to us all that we have stepped closer to nuclear war than perhaps at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
The Russian attack comes in response to NATO provocations. Last Sunday, the senile U.S. President Joe Biden reversed his own long-standing policy and authorised the use of American long-range missiles against targets inside Russia. Six American ATACMS missiles were fired from Ukraine three days later, on Tuesday; a separate volley of British Storm Shadows followed late Wednesday evening or early Thursday morning. They were directed at targets in Kursk and Bryansk.
Russian President Vladimir Putin had said in September that such attacks on Russian territory would “mean nothing short of direct involvement… that NATO countries, the United States and European countries are parties to the war in Ukraine”. He promised that such “direct involvement” would “change the very essence, the very nature of the conflict dramatically”. A few weeks after these statements, the Kremlin proposed revisions to Russia’s nuclear doctrine, according to which “an attack from a non-nuclear state… backed by a nuclear-armed one” would be considered a “joint attack” that might justify a nuclear response. Putin approved these changes on Tuesday, hours before the first ATACMS volley.
In a statement after the retaliatory Russian attack on Dnepropetrovks, Putin observed that “the regional conflict in Ukraine provoked by the West has assumed elements of a global nature”. He also insisted that Russia is “entitled to use weapons against military facilities of those countries that allow the use of their weapons against our facilities”, and promised to “respond decisively and in mirror-like fashion” in the case of escalation.
As the amazing Taurus leak confirmed in March, Ukrainian personnel have neither the expertise nor the information to fire complex Western long-range missile systems. They are operated within Ukraine by NATO advisers, with targeting information from NATO satellites. The limited supply of these missiles (the United States has provided Ukraine with a mere 50 ATACMS, of which 44 presumably remain after Tuesday’s attack) and the formidability of Russian air defences moreover mean that these provocations have no hope of changing the course of the war. Even the Americans admit as much, confessing that their hope is merely “to send a message” to North Korean soldiers in Russia “that their forces are vulnerable and that they should not send more of them”. Biden administration officials also say they are emboldened by their belief that Trump’s election has reduced “the escalation risk of allowing Ukraine to strike Russia with U.S.-supplied weaponry”, because “Putin… knows he has to wait only two months for the new administration”. As often, doubting that one’s adversary will retaliate is itself highly dangerous and destabilising.
The German press is handling these ominous developments with its typical vision and maturity. The incurable sabre-rattlers at Welt, for example, are happily telling us that “Putin’s exaggerated threats show how weak he really is”:
The missile strike, in a sense, is… an admission of weakness. Putin knows that his constant nuclear threats have worn dull and no longer have the desired effect on Western politicians. German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock, for example, reacted with boredom to the new Russian nuclear doctrine this week. “We will not be intimidated, no matter what is trumpeted around,” Baerbock said. …
Putin’s increasingly belligerent bluster, followed by the missile deployment, also shows how powerless the Kremlin leader really is when it comes to stopping the Western support for Ukraine. “For the first time since Prigozhin’s coup, Putin seems to have taken a hard hit,” says Eastern Europe expert Nico Lange. “Now is the right time to double down.” …
Putin’s reaction shows that releasing the longer-range weapons was exactly the right step.
One of the most obnoxious consequence of NATO is what you might call the Crazy Girlfriend Effect. Many European countries and no few German politicians, secure behind the American defensive umbrella, just revel in their bellicosity in ways they wouldn’t if they actually bore direct responsibility for their own security. They’re like a drunk girl at a bar who is confident that her boyfriend will handle whatever hostilities she provokes. It’s instructive to compare insane stories like this one to the tone taken by the regime-adjacent American press, which is often much more sober about the enormous risks we’ve assumed for absolutely no reason, even quoting experts who acknowledge that “we’re in an escalatory spiral” with “a dynamic of its own”.
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What an incredibly patronising article.
Well before even the first Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014, Ukraine had some of the best software coders in Europe.
Targeting systems on today’s missiles are input via a fill gun. So are the latest Ukrainian missiles. No specialist knowledge is required.
The UK hosts a training programme (Operation Interflex), which is supported by several allies. Over 45,000 Ukrainian personnel have been trained so far.
That is part of the security assurances provided to Ukraine in 1994 under the Budapest Memorandum, also signed by Russia.
Intelligence sharing is also part of those same assurances.
Could you please briefly summarise how you know this, it would give your statement great credibility.
When you say ‘Ukrainian missiles’ are you including ATACMS in that?
This information is all in the public domain:
https://www.mbda-systems.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/STORM-SHADOW.pdf
https://www.tapestrysolutions.com/2019/06/17/delivering-weapons-software-better-and-faster-with-an-agile-approach/
https://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fill.htm
That’s a 5 minute search…..available to all……..
https://qarea.com/blog/software-development-outsourcing-to-ukraine#:~:text=The%20software%20engineering%20workforce%20in,is%20expected%20to%20reach%20250%2C000.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-extend-training-programme-for-ukrainian-armed-forces-personnel-throughout-2025
https://policymemos.hks.harvard.edu/files/policymemos/files/2-23-22_ukraine-the_budapest_memo.pdf?m=1645824948
ATACMS can only be operated by US military personnel. The satellite guidance data are provided by DoD geospatial analysts, transferred from a station in Europe to a downlink station in Ukraine manned by US personnel. These are classified communications using National Security Agency cryptology which means only US personnel can touch them. The uplink to the missile is equally encrypted, meaning again that only US operators can handle the data. The mission is planned by the United States and the targeting data are loaded on to the missiles by active duty US military.
Similar restrictions will apply to Storm Shadow missile operation.
Intelligence sharing under the Budapest Memorandum, is, of course, achieved digitally.
Ukrainians are, likewise, well capable of programming fill guns, essentially encrypted USB sticks now, using that Intelligence.
All the rest is HGV driving, heavy lifting and the ability to press the correct buttons whilst wearing gloves.
Patently absurd, silly, to suggest that Ukrainians are not well capable of all that.
I am sure they are capable but I am equally sure they are not permitted to access top secret US satellite and programming data. That’s life.
Ukraine, of course, already has a detailed knowledge and, most particularly, geo-spatial data, intelligence required for targeting, of its own regarding Ukrainian territory and the Kursk region where its forces are now also operating.
Ukrainian recce drones are active over the front line area 24 hours a day.
https://kkrva.se/en/unmanned-systems-in-kursk-shaping-the-battlespace-and-denying-the-enemy-access/
Take it up with USA. And how much ground coverage does a single drone have with respect to a geostationary satellite?
Ukraine quite obviously has all its own geo-spatial data required for programming digital targeting information into its own missiles. It has been performing those tasks on its own account for many years now.
It is just plain dotty to suggest that it has any need for such data, readily available open source in any case, from outside agencies.
I think Russia first invaded “Ukraine” (which was a region never before a Country) circa 1768 – Russia-Turkish War. The invasion started with the Crimea and later took territory formerly part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
‘Ukrainian is a descendant of Old East Slavic, a language spoken in the medieval state of Kievan Rus’.
In the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, the language developed into Ruthenian, where it became an official language before a process of Polonization began in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.
By the 18th century, Ruthenian diverged into regional variants, and the modern Ukrainian language developed in the territory of present-day Ukraine.
Russification saw the Ukrainian language banned as a subject from schools and as a language of instruction in the Russian Empire, and continued in various ways in the Soviet Union
Even so, the language continued to see use throughout the country’
The Budapest Memorandum was signed on December 5, 1994 by the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Britain and the United States. Under the treaty Ukraine agreed to eliminate its nuclear arsenal, while Russia, the United States and Britain assured Kiev’s security.
On February 10, 2022 Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov after a meeting with his British counterpart Liz Truss recalled at a news conference that the Budapest Memorandum was accompanied by a declaration, also signed by France and Ukraine, which required that all signatories should refrain from any violations of the OSCE principles, including respect for the rights of ethnic minorities.
Ukraine has ignored this document to this day which makes the Budapest Memorandum null and void due to Ukrainian persecution od ethnic Russians and the Russian language as well as killing ethnic Russians in the Donbass and Odessa.
Are you suggesting that Russia has kept to it? Invading Ukraine is an act of War and we and others should retaliate. Russia now has N.Korean soldiers on Ukraine’s soil, is in control of Crimea. Is this really OK or in the spirit of the agreement?
Western governments and their presstitutes in the legacy media need their heads examining.
Their Russophobic actions are leading Europe to WWIII.
The evidence shows that Russia were deliberately “provoked” by the US and Nato and that Russia’s actions against Ukraine are more moral, more legal and more justified than the US/Nato similar actions against Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria etc. etc. etc.
Russia showed remarkable restraint for 8 years after the US and its vassal’s coup in Ukraine of 2014.
Entering Ukraine in 2022 to protect the ethnic Russians facing persecution and death at the hands of Ukrainian Banderites, neoNazis and ultranationalists was totally justified.
Western governments should look at themselves in the mirror and stop poking the Bear.
This is very much a COVID moment.
I see things spiralling out of control. I’m not clear who exactly is doing this and for what purpose. But I see it’s happening.
Someone(s) are pushing for an all out war and are one step away now from triggering a Peatl Harbour moment, the moment where the fight instincts of a hitherto reluctant population are awakened.
We can speculate who is driving this, we can speculate why. But what is actually happening is plain to see.
The point of the latest Ukraine escalation is to drive us into world war. Someone wants it and has taken us to the edge.
When all else fails, they take you to war…
Celente telling you how it is..
https://youtu.be/kTLIdBVw9Uk?si=Yr3WBkW2p2riCmVt
Biden is sowing trouble for Trump, salting the earth, planning to waylay his Presidency with foreign wars.
That’s the point.
Biden is dribbling into his Fruit Loops. This is the CIA/Fink/Obama/Clinton/Gates/Soros/Fauci machine trying to instigate operation ‘save ass’ by stoking a world war.
Perhaps a year on the front lines would cure their bellicosity; and fill their pants. Easy gambling with other people’s lives.
The goods news is that serving in the AFU would mean they would be lucky to survive a year.
The idea that President Trump is not party to all of the recent activity is, at best, unlikely.
This bears all the hallmarks of a seasoned negotiator.
Russian ammo dumps, command posts, commanders in Kursk taken out, non persistent anti personnel mines, deliverable by cluster munition, now available to the Ukrainians.
Anyone got any better ideas about how to get Putin to the peace negotiations table?
Hello…..hello……..?
Well if that is the case, the negotiation is going horribly wrong because Russia just unveiled its hypersonic missile and we have nothing like it (as far as we know) and nothing to stop it.
More likely we are in the hands of reckless, dangerous, stupid people intent on precipitating a global war.
The same kind of reckless, dangerous, stupid people that drove the world into a highly destructive, novel “pandemic” response over a not at all dangerous disease.
So no ideas whatsoever as to how to bring Putin to the negotiating table then.
Is there anyone else out there?
Lobbing bombs into Russia, definitely not the way.
Ignoring Putin’s openly communicated red lines, definitely not the way.
The fact is all the people who have been pursuing and encouraging open confrontation and war with Russia have a lot to answer for because the longer it has gone on the worse rhe negotiating position has become. And for many of us that was clear and anvious from the start.
Digging deeper and deeper into the same hole is just plain stupid.
You will see.
I concur except replace “stupid” with “evil”.
Yes I have.
Mr Zelenskyy picks up the phone, calls Mr Putin and says: Let’s talk about a ceasefire and peaceful resolution.”
In fact the Turkish Government brokered exactly that situation 2 years ago, both sides initialled an agreement and then the USA sent Boris Johnson as their emissary to torpedo the deal by promising money and weapons so the Ukraine could “win”.
And so – we are where we are.
Somebody walks into your house, armed, in the middle of the night.
You are there with your family. You can hear the intruder downstairs helping himself to all you possess.
Do you confront him, call the police or simply give him a shout and offer to lend a hand loading him up with the good stuff?
In actual fact, as it happens, Zelensky has pretty much offered to lend a hand.
‘For the first time since talks broke down in the spring of 2022, Zelensky is opening the door to direct negotiations with Moscow, without making the departure of Russian occupying forces from Ukrainian territory a precondition. Answering a Ukrainian journalist’s question on the relevance of a new peace summit, he said, “I think Russian representatives should be present.”
And still Putin will not negotiate.
But, eventually, he will.
You will see.
What’s the point?
Scorched-earth policy by the outgoing sore-loser Bidenistas who want to make sure the new Trump administration fails.
Not only do they want to hamper his proposed peaceful settlement in Ukraine, but are doing a number of things domestically whilst they still can to screwy things up further him.
Destructive insanity: according to the New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/21/us/politics/trump-russia-ukraine-war.html or, without paywall, https://archive.is/4G56L):
… U.S. and European officials are discussing deterrence as a possible security guarantee for Ukraine, such as stockpiling a conventional arsenal sufficient to strike a punishing blow if Russia violates a cease-fire.
Several officials even suggested that Mr. Biden could return nuclear weapons to Ukraine that were taken from it after the fall of the Soviet Union. That would be an instant and enormous deterrent. But such a step would be complicated and have serious implications.
The arrival of North Korean troops was an escalation – what was the point of that? Presumably to give Ukraine’s allies the excuse to use long range weapons. Does this author even think it acceptable for Ukraine to have allies, I wonder?
It’s noticeable that Putin’s many escalations, such as invading an independent sovereign nation, aren’t subject to the same approbrium.
This has always been about regime change in Russia. The war hawks in the USA know that Trump will broker a deal with Putin which will allow him to remain in power.
It seems to me, they are ratcheting up the conflict in advance of Trump’s Inauguration in the hope they may achieve their aim before end-January and are desperately trying to make brokering a deal impossible.
I hope Trump’s Protection Squad is top notch with trustworthy individuals because they will do anything they feel is necessary to achieve their aims.
What is Putin’s aim in Ukraine if it isn’t regime change?
Russia’s policy, since Gorbachev dismantled the Soviet Union was to stop NATO expanding Eastwards. The EU/NATO has systematically done just that and was actively trying to bring Ukraine into the group/s.
The US/EU supported coup, removing a democratically-elected, Russia-friendly Ukrainian President, in favour of an EU-friendly one led to the war: first the “invasion” of Crimea and then Putin’s incursion into Russian-speaking, ethnic Russian areas of Ukraine.
The war was provoked by the USA/EU/NATO and is being prolonged by the USA/EU/NATO.
There is no point other than fearmongering.