The BBC Claims Covid Vaccines Saved 120,000 U.K. Lives. Um, No
In an article this week highlighting side-effects resulting from the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine, BBC Health Correspondent Fergus Walsh states:
It is estimated that the Covid vaccine programme prevented over a quarter of a million hospital admissions and over 120,000 deaths in the U.K. up to September 2021.
These figures come from a UKHSA Vaccine Surveillance report published on September 30th 2021. As it happens, the UKHSA estimates were actually for England rather than the U.K. and the precise numbers were 261,500 hospitalisations averted in those aged 45 and over by September 19th 2021 and 127,500 deaths averted by September 24th 2021.
The estimates were calculated by applying vaccine effectiveness rates available at the time to known vaccination, hospitalisation and mortality data. With such models, the first question to ask is whether the results pass a basic plausibility test. Let’s see.
In the first nine months of 2021, the ONS reports about 60,000 Covid-related deaths in total. If we believe vaccination prevented 127,500 deaths, then without vaccination there would have been nearly 190,000 deaths in that period.
In the first nine months of the pandemic before vaccination (i.e., March to November 2020), the ONS also reports about 60,000 Covid-related deaths. In other words, if vaccination prevented 127,500 deaths, then without vaccination the claim is that we would have seen three times as many deaths in the nine months post-vaccination as in the nine months pre-vaccination. Given that vaccination was rolled out during a period when Covid deaths were already decreasing following the huge infection wave at the end of 2020, that is more than a stretch – it is simply implausible
Consider further that we know that a large proportion of deaths in 2021 were actually in the vaccinated (the Vaccine Surveillance Report mentioned above reveals that in September 2021, for instance, only 21% of Covid-deaths were amongst the unvaccinated) and many more occurred early in the year before people had access to vaccination. That makes the potential pool of people whose lives might have been saved by the vaccine even smaller and the estimate of 127,000 deaths averted even less credible.
The problem with the UKHSA estimates is fairly obvious. The vaccine effectiveness rates they use relate to hospitalisation or death rates for the vaccinated relative to rates for those unvaccinated and not previously infected. For this and other reasons they dramatically overestimate the effect in real world populations in which significant proportions of people have immunity from a previous infection and in which (as we now know) vaccine effectiveness wanes rapidly over time.
There is another way to test the plausibility of the estimates quoted by the BBC. In January 2023, the UKHSA produced estimates of the expected number needed to vaccination (NNV) to prevent a hospitalisation or death. These were also modelled estimates, but in contrast to the earlier approach, they used updated vaccination effectiveness rates and, crucially, took account of the fact that effectiveness waned over time.
For the primary vaccination rollout, UKHSA reports NNV for hospitalisations but not for deaths (it published estimated NNV for deaths only for the booster period). I’ve taken the NNV to prevent a single hospitalisation for the primary vaccination programme and applied these figures to the total numbers vaccinated with two doses.
Note UKHSA provides separate NNV estimates for those “in a risk group” and “no risk group”, but equivalent vaccination numbers are not easy to identify for these separate categories. For this reason, I have used the reported NNV for both groups combined. I’ve also estimated hospitalisations prevented for those aged 40-plus rather than over-45s on which the 262,000 estimate was based. This is because the NNV is only reported for the whole 40-49 age group. Finally, my estimates go to the end of September, slightly longer than the period used by the UKHSA.
The NNV estimates indicate that just under 32,000 hospitalisations might have been prevented by vaccination by the end of September 2021. The (outdated) estimate reported this week by the BBC’s Fergus Walsh was eight times higher.
We can do a similar exercise for deaths prevented. For this we only have the NNVs reported by UKHSA for the 2023 booster programme. For hospitalisation, the NNVs are nearly three times higher in the booster period than for the primary dose (reflecting lower effectiveness of boosters). If we similarly assume the NNV to prevent one death was three times higher in the 2023 booster period, then we arrive at a figure of about 12,500 deaths prevented by the end of September 2021, just one tenth of the estimate reported by Fergus Walsh.
It is worth noting that the UKHSA still derives its NNVs from modelling and they may not reflect real-world population effectiveness. But at least the estimated numbers of hospitalisations and deaths prevented by vaccination are plausible in the context of actual data.
Presumably the BBC Health Correspondent is aware of the later UKHSA estimates of numbers needed to vaccinate. Why then is Fergus Walsh still quoting estimates of hospitalisations and deaths prevented by vaccination that are not only implausible but also way out of date?


David Paton is Professor of Industrial Economics at Nottingham University Business School. He tweets as @CricketWyvern.
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Safe and Effective isn’t a lie…
It’s two lies.
This is surely a limited hang-out. Focused only on AZ and acknowledging only ‘hundreds’ of adverse reactions.
They also conveniently forgot to discuss that when you discard medical ethics and subvert informed consent, then every jab harm is state-sanctioned assault or manslaughter in the extreme (and so far unacknowledged) cases.
Rachel Reeves’ “Bank Economist” Myth Busted
Breaking News from Guido, the tea girl has been exposed.
https://order-order.com/2024/10/24/rachel-reeves-bank-economist-myth-busted/
No great surprise given that she is about to torpedo the economy with her massive tax raid next week and yet somehow thinks there will be growth. Added to Ranting Rayner’s trade unionist takeover of the workplace costing companies – and therefore the workers that they claim to be protecting – £5billion a year it doesn’t seem long before we will be heading into a recession. The May elections are looking more interesting every week given that Labour has lost every council by-election since the GE.
News flash. There will be no growth, and yes the May elections will be interesting, especially in the red wall.
Reading Guido’s article earlier just made my day! Am trying to imagine 2TK’s facial expression if he gets asked why he has a liar/ fantasist [?] as his Chancellor. Peevish won’t begin to describeit. Get the popcorn [that’s of course if anyone has the guts for it]. GB News and Tom Harwood, Farage, the Mogg?
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We won’t have the money for popcorn.
But plenty left over for slavery reparations!
Modern people want reparations for times past? I want reparations for the deaths in the British Navy stopping slavery! Deaths, loss of limbs etc, my forebears got them all!
Ah yes, Fergus Walsh and BBC.
This reminds me of a true story from Ceausescu’s Romania: in the 1980’s there were serious food shortages and basic food such as bread and milk were rationed.
The government came up with a fantastic idea: this was all part of their “healthy eating” initiative and it was actually beneficial for the general population.
You see, guys, for example milk is quite unhealthy!
The BBC is not quite there yet, but they will be soon enough.
https://thenewconservative.co.uk/britain-crying-out-for-a-thatcher/
Frank Haviland reflecting on the shoddy bunch of non tories that chased in the leadership election.
Quality as usual from Frank although he sorely upsets with this throw away garbage…
“God I miss Boris Johnson! Sure, he was full of shit, but at least he knew how to flog it!”
Still, he makes up for this calamity…
“Maggie swept to power back in 1979, grabbed the country by the scruff of the neck and gave it a damned good shake! Something similar needs to happen now, and Westminster would be a good place to start. And yet, those searching for Thatcher’s second-coming in the Palace of Westminster’s Central Lobby may need to wait a while. Her legacy lives on, but her reincarnation is missing in action. It’s not the Tories, nor even Reform UK I daresay Starmer fears. It’s still Thatcher herself; a woman so indomitable, her portrait had to be removed to stop Sir Keir’s arsehole falling out every time he minces beneath it.”
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Aren’t there serious repercussions for disseminating vaccine disinformation? Shouldn’t the BBC be reported to someone?
Saved from what? The fake virus? The fake dead counts? What about the dead post every major stab progamme and the dead from SADS, aggressive cancers etc.??
150 K dead post stabs. 500 K to 1 million in the US. Millions injured, cancer, blood disease, heart disease etc now rampant.
Death and injury rate at ~2-8% in every single country that stabbinated. In Africa and elsewhere where there was little stabbination, we have few deaths and injuries, no issues with ‘Rona’…..query me that Fergie boy.
A good analysis of it. That article was listed in today’s “News round-up”, and as it wasn’t in the Telegraph(!), I read it. Looking on the bright side, it does exist & is published by the BBC. I guess that is progress, but observe the choice of weasel words all over the place. E.g. the use of the term “estimate” without explanation of it’s veracity. 10% accurate, perhaps, or 50%, or whatever?
It’s reference to the solicitor Sarah Moore was interesting, especially the fact that the damages payment has been frozen since 2007, thus not linked to inflation at all.
Why can no area of government publish actual figures. Whether is is deaths by or with Covid or immigration they use surveys, models snd estimates.
Government activities should produce real hard data as a by product of their normal operations. That they font leads to the reasonable conclusion that all government agencies are out of control.
Coronavirus 2, like other corona and influenza viruses, is seasonal, arriving at the start of Winter, peaking during Winter then declining as Spring approaches to a very low incidence during the Summer.
The mRNA snake-oil roll-out started around February/March 2021 just as the seasonal decline of the COV 2 started, so decline in infections/disease were naturally in decline and would have declined anyway without the so-called vaccine as they did in the Spring of 2020.
BBC = pathological liars.
When will these discussions end? Mortality data from bordering countries show major differences in the March/April/May timeframe of 2020, a clear indication there was no virus spreading around the world: there was only the WHO declaration of a global pandemic on 11th March 2020, requiring the health systems of all countries to use a fraudulent test to declare someone as infected, and subsequently treat that ‘infection’ with ‘wide-spread experimental and high-dose administration of potentially lethal drugs’, no matter what symptoms that person had. As Denis Rancourt (https://denisrancourt.ca/) and his colleagues clearly demonstrate from detailed analyses of mortality data from up to 125 countries, all the excess deaths in the period 2020 to 2023 were due to the actions of public health establishments and their agents. They calculated the global number of excess deaths due to the pandemic declaration to be 31 million, of which 17 million were due to the Covid ‘vaccinations’. When will the responsible politicians and health establishments at last be charged for their obvious crimes? Probably never, because the ‘pandemic’ was clearly orchestrated from on high. On the other hand, there are perhaps cracks in the protective coating of the protagonists: two Dutch lawyers are attempting to… Read more »
And the deaths continue at 10% greater than before, and rising. So they have changed the method of calculation so that this doesn’t show! They know, but lie and lie and lie!
What about the 3,200+ deaths (probably x10 under estimated) and the 500,000 injuries (probably between x10 and x100 underestimated) caused by these jabs? So that could be up to 32,000+ vaccine deaths and 5,000,000+ injuries against 32,000 estimated hospitalisations and 12,500 deaths prevented. BTW I’ve used MHRA figures which they stopped publishing ages ago so the number of deaths and injuries are probably even higher by now. And do we really trust the assumptions made by the ONS?
Obviously BBC Verify checked the numbers before publication 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Marianna Spring doesn’t appear to recognise the truth!
You would have thought that health agencies would be interested enough in a new medical technology to record actual rates of hospitalisation and deaths in the vaccine recipients as compared to the control group of unvaccinated. Unfortunately they don’t appear to have the same enthusiasm for such scientific discovery, as they had for testing and recording cases of asymptomatic Covid.