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huxleypiggles
1 year ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/03/courts-open-24-hours-crack-down-rioters-police/

Why did not the same decencies apply to the far left?

Echo, Echo, Echo.

Claphamanian
Claphamanian
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

The overburdened criminal justice system mysteriously has resources to open 24 hours, like an old fashioned corner shop. If only that could be applied to the legions of shoplifters or, even better, to provide justice for women victims of violence.

To make room for these convicted rioters, Timpson will have to clear out the jails of even more of the persons who are not supposed to be there – the criminals who are to be persuaded that crime does not pay, despite their experience that it clearly does. An experience reinforced by their very early release.

Free Lemming
1 year ago
Reply to  Claphamanian

Here’s the thing with certain types of shoplifting: a fair trade is the exchange of one thing for another, with both things being traded deemed to be of equal value. Now, when powerful corporations are charging £1 for a plastic bag, £2 for a loaf of bread, £2 for six eggs, £8 for a bit of steak, £5 for ten screws etc, who’s stealing from who? Because, very clearly, the tacit agreement of a fair trade has been broken. Big corporations are now p*ssing down on us saying “I’ll trade you my grain of rice for your cow”, and they do this with the full support of the state which hangs the threat of imprisonment if you don’t hand over your cow for their grain of rice. We’ve been conditioned into believing that paying for, say, only four of the five items we need, is theft, and we do this while knowing full well we’re being robbed blind by greedy corporation’s; I don’t consider that as theft at all, I consider that as a rebalancing of the exchange.

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Aren’t consumer goods relative to income as cheap as they have ever been?

Baldrick
Baldrick
1 year ago

Until when you retire, then your in trouble.

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  Baldrick

Doesn’t that rather depend on your personal circumstances. My point is that as far as I know, consumer goods are cheaper than ever if you look back through history. They could be cheaper but firms would make less profit and less able to distribute dividends and achieve share value growth which benefit investors like pension funds, and less able to invest in R&D to improve products and processes which benefit consumers. Capitalism isn’t perfect and crony capitalism is not ideal, but I don’t think stealing is the answer – the costs are just passed on to other consumers, or staff in lower wages.

DS99
1 year ago

Depends how you are defining cheaper – when I think back to the one solid, sturdy washing machine that my mother had almost my entire childhood (and I’m from a big family) with the several mid range not so solidly built ones that I have been through in my long marriage – it begs the question, are they really cheaper?

Re theft – I agree with you. Society breaks down pretty quickly if we all decide we’re entitled to grab things without paying for them.

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  DS99

I agree about the washing machine if you add in a notional value for not having to buy new ones periodically- I hate shopping!

For a fist full of roubles

These days people buy things on the basis of “want” not “need”. The corporations are busy inventing new must have bells and whistles that don’t change the utility of an object but simply offer things that you never missed.
How many of us are seduced into buying a product because it has features we never knew we needed and then fail to use.
I use a phone primarily to communicate. I find having a decent camera on it useful. I do not need all the seductive features that so-called AI offers. Smart is not required as I rely on myself for the smart stuff.
My wife uses her washing machine on the same program all the time..
Our TV is only used on four of the hundreds of channels available.
My radio is tuned to one station and stays there all the time.
I watch programs as they are broadcast and look forward to the next episode of a series, rather than streaming and binge watching.
I could go on – yes, you do they chorused. Sorry but when you get old all you have left are your memories because most other bits are failing.

transmissionofflame
1 year ago

All very good points though in theory some people do value all of that fancy stuff

For a fist full of roubles

I suspect that many people value them because the advertising suggests they should.

transmissionofflame
1 year ago

Undoubtedly
I think some people enjoy shopping, looking for features, thinking they are buying something superior- I guess it fulfils a desire

Jon Garvey
1 year ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Hmm – the problem with that is that the cost falls not on the wealthy, who raise the prices, but on those poor punters who do not steal but have to pay for what you take.

Free Lemming
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

I guess I’d argue that’s a symptom of the manufactured chasm that divides the elites and the people. That so many of us reel in horror at the very thought of an attempt to rebalance the books is yet another symptom – a psychological one, again manufactured by the elites so that we passively accept what they tell us we must. And, just to be clear to everyone, I’m talking about paying less for a set of items of need, I’m not talking about not paying at all or not paying for items that are not needed.

Anyway, I knew it would be a highly contentious post, and it’s not like I don’t understand the arguments against the post (yours is the most compelling), it’s just that I believe the unwritten contract of a fair trade has, like many other things we now simply accept, been ripped up and burnt by a tier of society that holds the people in contempt.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Claphamanian

Absolutely 👍

Claphamanian
Claphamanian
1 year ago

Fear and loathing of the white working class is palpable in the elite’s response to the unrest, says Brendan O’Neill in Spiked. As the vacuous designation ‘white’ was created by the political establishment as a counterbalance to BAME (now ‘global majority’), this is a beast of their own creation, one that can no longer be placated by the simulacrum of unity that is the state’s recovery strategy of ‘organised spontaneity’. A designation as worthless as the beads and trinkets that imperial traders once got native peoples to accept in exchange for their gold. And how odd that the ‘communities’ have leaders who, acting like colonial governors, are negotiated with by Westminster as if the latter were the imperial centre, whereas the ‘white’ community does not. In fact, the latter is not even treated a community, despite the fact that the other communities are overtly ethnic or religious. These clergy who appear as part of this recovery strategy are real pieces of work. Blind guides whose studied blindness refuses to see the warning in their own scriptures: a house divided against itself must fall – and great will be the falling of it. It’s not odd of the Almighty God-State to choose… Read more »

Free Lemming
1 year ago

“When you force people into a straitjacket of political correctness, they will soon try to struggle out of it. When you treat people’s anger over terrorism, crime and general social decay as an equally destabilising force, possibly as a more destabilising force, they will start to take offence. Grave offence. People are sick of being shut up. Of being called racist for questioning immigration policy, fascist for voting for Brexit, Islamophobic for opposing radical Islam, fearful for discussing knife crime.”

As much as I dislike Spiked, I’ve got to hand it to Brendan O’Neill on this one, he pretty much nails it. Well worth a read.

Claphamanian
Claphamanian
1 year ago

Britain is coming apart at the seams – Weeks of unrest have revealed tensions, anger and a collapse in social trust that can no longer be ignored, says Inaya Folarin Iman in Spiked.

The patchwork quilt of ‘communities’ evidently needs the attention of more seamstresses. Is this threadbare item no longer a comfort blanket?

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1 year ago

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Monro
1 year ago

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-prisoner-swap-terrorism-espionage-putin/33061336.html?utm_source=onesignal&utm_medium=pn-msg&utm_campaign=2024-08-03-Ominous-Implica What’s really going on? Russia considers both conventional and unconventional military means to be tools of national power and applies them in combination. It is the unconventional operations of the Russian special services that aim to set the conditions for the successful application of conventional military force. That those ‘unconventional military means’ have been repeatedly used in Western Europe is yet another wake up call to the deluded who believe Putin has no territorial ambitions for the ‘Union State’ of ‘Greater Russia’ than merely a few bits of Eastern Ukraine. And, far from mitigating such activity outside Russia, the August 1 prisoner swap could intensify it. ‘Putin has signaled “that he will reward those within the Russian security services willing to double down on war against [the United States] and Europe.” Alexander Clarkson, Kings College In 2006, Russia adopted a law empowering Putin to deploy the security services abroad to liquidate anyone Moscow deems an “extremist” or “terrorist.” ‘……the suspect shot Khangashvili from behind, firing two shots from a Glock 26 pistol equipped with a silencer. After the victim fell to the ground, Krasikov is accused of then shooting him in the head, killing him on the spot, before getting… Read more »

CGW
CGW
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

And Ukraine has its hit list on the horrifically disgusting Myrotvorets website, proudly displaying “Langley, VA, USA” at the top of each page, asking for information on the whereabouts of anyone listed on its “Purgatory” page, essentially any person who has somehow offended those in charge. The list not only includes people like Patrick Lancaster or Eva Bartlett who openly report on the truth in Ukraine, but also such personalities as Tulsi Gabbard, past US Member of Congress and presidential candidate. Victims it has successfully killed, e.g. Daria Dugina, the Moscow car bomb victim, have their photographs overwritten “Liquidated”.

Monro
1 year ago
Reply to  CGW

‘The Myrotvorets website is not connected to the Ukrainian government nor is it a “kill list.” The founder of the OSINT group, Bellingcat, Eliot Higgins himself recently criticized those who continue to misidentify Myrotvorets.’

‘”Myrotvorets is a Ukrainian government kill list” is rapidly becoming the most effective way to identify the dumbest people in this website.’

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Monro

Who said it is a government list on here. CGW certainly didn’t.
It is undoubtedly Ukrainian.

CGW
CGW
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

The Myrotvorets website shows close-up images of tortured, dead Russian soldiers, overwritten with the text “Death to the Russian Fascist Invaders and Occupiers”. The home page quotes former US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milley, saying “There should not be a single Russian who goes to bed without thinking whether his throat will be cut in the middle of the night.” The website identifies itself as the “Center for the Study of Crimes against the National Security of Ukraine”. Go to the Purgatory (Чистилище) page and the third person down, the 19-year old Kalinkin Kirill Alekseevich, has been liquidated – the photograph is marked Ликвидирован. And you defend this website and claim it has nothing to do with Ukraine?!

For a fist full of roubles

When I was young going to university was far less common and we got a £300pa grant to cover living costs. Most worked full time during vacations to generate extra cash, and in my case, to buy a motor bike.. I was a regular at Bernard Matthews’ turkey factory. We earned £10 per week. Not bad for a single chap but there were men who were supporting their family on that, and whose wives weren’t working because rural Norfolk didn’t have any opportunities locally. Recall that very few owned a TV. Most rented them. A car was totally out of the question and rural bus services were virtually non-existent except on market day to the local town. No-one rioted or complained about their lot. Such things were for the townies down South. But then, of course, people didn’t have their “misfortune” rammed down their throats by 24 hour news and social media and they made the most of their lives. And we survived the winter of ’63 without central heating, and were cut off for a week with no power for days on end. Thank goodness for coal and coke; Mum cooked all our meals using pans on the open… Read more »

marymax
marymax
1 year ago

Muslims have been responsible for a number of terrible atrocities in the UK, worst of all perpetrated in the name of their religion. The Southport attack raised the question in many peoples minds as to whether the attacker was a Muslim. We were fed the information that the attacker had been born in Cardiff and was therefore a second-generation immigrant. This did not, and still does not, answer the question.
Unfortunately, the rioters’ behaviour has completely occluded any rational discussion of what they probably, and quite reasonably, given the history of such acts, suspected.

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago
Reply to  marymax

Strangely, the terrorist coward appears to be from the Tutsi Elite tribe of Rwanda, majority Catholic it seems, the same as Rwanda’s dictator Kagame. Of course he may well have secretly converted to Islam, which may come out later.

The media keep giving lip-service to the three children he murdered, while neglecting his attempted murder of 10 other victims. They immediately trotted out the Bog-Standard “Mental Health” Excuse for this carefully-planned terrorist attack, so the public have good reason to be suspicious of his motive.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago

https://unherd.com/2024/08/how-britain-ignored-its-ethnic-conflict/

A dreary article saying very little of value in an extremely convoluted manner and which amazingly misses the central issue behind the current disturbances – the British people have had enough.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/08/02/keir-starmers-two-tier-tyranny/

More garbage.

Far Right, far right, far right…blah, blah, blah.

It might help if Tom Slater actually checked out some alternative news sources.

Dinger64
1 year ago

Empty out the prisons of murderers,rapist,career criminals to make room for dissenters of the government narrative! Peachy, brilliant Starmer 👌🍑

huxleypiggles
1 year ago

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/08/02/britain-is-coming-apart-at-the-seams/

Fortunately, India Folarin Iman rescues Spiked with a well thought out article which addresses the real issue – multiculturalism or Islamification as it is becoming – has not and will not work and ordinary Brits have had enough. She only lapsed once to the lazy default of ‘far right.’

Far Right these days is a pejorative term used to describe English and British, patriotic, white working class and usually male.

I guess I am far right then.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  huxleypiggles

You are right in the sense that you are correct. I will take far right as emphatically correct. I was watching a documentary about The Who last night. One notable quote was from Roger Daltry who explained that in the community where he grew up fighting was the accepted way of solving disputes, but he had to change his ways because the other members of the group didn’t want to fight over creative differences. I am guessing that in some communities (in his case, East London) they are still wedded to this tradition and when confronted with aggressive, provocative policing still take the position of “Come and take me if you think you are hard enough”. Several of the videos did show this with a number of youths running up to the police line and gesturing to them to come and do it. I didn’t see any provocative banners, other than the cross of St George, the flag of this country. I didn’t see any Nazi symbology, possibly because that is actually far left. The most disturbing thing appears to be the copy-cat burning of vehicles. One thing that would simplify policing would be the blanket ban on all face… Read more »

Jon Garvey
1 year ago

I am intrigued that the footage suggests it’s the copy-cat burning of a vehicle, ie enough to provide press photos, rather than trashing the whole street-full. And it’s usually, strangely, done by all black balaclava-clad “pros” working as a team, and not by people in Manchester United shirts and shorts. And it’s always done where MSM photographers are, but the ubiquitous police aren‘t, which is probably why all the people under piles of policemen are pensioners and young girls, rather than masked people in black.

Funny how none of these organised far-right groups of thugs driving from town to town can be detected, infiltrated, prevented, or arrested, yet are known to be far-right rather than, say, Antifa or, worse, agents provocateurs.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/08/03/after-southport-the-rage-against-the-throng/

I am not a fan of Brendan O’Neill since he wrote robustly in favour of mandated “vaccines” for Care Home workers but this is a peach referencing his and Ranting’s taking the knee for BLM at the time of the murderous rioting in the USA following the death of the career criminal George Floyd…

The idea that we should take lectures on social disorder from a politician who bowed to an ideology whose street violence caused 25 deaths and a billion dollars’ worth of damage is laughably absurd.”

Fortunately, this couple of sanctimonious, treasonous thickos had a picture taken of this momentously stupid event which will rightly follow them to their graves.

Kneel and Ranting, together for ever. 😀 😀 😀