It’s Not ‘Advocate For’. It’s ‘Advocate’

Just because an error is common, doesn’t stop it being wrong. This is true of common mispronunciations such as ate (rhymes with met not mate, unless you’re American), privacy (doesn’t start like private but privet, again, unless you’re American), comparable (it’s not com-parable, it’s ‘comprable’), adversary (doesn’t sound like adversity) and so on. This is probably obvious to most readers.

What I want to complain about here is the increasing (it seems to me) use of ‘advocate for’ when what is meant is ‘advocate’.

I’ve tried to ignore it but the misuse seems to be growing.

I even found it in the Telegraph this morning, in an article by a member of the House of Lords, no less.

It’s easy to see how it’s happened. To advocate something means to recommend it publicly. Similar concepts are ‘speak for’ and ‘push for’ so we can see how the ‘for’ might have crept in.

Some people also sometimes say ‘advocate against’, which is an oxymoron, but if you think it’s valid you may think you need to be clear when one is in favour.

A person, such as a lawyer, can be an advocate for someone, meaning he represents him. So this is another possible origin of the error.

But it remains an error.

‘Advocate’ as a verb should never be followed by ‘for’. It’d be like a health officer saying “I recommend for brushing your teeth twice a day”. It’s plain wrong.

The Collins dictionary gives examples of correct usage for the verb:

Mr. Williams is a conservative who advocates fewer Government controls on business

…the tax policy advocated by the Opposition.

For the noun, an advocate is always an advocate of a cause, not an advocate for it. Collins again:

He was a strong advocate of free market policies and a multi-party system.

As noted above, it is valid to say that someone who represents a person a group is an advocate for them, in the sense of acting on their behalf. But that’s the only time ‘for’ should appear with ‘advocate’.

I’d like to be able to tie this to some general decline in standards attributable to wokery or such like. And maybe there is some connection to a decline in proper education and journalistic standards. But it may also just be one of those things, an error that has become so common even writers and editors who should know better start to forget it’s an error.

So this is my little protest, which I trust everyone will now read and, having done so, resolve never to do it again.

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huxleypiggles
1 year ago

Blimey Will you have opened a can of worms with this one.

How about :

Swap out.

Its opposite, swap in, never appears.

Change up, again, change down never appears.

As a watch fan I follow a few youtubers who discuss watches where the worst of these crimes against language occur, although the trend is spreading like a bloody virus.

There are other horrors in a similar vein but at this moment I cannot bring them to mind. I’m sure other DS people will help out.

NickR
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

People saying “haitch” when they mean “aitch”.

David101
1 year ago
Reply to  NickR

Yes, I hear this increasingly nowadays – It appears that the pronunciation of “h” as “haitch” is being passed down to kids even by their teachers who quite incredibly are unaware of the correct pronunciation!

Prickly Thistle
Prickly Thistle
1 year ago
Reply to  David101

And hard “g”, Drives me potty.

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Do you follow Archie Luxury that Auzzy dude, he is funny.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

Jody at ‘Just One More Watch.’ The best watch reviewer on YouTube by a mile. Sadly, Jody is old enough to know better.

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

Thanks for the link Ron, I will look him up.

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

My collection is not that expensive, the most valuable one I have is a Tag Hauer Carrera automatic day & date. Was around 1200 new. The rest are in their hundreds down to about £40. I also got a Hamilton automatic and criticised Lewis Hamilton because he wanted rights to that name. Hamilton Watch Company have been around since 1892 FFS…..What a wan@er!

David101
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Don’t you mean he’s “opened-UP” a can of worms?

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  David101

Silly me. 😀😀😀👍

Grim Ace
Grim Ace
1 year ago
Reply to  David101

No. Open is enough. Do we open down? Down open?

JohnK
1 year ago

Is it a sloppy linguistic mistake, or deliberate obfuscation? Take your pick.

blunt instrument
blunt instrument
1 year ago
Reply to  JohnK

I’m fairly sure we have an instance of the latter in the use of conspiracy instead of conspiracy theory.

transmissionofflame
1 year ago

I’m guilty of some of those Americanisms, must try harder

My pet hates: “Train station” instead of “Railway station” and the increasing tendency to hyphenate phrasal verbs

huxleypiggles
1 year ago

Why have footpaths transmogrified in to footways?

Aaargh!

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Not only that, since “covid” they have changed from footpaths to jungle paths as the council seem to have given up on “countryside management”.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago

Oh, very cutting tof. 👍😀😀

Grim Ace
Grim Ace
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

That is actually correct civil engineering terminology: road way, rail way, foot way.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Grim Ace

Footway might be engineering terminology but I grew up with footpaths. That’s good enough for me.

These are the deliberate ever so slight alterations to our language which creep in and are intended to alter society.

As the supermarket says…

‘Every little helps.’

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

We had a Bridal path on our village.

Paul Chandler
Paul Chandler
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Not an alteration; in fact there’s a good reason for the distinction. FYI a footway runs alongside a carriageway and is part of the highway, whereas a footpath is just what it says!

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago
Reply to  Grim Ace

Or the ancient “holloway”, for “hollow way” or “sunken path”.

Marie R
1 year ago

I can’t stand “normalcy”. What happened to normality?

Jon Garvey
1 year ago
Reply to  Marie R

It was de-normalised.

David101
1 year ago
Reply to  Marie R

“controVERSy” or “conTROVersy”

GroundhogDayAgain
1 year ago
Reply to  David101

The latter. It really matters where you put the emphasis.

JASA
JASA
1 year ago

It’s contro versy from the Latin controversia (which has a long second ‘o’), which comes from the Latin controversus (again with a long second ‘o’), which ultimately comes from the Latin contra (against) and vertere (to turn). The important part of the word is the contro meaning against (contra) and not the con, which in Latin means together. So it is not con troversy.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  David101

“controVERsial” or “conTROVersial”?

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago
Reply to  David101

Or “CONtroversy”

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago
Jon Garvey
1 year ago

Surely you’re overexaggerating the issue…

Marcus Aurelius knew

“I was sat on the bus.”

“Who sat you there?”

“What?”

“Oh. You mean you were sitting on the bus.”

huxleypiggles
1 year ago

😀 😀 😀

Marcus Aurelius knew

“Safe haven.”

So a safe safe place, then?

Marcus Aurelius knew

Everything is “iconic” these days.

Marcus Aurelius knew

“Weather dependant”

Someone who is dependent upon the weather.

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago

Weatherly proud. League Of Gentlemen.

Marcus Aurelius knew

“It comprises of -”

“Nope. Stop there. It comprises.”

Ian Rons
Editor
1 year ago

Benjamin Franklin, in 1789:

During my late absence in France, I find that several new words have been introduced into our parliamentary language. For example I find a verb‥. from the substantive advocate; the gentleman who advocates or has advocated that motion‥. If you should happen to be of my opinion with respect to these innovations you will use your authority in reprobating them.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Ian Rons

Nice one Ian.👍

David101
1 year ago

Here’s another common, often overlooked one: The confusion of where to use the words “which” and “that”. For example, “The thing which annoys me most about my job is…” should be correctly: “The thing THAT annoys me most about my job is…”.

“Which” either occurs at the beginning of a question, i.e. “Which of these would you like?”, or following a comma as the beginning a clause embedded in a sentence, i.e. “The teaching of basic literacy in schools, WHICH is the bedrock of modern civilization, has been undertaken for centuries”.

You could call it the wicked “which” of the West!

RogerB
1 year ago
Reply to  David101

I will quote Ernest Gowers (The Complete Plain Words): “There are still some people who try to insist that to use which or who in a defining clause is wrong, and that every such clause must have that. There is no justification for this, and there never has been”.

Look at Strunk and White’s example when advocating your view: “The lawn mower, which is broken, is in the garage”. It’s as cack-handed as “the pen of my aunt”. Strunk and White’s Elements of Style is regarded as an authority by the USA, and recommends “which-hunting”. Ha ha. They are largely to blame.

For a fist full of roubles

My pet hates du jour is “return back to” and bought used as the past tense of bring (or should that be bing, for which I would blame Microsoft and their irritating search engine.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago

“return back”

I was just coming to that – aaagh!

GroundhogDayAgain
1 year ago

Brought is pp of bring
Bought is pp of buy.

Will, damn you! You knew precisely how to create a dispute between previously pleasant commenters.

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago

I think Gaza did that.

Norfolk-Sceptic
Norfolk-Sceptic
1 year ago

You could have return right back, to the very beginning, though, for emphasis.

AnnExpat
AnnExpat
1 year ago

Using the logical fallacy “begs the question” thinking it sounds fancier than “raises the question”.

GroundhogDayAgain
1 year ago

Ooh, Will. You hit a nerve with this cantankerous bunch of lovely pedants. We feel your pain. We each have our bugbears.

Jon Mors
Jon Mors
1 year ago

Saying ‘disinterested’ to mean ‘uninterested’. It’s a shame because ‘disinterested’ is a useful word; more precise than ‘unbiased’.

Norfolk-Sceptic
Norfolk-Sceptic
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon Mors

There is also a shortage of it in the Political Bubble.

Grim Ace
Grim Ace
1 year ago

Thank you, Will. I will advocate this in future
My other hate is ‘bored of’. It’s bored with!

johnbuk
johnbuk
1 year ago

I’m worried about flammable objects, or is it inflammable objects? Either way in a relative’s apartment block one of these options is not allowed on the stairs!!

Free Lemming
1 year ago

Read this just as I was tucking into my scone (rhymes with pull the other one, not overblown). Will, you’ve let me down with this load of sh*te.

NickR
1 year ago

The misuse of reflexive pronouns, think Joan Armatrading, me myself I. The worst culprits are telephone sales people saying things like “is that ok with yourself?”

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  NickR

I had to call the surgery today to arrange a check up. This is how it went…

Hello. I’ve received a text asking me to call to arrange a check up. My date of birth is 01/01/01.

“Oh hello hux. You want an appointment?

Yes

Do you want Shingles?”

No. I definitely don’t want Shingles. It’s not top of my wish list.

“Oh.”

Are you asking me about an injection?

“Yes. Do you want the Shingles vaccine?”

Absolutely no way do I want an injection.

“OK. I’ll make a note of that.”

After which I got the young lady back on track.

Anyway the good news is I have got an appointment in six weeks time. 🙃

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Such progress. Watch any old comedy from 90s to early 00s and people see the Doctor the same day, or get a home visit.

Marque1
1 year ago

Off of. Slither instead of sliver. Could of, etc.. Chewna. Aaaargh!

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Marque1

Oh yes.

The two that put my teeth on edge.

Dreadful, Dreadful, Dreadful.

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

I hear ‘my bad’ came from across the pond.

Marque1
1 year ago

An invite. Even supposedly edumacated writers are using this one.
Speak to myself? Only I can do that, you speak to me. Can I get a coffee?

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Marque1

😀 😀 😀

RogerB
1 year ago
Reply to  Marque1

And “disconnect” instead of “disconnection”.

TheBasicMind
1 year ago
  1. Who owns the language?
  2. Why?
  3. Will what they say to make that claim make any difference to how our language evolves?
  4. If the answer is “no” they don’t own the language and everything you have just said is utter pretentious nonsense.

And I say this as someone who as much as the next man is annoyed when the BBC put on youth programming with the clear desperation to demonstrate how “down with the street” they are by employing teen slang and patois.

lymeswold
lymeswold
1 year ago

“Premier League footballer scores solo goal during Beta Squad charity match with viewers left divided over their identity”

Alexander Boot’s recent rant about the ugly and confusing ‘singular they/their’ … http://www.alexanderboot.com/football-makes-you-go-trans/

Iain McCausland
Iain McCausland
1 year ago

How do we stamp out the misuse of ‘literally’ amongst young people in this country? Maybe some kind of grammar gulag re-education camp?

Prickly Thistle
Prickly Thistle
1 year ago

And “like” every other, like word.

Marque1
1 year ago

There is, “he/she went, no!’ All the lovely words in our language and they don’t know them. Furriners speak better English.
I hate Frank Spencer (I can’t remember the sods real name) and everyone,’ herASSing’ him. Makes my blood boil.

lymeswold
lymeswold
1 year ago

I’ve noticed on a couple of different podcasts Toby Young (of all people!!) saying nucular instead of nuclear. Goerge W. Bush used to do the same.

Norfolk-Sceptic
Norfolk-Sceptic
1 year ago
Reply to  lymeswold

It was, literally, in a Physics lecture that we were told that the details of nuClear Physics were unClear. 🙂

I found them to be more complicated than unclear, though appreciated the only joke available.

sskinner
1 year ago

Lived experience

beaniebean
beaniebean
1 year ago

I’ve come to expect so little of journalists that I cease to be shocked by their poor use of English. I am much more shocked by their even more obvious lack of intelligence!
Quite frankly I’m bored “of” their general ignorance which is sadly becoming the norm. It appears to be highly infectious and there’s no safe and effective remedy.
PS my error above was deliberate just in case it’s raising your hackles!

Jonathan M
Jonathan M
1 year ago

My pet hate is the use of likely (an adjective) in place of probably (an adverb).

Prickly Thistle
Prickly Thistle
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonathan M

I checked that one out the other day as Dot Wordsworth raised this subject. It is not actually incorrect, even if it does grate. Or even great, as many might say!