German Tourists Found Guilty of Insulting Christian Drosten on Camping Trip
One of the most picaresque, but in many ways telling, episodes of Germany’s Covid experience occurred on the placid shores of the idyllic Ellbogensee (Elbow Lake) in northeastern Germany. It was here, on June 25th 2022, that Maik S. and his wife Kathrin W., two vacationers from Berlin, had the surprise of their lives. By this time, most of the Covid measures which had severely restricted the lives of Germans or forced them to get vaccinated to enjoy basic liberties had been lifted, and there, standing right in front of them at their favourite campsite, was the very man whose supposed scientific authority had been so often invoked to justify those measures: none other than Germany’s ‘star virologist’ Christian Drosten.
“We were totally gobsmacked,” Kathrin told a court in the little town of Waren in April, “that this person was walking around the campsite without a hat pulled down over his eyes and sunglasses, without police protection”.
What happened then the couple has recounted to Uwe Krüger, a blogger who has covered the episode in far greater detail than any mainstream German media. According to the couple’s recollections, Maik’s first reaction was to take a photo and post it on a Telegram group, seeking confirmation from his friends that it really was Drosten. Later that evening, still evidently having trouble believing his eyes, he walked up to the man who looked for all the world like Christian Drosten, and the following dialogue ensued.
Maik: Are you Herr Drosten?
Drosten: Yes.
Maik: You dare to come to this campsite?
Drosten: Why not?
Maik: Because you’re a criminal!
At this point, Maik is supposed to have turned around to other campers and shouted, “Look here please people! That’s Herr Drosten: the biggest criminal who’s running around free in Germany!”
The couple’s description of the initial altercation is largely concordant with reports in the German press, except that according to the press reports Maik is also supposed to have called Drosten a “transhumanist” (sic.) and a “mass murderer”. The couple does not recall him having used the latter term. In any event, the other campers were apparently unmoved by Maik’s appeal, with one man, according to their recollections, just shaking his head and a woman responding that it was Drosten’s right to be there.
And that was the end of matters, until the next day, when, still per the couple’s recollections, their friend Franziska, who was vacationing with them, went up to Drosten to ask him how there could be video of him claiming that masks were ineffective in preventing COVID-19 transmission and yet, shortly thereafter, he would support a mask mandate. To this, Drosten is supposed to have responded, “You have rubbish in your head! Check your sources! You’re watching rubbish!”
When Franziska then noted that she works in a daycare centre and that all her colleagues have been constantly sick since they got vaccinated, Drosten is supposed to have responded, “That’s your fault, because you’re not vaccinated!” At this point, on the couple’s account, Franziska broke into tears and returned to her friends.
Round three would take place later that same day on the beach. On the couple’s account, this time it was Drosten who would go on the offensive, taking the initiative to come over to them and tell them that he was going to call the cops, since they had “traumatised” his child by calling him a “criminal” in the child’s presence. Drosten was vacationing with his then four-year-old son. But Maik and Kathrin and Franziska also had small children with them, and, on their account, while Drosten’s son appeared unfazed by the fracas, their own somewhat older children (eight- and 10-years-old respectively) were frightened by Drosten’s aggressive behaviour.
In any case, Drosten’s remark appears to have struck an unpleasant chord for Kathrin, since she proceeded to launch into a tirade about the effects of lockdown on children. “What?” she recalls saying, “Your child is traumatised? Our children are traumatised! My daughter didn’t get an end-of-school trip with her daycare group. They were suddenly kept in separate rooms.”
At this point, Maik decided to get in a blow, arguably a low one. “How are you able to do all that really?” he asked Drosten, “You don’t even have a real doctorate.”
The allusion was to the controversy over the validity of Drosten’s doctorate, which was driven by the investigations of Markus Kübacher, a specialist in cases of academic fraud, and which I have covered on the Daily Sceptic here. Not surprisingly, things appear then to have escalated between Maik and Drosten, and, after Kathrin advised Drosten to “piss off”, the group of vacationers decided to gather their things and move to another beach.
But Drosten did not “piss off”. Instead, on the couple’s account, he came running after them in his swim trunks. According to Kathrin, she now took out her cellphone and, pointing it at Drosten, warned him, “I’m filming you, Herr Drosten!”
This is perhaps why, per Krüger’s report, police would seize both Kathrin’s and Maik’s cellphones from them two weeks later, turning up at their trailer at six in the morning while the couple was still on vacation. At the same time, police raids were being conducted at both their apartment and Franziska’s apartment back home in Berlin.
For Christian Drosten did indeed call the cops, and police officers would already be waiting for the trio of Berlin vacationers when they returned to their trailer on that day in June 2022 on the shores of the Ellbogensee.
In April of this year, Maik and Kathrin were found guilty by the court in Waren of having “insulted” Christian Drosten. They were given “probatory fines”, meaning that if they do not commit any other ‘crimes’ in the year following the judgment they will not have to pay them. As the ostensible ‘main perpetrator’, Maik received the heavier fine.
Yes, proffering ‘insults’ is a crime under German law – which might lead one to believe that Germany must be the most polite, well-mannered country in the world.
It is not clear from the news reports whether the couple was charged under section 185 of the German Criminal Code – the, so to say, ‘simple’ insult statute – or section 188, which provides public figures special protection against ‘insults’ and which is commonly referred to in German discussions as the lèse majesté law.
It would appear that the vacationers were suspected of having committed lèse majesté against Drosten and that the initial investigation was conducted on this premise – hence, the police raids – but that they were ultimately only charged with ‘simple’ insult. This, at any rate, is what we can infer from the fact that, according to Krüger, the raids were ultimately found by another court to have been uncalled-for.
Moreover, the text of Germany’s lèse majesté statute requires that the insult be public or made in a public gathering, whereas Maik’s and Kathrin’s remarks to Drosten could not have been heard by more than a few other campers or beachgoers.
It is also worth noting that, according to Krüger, a specific charge of defamation, relating to Maik’s jibe about Drosten not having a real doctorate, was dropped from the indictment after the academic-fraud specialist Markus Kübacher sent two files worth of evidence to the prosecutor’s officer.
But perhaps the most obvious question which the episode raises is: why does Germany even have a lèse majesté law? In modern, liberal democracies, after all, public figures usually enjoy lesser protection against abuse, not greater. One need only think, say, of all the times Anthony Fauci is depicted as a criminal or a rat nowadays in social media (especially by Elon Musk).
Protecting the state against the citizenry is not a good look; and in the case of Germany’s ‘star virologist’ – who in Germany is often referred to rather as the country’s ‘state virologist’ [Staatsvirologe] – this appears to be precisely what is happening.
Translations by the author. Hat-tip to Stefan Homburg for the reference to Uwe Krüger’s blog post.
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He obviously wasn’t too worried about the danger the unjabbed couple posed to him if he went up to them with his son to have a go at them.
One can only be left wondering whether this man and all the covid scumbags like him will ever get their just deserves. I can almost understand why religions come up with horrible afterlives.
Blimey. I doubt I will ever go to Germany again but if I do, I will be careful not to say anything potentially insulting. Probably best to pretend to be mute! If anyone insults me, I shall be sure and report them to the authorities. I’m sad to say I have a relative in the German police – she was so proud to be accepted, I dread to ask her what they have her doing.
Though I dare say it very much depends on what the “insults” consist of, who is doing the “insulting” and who is being “insulted” – I imagine a bit like the way “hate speech” and “protests” are policed in the UK.
Not going to work. It’s not usually considered to be in the public interest to prosecute insults, ie, the routine action is to refer people to the option of filing a private lawsuit. Drosten presumably mobilized the government contacts he obviously has for a little bit of demonstative police action to detain ‘extreme right-wing’ Querdenker (out-of-the-box-thinkers, self-given name of the German Anti-Corona movement) from making a regrettable nuisance of themselves in public.
Semilegal surpise police raids are a typical tactic of the German police and inland secret service to ensure that dissidents don’t get too uppity wrt to trusting in their human rights.
lawfare plain and simple.
Yup that sounds about right
Not forgetting the kidnap of Reiner Fuelmich from a mexican airport and his rendition in handcuffs back to the Vaterland.
Reminds me of the Police raid of that German Doctor live on his Livestream in 2020. You see armed Police coming in behind him, is it normal for them to be armed like that when arresting a Doctor?
All German police officers always carry a pistol. They have more available, up to machine guns and APCs, if they want to make a show of it.
I think the same is true in France and Italy, and probably most other European countries. The UK is probably the exception here.
What percentage of the sheep will accept vaccines next time around? I have relations who don’t want to even discuss dangers of vaccines because they think doing so might risk them not getting their little lie on a sunbed in Spain.
Ah yes, I remember that. So little initiative. I myself got off the train in the south of France and walked across the border into Spain by a winding mountain footpath with my backpack. On the way I met a Korean gentleman who had been unable to fly home because of the pandemic and we had a good time together. This is the sort of experience that gives you things to remember decades from now. I feel sorry for the sheep who missed out on this type of thing.
That’s a brilliant story, Cirdan. And absolutely; we (my wife, our two kids and I) travelled all over Europe the whole time and had the most amazing experiences with like-minded people.
Still unjabbed. No “COVID tests”. Stuck our fingers up to the whole lot.
Both the best and worst of times.
Germany, a member of the wonderful EU, the home of free speech and justice.
“Germany, a member of the wonderful EU, the home of free speech and justice.”
And in the Roundup we have this:
https://thecritic.co.uk/the-fallacy-of-british-values/
Germany certainly seems to be reverting to type.
France appears to be getting close to imploding.
Italy is all over the place.
The Greeks couldn’t care less.
And the Brits, for now, are adopting the “Carry on and mustn’t grumble” attitude.
A nation’s values are inextricably linked to the nation’s views of the world and their conduct thereafter. It is difficult not to conclude that Germany is reverting to type.
Remember that it’s not long since the wall came down (1989), with East & West joining together again.
The ‘type’ of the present German ‘state’ (really more of a reservation) is ‘adulate everything America’ (Democrats only, obviously). This goes to the point that one of the parties of the present governing coalition (the FDP) keeps bringing up the idea of making English the official language of all German authorities to avoid unduly discriminating against
foreign invadersrefugees and asylum seekers.You mean creator of the EU…
But perhaps the most obvious question which the episode raises is: why does Germany even have a lèse majesté law? In modern, liberal democracies, after all, public figures usually enjoy lesser protection against abuse, not greater.
That’s because Germany isn’t a liberal democracy, obviously. It’s a party republic installed with military force and initially upheld by longtime military occupation and ordinary Germans must not do, say or even think anything which goes against this status quo and the prevailing narratives associated with it.
A law against insults? What is it with Germany? Even their ‘virtue’ is sinister. With only a sideways allusion to events almost 100 years earlier, they’re rather effective at swallowing whatever garbage the state feeds them. Herr H got in legally. Then the majority followed and worshipped.
Well as I don’t plan on being in Germany any time soon: Mr Drosten you are a corrupted, fragile snowflake who in my opinion has a lot to answer for the authoritarian fiasco we all live through. You made a huge error in resorting to the law. Your proximity to the Chinese virology labs is fishy at best, criminal at worst. You’re at least as culpable as Fauci and you’re a coward for using the state apparatus to prosecute a private argument.
There, did I burn my bridges yet?
Can I please second all of that and also burn the bridge to Germany – without having to come up with my own, equally well-written prose?!
You’re at least as culpable as Fauci and you’re a coward for using the state apparatus to prosecute a private argument.
This isn’t really a private argument in Germany. The official standpoint wrt people opposed to Corona measures is that these are politically right-leaning to right wingers with close ties to the far right, ie, Neonazi, scene, and thus, enemies of the state which are to be prosecuted for their transgressions against the free and democratic fundamental order (freiheitlich-demokratische Grundordnung). Drosten was just doing what each virtuous and upright German citizen is supposed to do, namely, notify the authorities about such events so that they can be properly invesitgated (ie, police raids to confiscate computer, phones and similar device which could have been used to store Really Illegal Fascist Stuff®).
” the other campers were apparently unmoved by Maik’s appeal”
2020 obviously didn’t wake enough people up leaving fertile ground for whatever they’re cooking up. Once the WHO treaty is in place.
Regarding his complete 180 on masks with no explanation, are there no video interviews because Fauci is not hard to find pushing three masks etc.
Fauci, Vallance, Whitty, Van-Tam are all on video stating that masks are not needed. In the case of the UK Three they all turned round and stated they are a must. They have never explained where the science is behind all that.
I also recall the G7 meeting where the Good and The Great all posed with masks on and partied the night away immediately after the photoshoot and got pissed as ferrets in a sack without masks.
Can we throw them all in a big sack and chuck it off a canyon? I don’t want scum in my drinking water so drowning is no good.
As to Fauci, Senator Paul brought him up on masking (Fauci was wearing two for the Senate Hearing) and showed it was all just theatre. Fauci disgusts me. Read RFK’s book and within 30 pages you will know why.
If Drosten insulted them, no charge, nothing to see, move along. We see it today all across the world. Lee Rigby is almost beheaded, not much happens. A lifelong criminal and drug addict dies from the drugs he has taken, when he is arrested, and a tidy sum is handed to a bunch of Marxists who are, in turn, insulted when someone says “All Lives Matter”. There is no doubt whatsoever that Drosten, Whitty, Fauci, Vallance, Van-Tam, Johnson, Hancock, Starmer are guilty of murder. They are all guilty of insulting our intelligence. They are all guilty of causing irreparable damage to society. Guilty of child abuse. Guilty of mental torture. Guilty of abusing public office. A couple go on holiday and they become criminals. Two women sit on a bench to have coffee. A couple walk on a mountain and become criminals because they were seen by a drone. Women were dragged by their hair from a bandstand because they are criminals. Yet Drosten et al are innocent as a babies bottom and smell of roses. Sums up why we need Reform. Reform represents justice, it represents the right to fight back. Voting for anything else is accepting you are… Read more »
Well I’m glad Tice is not at the helm being mates with Hancock, then going off to Ukraine. Pushing us into war is not for the security of the UK, they are damned reckless.
I would put Heritage first, followed by Reclaim, then UKIP. But since they don’t have a foot in, the only credible one left is Reform. Farage is no Steyn, Nigel said he’s not a “team player”…..But he is the most feared second to Trump and he is the “Bad boy of Brexit”.
“Protecting the state against the citizenry is not a good look…”
The Fascist mantra: everything within the State; nothing outside the State; nothing against the State.
Germany, change, spots, leopard… make a sentence.
People still think Fascism was defeated in 1945 – have they been looking at the behaviour of the British and European Governments and the Governments of other ‘free’ democracies, or have they been in a coma?
UK, USA, Soviet Russia, conquer, Germany, (re-)create, party, state, change, spots, leopard.
Try a sentence with that, or, to quote the former CDU politician and German home secretary Wolfgang Schäuble: “We [Germany] have never again been sovereign since 1945”. If ‘Fascism’ wasn’t defeated in 1945, it must have been because the fascists won. Coincidentally, a communist would agree with that on the grounds that fascism is just the final stage of the development of capitalism. That’s why the Berlin wall was officially called Antifaschistischer Schutzwall (antifascist bulwark).
They have slowly given up the facade of democracy after the Wall came down.
The laws which are employed here came straight from the Allied Control Commission, have been in force since shortly after the war and were meant to ‘safeguard’ against a Nazi-renaissance. But with “Nazi” redefined as “whoever doesn’t agree with me”, as usually employed in contemporary American domestic political ‘discourse’, they frequently come in very handy.
The so-called German government can frequently do what the US democrats would only like to be able to do (or can only do illegally, cf, the recent NRA in lawsuit).
Insults are good, if they lead to crimes against humanity. These people knew what they were doing was wrong, yet they did it, no questions asked. All through history people taking Liberty from people met with justice in the end. Or, as Santayana said, we are doomed to repeat.
I’m only surprised he hasn’t got a professional protection squad. Obviously think’s he’s untouchable.