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Just Stop it Now
1 year ago

Next meeting Tuesday 11th

Free-Thinkers-libertarians-dissenters
NeilofWatford
1 year ago

This month, as I usually do, I sent the DS a link for this page from Camera.org who analyse media bias against Israel.
This month, as usual, it was ignored. When I scan the above links, I wonder why, being as how the DS confronts misinformation, there is no interest in this key driver of British antisemitism.
The link shows the last 12 months, the BBC reported just 6 out of 2517 terror attacks in Israel.
I thought some might be interested.
Am I wrong?
https://camera-uk.org/2024/06/07/bbc-news-coverage-of-terrorism-in-israel-may-2024

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

A while back, I sent the DS News Round-Up the links to four articles on different topics, which were all ignored, but I didn’t complain about it.

It’s up to the Editors, who have no obligation to feature the favourite themes of readers.

CGW
CGW
1 year ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

I am not quite sure why anyone would use BBC as a source for any information: how often has BBC reported on the dangers of vaccination (all vaccines, not just against Covid), on the usefulness of increasing CO2 content in the atmosphere as opposed to the idiocy of ‘Net zero’ and its accompanying destruction of western economies, on the serious dangers of uncontrolled immigration, on the corruption of our society and parliament by organizations such as WEF, EU and countless NGOs, on how the ‘Mother of all Parliaments’ has become a secure employment office for those only interested in themselves and not in the people they supposedly represent, on the serious mental degeneration of the current US President (the guy with his finger on the button), on the extreme danger of allowing a rogue and corrupt country (Ukraine) to fire long-range western weapons at a nuclear power, and so on and so forth. BBC could also point out how international diplomacy has become a distant memory, an antiquated and unfashionable method of conflict resolution. Nobody in the west wants to discuss the situation in Ukraine with Putin – only with the past, and now illegitimate president of that country. Similarly, nobody in… Read more »

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago
Reply to  CGW

But not everyone is interested in foreign wars thousands of miles away.
We in the West have more pressing problems of our own.

CGW
CGW
1 year ago
Reply to  Heretic

You are 100% correct on both counts, in my opinion, but UK is sadly paying very large amounts for both those wars.

pamela preedy
pamela preedy
1 year ago
Reply to  CGW

I was with you for most of the first paragraph, but blaming Ukraine for getting itself invaded by the rogue & corrupt Putrid is ridiculous. So is the suggestion that Israel should enter a ‘discussion’ with hamas: terrorist organisations, especially muzlim ones, are not known for their positive attitudes to diplomacy. Numerous efforts have been made over decades by internationally-known politicians and national leaders to broker a peace deal between Israel and those who claim that the land is theirs – with no lasting effect whatsoever. Apparently, you have ‘no idea’ why DS and its readers support Israel and not hamas. Here are some suggestions for enlightenment: 1) Jewish people, having suffered the worst mass genocide in history, deserved and continue to deserve their own country. 2) On 7/10/23 hamas launched the atrocious attack on Israel, knowing for certain that there would be retaliation. And they got it. Serve them right. At least the Israelis give notice of counter-attacks, and allow time for ‘civilians’ to flee. How many of those ‘civilians’ hate hamas and how many support them is an interesting question. 3) There are approx. 52 to 56 izlamic countries(depending on sources) in the world. If so-called Palestinians have… Read more »

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  pamela preedy

I disagree with your views on Putin. The problems in Ukraine have been instigated by NATO who broke the Minsk agreement of 2014.

pamela preedy
pamela preedy
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Putin is a vile murderer as you very well know, Minsk or no Minsk. He just gets others to do his dirty work with poison, as happened here in the UK.

The sooner he’s dead the better.

pamela preedy
pamela preedy
1 year ago
Reply to  pamela preedy

Downticks from the creepy anti-Semites who infest the DS comments.
Predictable.

CGW
CGW
1 year ago
Reply to  pamela preedy

Putin had two – in my opinion, completely justifiable – reasons to invade Ukraine: firstly, to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO which would enable USA to place nuclear missiles aimed at Moscow all along the 2,000km border to Russia and, secondly, to remove the neo-Nazi elements in Ukraine’s government and military, responsible since the ‘Maidan coup’ in 2014 for shelling their own citizens in eastern Ukraine, many of whom are of Russian descent, with the obvious intent of setting up an ethnically exclusive Ukraine.

Although there is no doubt of the genocide against Jews in WWII, I am not sure why that means today’s ‘Jews deserve their own country’, especially when they are currently committing a similar crime against the Palestinian people. Even the BBC states the Jews were a clear minority in Palestine when the Zionists first decided to aim for that country at the end of the 19th century – well before WWII. 120 years later and it is the Palestinian Arabs who have to fight to have access to their own country.

A diplomatic solution to this never ending problem is essential and the result must inevitably (?) be two states living side by side in peace.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  CGW

Many sensible points made in your first para.

I cannot agree with your views on the Israel / Gaza imbroglio.

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago

Don’t flirt, Cambridge tells students as it bans sexual relationships with professors

I think this is actually a good idea, but must also be extended to professors, and all teachers at all levels of education. They are entrusted to do their best to educate students, not to break that trust by seducing them, or allowing themselves to be seduced.

In this regard, I have an awkward question I’ve been wondering about:
When a married man with children committed adultery with a 17-year-old girl, he was universally reviled. But when a married woman teacher with children committed adultery with her 17-year-old male student, it was just accepted. Why?

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Some news and an invitation
The answer must be a resounding “NO!”

Voters do not need the subversive “list” of Tim Montgomerie “directing” them to vote for the Disgraced Tories instead of Reform, luring them back into the tentacles of the Uniparty Octopus.

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  Heretic

Regarding the adultery question, I guess it’s because males and females are perceived differently when it comes to sexual matters – males as more “predatory” and females as more vulnerable and in need of protection. Whether that should be the case or not, I am not 100% sure. I would hazard a guess that the husband of the “married woman teacher” was not too pleased about it.

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago

But do you therefore think the married man’s adultery should be just accepted like the married woman’s, who divorced her husband to marry the boy when he came of age?

It must be added that the married man’s wife had committed adultery before him, in full view of her young children, cuckolding him in front of the world.

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  Heretic

I disapprove of adultery, regardless of the circumstances. But I don’t think it should be illegal. Is one kind of adultery worse than the other? I don’t think so. I don’t think it’s a good idea for teachers to have sex with their students, regardless of the sex of the teacher and the student. Should that be subject to disciplinary action? Probably. I am a bit torn. I tend to think adults should be free to act as they choose, but equally I see the point regarding abuse of power. 17 years old makes it trickier still – it’s above the age of sexual consent, but you are not an adult yet. I suppose a really gut reaction to the two cases you describe, without knowing further details, would be that I would be more concerned about the adult male “exploiting” the 17 year old female than the case of the adult female exploiting the 17 year old male – I suppose because the stereotype of women being more sexually vulnerable is ingrained in me. I don’t know if I should react like that or not. Sexual and romantic and interpersonal relations are complex. I think at one point the… Read more »

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago

Thank you for your considered opinion. The married woman is now the First Lady of France. The married man is Prince Andrew.

transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  Heretic

My pleasure and I didn’t know that but somehow I’m not surprised

pamela preedy
pamela preedy
1 year ago
Reply to  Heretic

The less said about Prince Andrew’s sex life and peccadilloes the better, I think.

And how do you know whether or not the Duchess was the first in the marriage to commit adultery? I’m 100% sure you don’t know, because any information about what went on in that family comes from the notably untrustworthy mass media.

Anything that might have been said by Prince Andrew is open to doubt, to say the least!

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago
Reply to  pamela preedy

He said nothing. You seem to have forgotten the photos of the topless toe-sucking by the pool with toddler children incident. Or maybe you’re too young to remember that.

pamela preedy
pamela preedy
1 year ago
Reply to  Heretic

I’m probably older than you, Heretic.

Toe-sucking?? Since when did that count as adultery?

In your earlier post, you made it sound as if she had full-blown sex in front of her children by the swimming pool. Absolute nonsense.

Calm down and cool off, sir.

pamela preedy
pamela preedy
1 year ago
Reply to  Heretic

If you’re referring to Macron and his missus, there is no accounting for the ways of the French.

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago
Reply to  pamela preedy

I asked an honest question, comparing the two cases without naming them to get a more honest answer.

pamela preedy
pamela preedy
1 year ago
Reply to  Heretic

Actually, I don’t think a woman teacher committing adultery with her 17 year old male student IS ‘just accepted’. Increasingly over the last few decades, such women have been reviled and punished, even imprisoned, here and in the USA. No matter which sex a teacher is, they are in a position of trust, most especially when a pupil or student is a minor.

But I agree with you that it is not just university students who should be told not to flirt. At university, the burden of responsibility is most definitely on the shoulders of the faculty not to engage in flirting or affairs. They should be older and wiser than their students and not take advantage of the power their position gives them. There is a power imbalance between educator and educated in terms of authority, assessment of work, writing of references and the general influence an educator can have over a student’s future.

Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago
Reply to  pamela preedy

Yes, but accepted in this case. The married woman’s adultery with a minor is accepted, while the married man’s adultery with a minor the same age is reviled. I asked why.

Also, educators have a duty to set a good moral example to the students in their care, regardless of age.

As you pointed out, it’s a question of trust.

pamela preedy
pamela preedy
1 year ago
Reply to  Heretic

It might have been accepted in France where their sexual mores are rather different to ours, as I remarked earlier.

If it had happened in the UK, there would have been holy hell to pay and the toyboy wouldn’t have been elected.

EppingBlogger
1 year ago

I anticipate Labour might make new heterosexual relationships illegal while reducing the age of consent as a flu our to what used to be called “dirty old men”

pamela preedy
pamela preedy
1 year ago
Reply to  EppingBlogger

If Harriet Harperson has anything to do with it, you’re right. She it was who supported the Paedophile Information Exchange’s rights to promote their cause back in the 1970s. In the name of ‘civil liberties’.

Not forgotten, Harriet.

huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  pamela preedy

Yes, a very seedy and disreputable woman who had no right to be in Parliament.