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Monro
1 year ago

Young royals face National Service under Sunak’s election plans  The ‘National Service’ scheme proposed will be established by a royal commission bringing in expertise from across the military and from civil society to establish the details of the programme. Youngsters choosing to volunteer for one weekend a month for a year will be helping local fire, police and NHS services as well as local charities tackling loneliness and supporting elderly, isolated people within their communities. Teenagers who choose to sign up for a placement in the forces will train and take part in logistics, cyber security, procurement or civil response operations. Does ‘National Service’ clash with “liberal values” and belief in “personal choice”? Answer: No. In 2013, 16-to-18-year-olds were required to stay in further education or training. This is a good idea that requires definition. There will undoubtedly be a pilot scheme to test out the initial framework. There will be all kinds of exemptions available for the many different individuals, sections of society, for whom the scheme is not a good fit. This is nothing new. Voluntary Service Overseas (VSO) has always attracted motivated youngsters in numbers. There is good evidence that the scheme will enhance voter involvement,… Read more »

Monro
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

Doubtless, the Royal Commission will end up not a million miles away from this: The Royal Commission will set up a Strategic Committee that includes representatives of host organisations, young volunteers and parliamentarians, whose role is to deal with all matters relating to development of Civic Service and provide the Board of Directors with guidance. Implementation of missions is based on partnership between public and non-profit stakeholders. Civic Service is a programme designed for the civic commitment by young people aged 16 to 25, as well as by young people with disabilities aged 16 to 30, without any qualification conditions. Missions typically last between 6 to 12 months with at least 24 hours per week, for “non-profit organisations or legal entities governed by public law” having received civic service approval to accomplish general interest missions of educational, environmental, scientific, social, sporting, family or civil security or prevention. The commitment leads to payment of an allowance of £500 net per month paid by the State, and additional support in cash or kind paid for by the host organisation (£120). It entitles the volunteer to social protection funded by the State. The commitment is compatible with continuation of education or a part-time job. Civic service missions are characterised by their great diversity in terms of location… Read more »

godknowsimgood
godknowsimgood
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

How can you compare a compulsory national service scheme with Voluntary Service Overseas? One is compulsory, the other is voluntary. Do you not think that’s a big difference?

Monro
1 year ago
Reply to  godknowsimgood

We will not know the exact details of the scheme until the Royal Commission sets them out after much debate and deliberation.

I would be very surprised if the scheme, in the unlikely event of a Conservative government, does not emerge with so many exemptions that it is, effectively, voluntary.

The government already works closely with VSO so volunteering for VSO will, no doubt, give an exemption from the ‘National Service’ scheme.

godknowsimgood
godknowsimgood
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

If it became voluntary, then that’s no different from what already exists. Any young adult can currently voluntarily choose to do voluntary work.

Monro
1 year ago
Reply to  godknowsimgood

Yes and they can and will be exempted from this scheme for so doing.

Individuals doing apprenticeships, military, police, fire service will no doubt all also be exempted

This is an attempt to kick start youngsters not too sure of their direction of travel, to encourage them to try something that they otherwise might not have considered.

NeilParkin
1 year ago

Gerontocratic Tyranny” 

Look around Louise. Have a look around. We grey tyrants have provided you with everything you see, and do and use. It is a wealth of opportunity, in a world of abundance for you to make a better life for yourself than any of your ancestors enjoyed. Its only 200 years ago that people lived short and brutal lives in the fields and the factories, or digging down holes in grinding poverty before dying at 35. Stop looking at what you don’t have, and whining about the new challenges that every generation faces, and blame us for not making better choices. Take up the challenge and do something to make your children’s lives better than yours.

Free Lemming
1 year ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

I agree with you that young people do not have to endure the types of hardships that many of us (of a certain age), particularly us with a working class upbringing, had to endure. But I believe they do endure other types of difficulties that we never had to e.g. digital gaming, social media, girls having unrealistic expectations, boys being constantly told they’re worthless etc. We may have had more physical hardships, but they have more mental hardships, and our hardships matured us, theirs infantilises them. And I do think adults have abandoned adult responsibility for children over the years – from unrestrictive screen time to the allowing of obvious poisoning of children during the supposed pandemic. We’re partly responsible for a generation that cannot handle responsibility or properly communicate because they’ve never been taught to. Which era would I choose to grow up? Mine without a shadow of a doubt, and I think that question is a very telling one. I didn’t downvote you btw, I very, very, rarely downvote anyone.

NeilParkin
1 year ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Life, for the current generation of western kids is as good as it ever has been. But struggle makes you smart and tough. Maybe, we’ve made it too easy for too many of them. They are much more politically manipulated than we were, but these are lessons to be learned.

DHJ
DHJ
1 year ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

“digging down holes in grinding poverty before dying at 35”

Maybe not for people in the UK but that’s how we get cheap tech.

NeilParkin
1 year ago
Reply to  DHJ

Maybe the nations who have the resources could have a bit of economic development and use machinery to do the digging.? Maybe the moaning kids could invent a better technology.? Maybe we should stop seeing going back to an earlier time as some kind of virtue..?

DHJ
DHJ
1 year ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Indeed. First they would need to deal with the same problem we have and replace their government for one that serves the population.

NeilParkin
1 year ago

Muslim Vote frontman suggested Britain helped ‘create racism’” 

Funny how they all want to come and live here…

Mogwai
1 year ago

An interesting new 20min documentary focusing on the threat Islam poses to the West, featuring testimonies from ex-servicemen and former Muslims;

”Radical Islam poses a significant threat to our freedom. The rise of anti-American rhetoric and violence in cities and universities is a direct result of the indoctrination led by those perpetrating a religious war against the West. PragerU’s short documentary features first-hand accounts from those who escaped Islamic rule and have come to warn America.”

https://www.prageru.com/video/dear-infidels 

DHJ
DHJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Radical Islam may pose a significant threat but is it just a pawn being moved across a board and if so, who’s encouraging it? Western countries certainly use Islamic extremists when it suits their own ends.

During the era of Classic COVID, Muslims fell in-line like the majority despite this, and the policies, ultimately emanating from Infidels. As with many believers in G-d, faith wasn’t strong enough for them to have trust in the creation that is their immune system.

Even in 2024 the Saudi government is recommending at least one dose of COVID vaccine to have been received in 2023-2024 for Hajj.

https://www.moh.gov.sa/HealthAwareness/Pilgrims_Health/Documents/Hajj-Health-Requirements-English-language.pdf

Whether it’s Islam, Judaism, or any other belief where teachings can be used to promote violence: extremists can make great fighters. Cheaper than a professional army and no need for explicit orders as they can take that from scripture, or a selective reading of it.

Jon Garvey
1 year ago

“The Prime Minister’s initiative is a great first step”

No – it might have been a useful fourth or fifth step, following on from a complete political formation, a national renewal, and the conception and execution of a plan to build a coherent defence force.

A citizen’s army depends on a sense of the polis which has been deliberately trashed by globalists like Sunak and Starmer, and won’t be remedied by sticking woke teenagers in uniform and getting them to paint coal and do strike-relief before being sent to die on the Russian Front to further the globalist cause.

For a fist full of roubles

Much of the racism we are exposed to in UK is anti-white racism from Muslims. Their racism is blatant and vicious, and the authorities are meekly complicit.

soundofreason
soundofreason
1 year ago

Germany’s authoritarian turn” – Thomas Fazi in UnHerd reports on the increasingly authoritarian methods Germany’s liberal political class is resorting to to fend off the threat posed by the AfD.

…includes the passing or proposal of an array of illiberal new laws. One such example is the recently approved “Law to speed up the removal of extremists from civil service”, aimed at making it easier to target so-called “extremist” civil servants — or “enemies of the constitution” — who may be removed from their posts and even denied their pension payments…

…“Anyone who rejects the state cannot serve it.”…

If course this is nothing like the Berufsbeamtengesetz or Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service.

Sheesh.

stewart
1 year ago

What does an abusive, oppressive state do to you when you’re young and, unlike older people who’ve been working and saving their whole lives – have no money yet to confiscate?

It forces you to work for it, basically it turns you into a slave and calls it “national service” or “community. service”. And if you refuse? Fines or jail, presumably.

It is really baffling to me that a majority of the population isn’t just completely fed up of being treated like a farm animal property of the state.

WithASmallC
WithASmallC
1 year ago

Can someone explain how you can compel foreign nationals to do national service? And how desirable is it to compromise your national security by allowing them to train in your army or in cyber security? Luckily the Tories are dead and these are but hypothetical questions.

AJPotts
AJPotts
1 year ago

The baby boomer generation has shafted the younger generation.

By far the largest generation ever, baby boomers voted for income tax cuts and real terms pension freezes when they were in their peak earning years. In their retirement they’ve voted for steep rises in income tax and real terms increases in pensions. They have voted to restrict the supply of housing so that they obtained enormous unearned income from the value of their houses.

The baby boomer generation is the sow that devours its young. The future is bleak.

NeilParkin
1 year ago
Reply to  AJPotts

We’ll be gone soon, and then you can pick up all the tools that we have left you and do something else. The future is a challenge to be grasped.

DHJ
DHJ
1 year ago
Reply to  AJPotts

The government of the day presented these options to manipulate voters then just like they present options to manipulate voters now. By early July we will see if it still works.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  AJPotts

And who will be the beneficiaries of that enormous unearned income? Could it be the younger generation and the government who will share the proceeds when the baby boomers become the past generation?
You really need to think things through AJ.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  AJPotts

I also don’t remember voting for limitless migration which is doing more for the lack of housing than any failure of government to stimulate the housing supply (remember the government doesn’t actually build houses).

DHJ
DHJ
1 year ago

Israeli right-wing journalists condemned for their celebratory response to the reported deaths of Palestinian civilians following a strike in Rafah.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-27/ty-article/.premium/right-wing-israeli-journalists-celebrate-rafah-attack-likening-it-to-lag-baomer-bonfire/0000018f-b983-dca9-a5cf-bd832e6e0000

‘”I want to remind you that in Rwanda the journalists were tried and sent to prison for supporting war crimes” – MK Ahmed Tibi referred to ‘some of the right-wing media people who expressed joy at seeing the pictures of burnt Palestinian children’ at the meeting of the Hadash-Ta’al faction'”

https://x.com/KnessetT/status/1795070521559634173