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godknowsimgood
godknowsimgood
2 years ago

Are we being gaslit over the cause of the Princess of Wales’s cancer?

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  godknowsimgood

Commenting on this article has been closed

Monro
2 years ago

Any idea why?

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Not really.

My only thought was that it was by request of the author.

TheBasicMind
2 years ago

Actually further to me getting very annoyed and disappointed in equal measure, last night a rumour I heard on Twitter suddenly came back to mind. It wasn’t an accredited source and I have no idea if this is true. However someone from the US did say the UK press are currently subject to a Super Injunction. Were that the case the Daily Sceptic would then be in something of a legal bind and would be wholly unable to defend themselves or their actions publicly. They would also want to err on the side of ensuring nothing that will bring a big lawsuit down on them is said. So now I’m thinking maybe, so long as this is a one off, we should cut them some slack if just on this basis. If this is the case, which again I have no idea, then I would want to apologise to them for some of the comments I made. Clearly it would not be their fault, and indeed the whole situation would then serve as a good example of why that law is extremely bad, unfair, anti-democratic and potentially very damaging to parties like The Daily Sceptic.

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  TheBasicMind

Possibly but then you’d think the article itself would have been withdrawn. I’ll not be bothering to make any further BTL comments on any subject other than this one, unless there’s some kind of explanation. “Comments from this subscriber are now closed”.

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  godknowsimgood

What does ‘gaslit’ mean?

Roy Everett
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Gaslighting is the process, whether intentional or not, of constantly drip-feeding false information to another person with the effect of causing them to doubt their own perception of the world about them. If done intentionally in order to cause an opponent to doubt their [correct] perception it is akin to “nudging” or simply “lying” in order to deceive the opponent into pursuing a particular sequence of decisions beneficial to the gaslighter but detrimental to the target. If done unintentionally it likely to be part of the behaviour pattern of somebody with a personality disorder, especially Borderline Personality Disorder, in which the other person in the relationship tends to lose contact with reality and can develop strange behaviour in order, initially, to maintain the relationship until something snaps. It then becomes difficult to attribute “intent”. The last time this discussion came up regarding royalty was with comments on Princess Diana’s behaviour.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/gaslighting

The old bat
2 years ago
Reply to  Roy Everett

Gaslight is also a wonderful film.

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WyrdWoman
2 years ago
Reply to  The old bat

It is indeed the film from whence the term arises.

Roy Everett
2 years ago
Reply to  WyrdWoman

Gaslighting crops up frequently. I met it, almost literally, around 2004 at university when we all being told “look, the Earth’s temperature is going up at an unprecedented rate”. All I saw a random bouncing of a graph, dodgy downward “adjustments” of historical temperatures, curve-fitting with a ridiculously large number of Von Neumann’s Elephant parameters and zealous evangelical meetings of the coming Thermogeddon where dissenters were ejected. The same process is alive and kicking in UK schools to this day, by including “Climate Change” (i.e. Global Warming rebranded) in many different subjects. Some say that Lockdown propaganda had a similar same element, but I wouldn’t call it gaslighting because, rather than being drip-fed falsehoods over twenty years, we were bullied or deceived into submission over twenty days. That said, the occasional medical person I come into contact with still talk as though Covid 19 was an existential threat and that masks and vaccines are safe and effective: the drip-feeding continues. An important element for the success of gaslighting is that the target should have strong emotional motivation to keep the relationship working, be it within a family or between a loyal citizen and the state. Another film is Girl, Interrupted… Read more »

The old bat
2 years ago
Reply to  WyrdWoman

Who is this weird person who has downvoted our two innocuous remarks about an old film? Bonkers.

GroundhogDayAgain
2 years ago
Reply to  The old bat

It’s a brilliant film despite its age. Can’t see why a down tick is required.

Maybe they’re not a Bergman fan. Or perhaps they’re holding the phone upside down?

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  Roy Everett

Thanks very much.

I’m not clear why the shorter and more readily comprehensible ‘misleading’, ‘misled’ is not used?

Is ‘gaslighting’, ‘gaslit’ some kind of ‘journalese’ thing, maybe?

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

I’m no expert but I think it’s a specific kind of misleading intended to undermine the target’s belief in their own sanity. If you read the synopsis of the film mentioned below it might give a better picture.

Perhaps “We’ve always been at war with Eastasia” is also an example.

Monro
2 years ago

Thanks. That makes the word specific and useful but, surely, also means that, more often than not, its use would be hyperbole, ‘hype’ (not uncommon in ‘journalese’!)

Pilla
Pilla
2 years ago

Yes, that’s how I understand it too. Also, making the target so confused that they just give up and go with the flow.

soundofreason
soundofreason
2 years ago
Reply to  Pilla

aka Bamboozle.

If someone is bamboozled – someone has been doing the bamboozling.

GroundhogDayAgain
2 years ago
Reply to  Pilla

That’s correct. Her husband caused the gas lighting to flicker and then told her she was imagining it. He also removed items from her purse and then replaced them after she’d failed to find them.

Pilla
Pilla
2 years ago

👍

Freddy Boy
2 years ago
Reply to  Roy Everett

Excellent description 👍🤩

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

In a nutshell: denying your personal take on reality.

Monro
2 years ago

Many thanks.

huxleypiggles
2 years ago

A perfect summary Aethelred.

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
2 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Cheers, HP!

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago
Reply to  godknowsimgood

I received a response from Toby explaining why the comments were closed/deleted.

I’ll let him tell everyone.

varmint
2 years ago

I would appreciate if you can point out to me where his explanation is, if he has made one on DS ….cheers. ———I am not going to rush to judgement on this issue till I see an explanation, which since we pay money to post comments I think we deserve that.

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  varmint

Ditto on all counts.

Pilla
Pilla
2 years ago
Reply to  varmint

Ditto here too.

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
2 years ago
Reply to  varmint

Well said, V!

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago
Reply to  varmint

I asked him on email, he responded there.

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
2 years ago

Can you give us a clue?

huxleypiggles
2 years ago

Thanks M A k.

stewart
2 years ago

Looking forward to the explanation.

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
2 years ago
Reply to  godknowsimgood

If indeed comments were taken down at the behest of the author, perhaps a better way to do this would have a proper explanation from the DS rather than leave us all wondering about being censored. One of the best comments, and one of the first taken down, I saw was from Hester and there was absolutely nothing contentious or judgemental in it. Since the article still stands, I doubt there was anything about the actual article that worried the DS from a legal POV. It must have been the type of commentary. As if the world wasn’t dystopian enough, the DS enact a type of censorship worthy of that description.

Lockdown Sceptic
2 years ago

Covid Jab Cancer Link – latest leaflet to print at home and deliver to neighbours or forward to politicians, including your local Reform Party candidate, your local vicar, media and friends online.

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Monro
2 years ago

U.K. military ‘couldn’t fight Russia for longer than two months We know what we have to do. The USSR invaded Hungary and Poland in 1956, Czechoslovakia in 1967. Consequently, in 1972, the British Army comprised 180,000 men, with an Army Corps (1(Br.)Corps) of four small divisions, later concentrated into three stronger divisions, forward located in West Germany. That formed part of a credible NATO conventional deterrent in Western Europe……and it worked……so that is, quite simply, what we have to do again. For Pete’s sake, that Army Corps was only circa 55,000 men. And for those who say that warfare has moved on, I say: ‘Yes it has, but Putin’s invasion of Ukraine demonstrates, quite clearly, the old maxim that still ‘quantity has a quality all of its own’. What to do? The political will is simply not there for a new British Army on the Danube. The last time Britain could put one (weak) armoured division in the field was 1990. For perspective, Edward III’s army at Crecy was, in numbers, the size of a strong armoured division. That is where thirty years of economic mismanagement has landed us. A radical reorganisation is required. The United States Marine Corps, an… Read more »

D J
D J
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Canada tried that 50y ago. It sapped morale. Accountants don’t get that.

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  D J

I know. I served with them. They all wore the same uniform. That was a good example of how not to do it and precisely not my proposal.

Retention of service uniforms, cap badges at Regimental/Ship/Squadron level, with more delegated powers, very much is what I am proposing.

The USMC has been demonstrating how it can be done, retaining esprit, considerable elan, since 1775.

And, as I point out, they are equivalent in size to our entire armed forces and have their own dedicated procurement system.

Are you really suggesting that the USMC, excellent though they are, can do things that are beyond the wit of our armed forces?

Hopefully not.

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

It is worrying that our armed forces are in such a weakened and defunded state. Our navy an embarrassment, our airforce denied ‘white’ pilots, our army god knows where and woke infesting it all from the top down. The idea of a deterrent to an imagined Russian invasion is beyond a joke. All that I can determine about what is going on is that we are being prepared for a war that none of us – including Russia – want.

stewart
2 years ago

How about cutting all benefits for people out of work and making the resources available to the armed forces?

Then if anyone is out of a job, they can join up.

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
2 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I know a lot of people actually benefitted from National Service or say they did. They learned about personal responsibility, got fit and could pursue different activities of interest. At the moment, we have to do something about our young people because they are being ignored. Living on benefits just saps any strength and sense of purpose and meaning.

Monro
2 years ago

National service, using serving military as trainers, takes them away from their core function so, in my view, is not a good idea.

However there is no reason why any government of the day could not employ retired service personnel, many of them erstwhile brilliant trainers, to provide a youth training program as required.

Monro
2 years ago

I agree that the citizens of Russia, for the most part, do not wish for war. Nevertheless, they are at war.

The problem that Britain has is that it is very much not being prepared for a war that has already started.

varmint
2 years ago

“Crime league Tables for migrants” ? So that we can apparently restrict people coming from certain countries. ————Is this a joke? There is no way this will ever happen because human rights would scream blue murder. Remember when Trump tried to say they could not come from dangerous countries and the race bleaters said it was an anti muslim decision. ——–Look, we need to just accept the politicians have f…ed us over and the country is not a nation anymore. It is just a region.

Freddy Boy
2 years ago

Good Morning fellow sufferers, My spirits soared when News broke that Andrew Bridgen could pursue the Worm that is Hand cock in court for his outrageous tweet MH made against him , then later I was left reeling in disbelief as The Guardian informed us that AB has to pay Wancocks 40k Court Costs but the case can still proceed , HOW did this happen ??

WyrdWoman
2 years ago
Reply to  Freddy Boy

Here’s Bridgen’s crowdfunder to pay for Wancock’s hate speech:

https://democracythree.org/en-gb/en-gb/the_day_democracy_died_andrew_bridgen

Freddy Boy
2 years ago
Reply to  WyrdWoman

Thanks 👍

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
2 years ago
Reply to  Freddy Boy

Forgive me if I am wrong but surely a court case has to proceed first to determine who wins it? Is this from an earlier case, perhaps?

Freddy Boy
2 years ago

It’s confusing , 40k & the case hasn’t been heard yet 😳😳

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Freddy Boy

If it was sourced from the Graun/Indy is it the full truth?

Heretic
Heretic
2 years ago

Tory MPs plan for migrant crime league tables” 
Well done to Robert Jenrick for this excellent proposal, and to the few MPs brave enough to support him.

U.K. military ‘couldn’t fight Russia for longer than two months’
Absolutely right he is to point this out.

May I also point out the real danger of importing Taliban double agents who pretended to “help” the UK Armed Forces in Afghanistan, now claiming to be “in danger from the Taliban” so they can continue their double agent work, reporting back to the Taliban? If they were in any real “danger” from the Taliban, the Taliban would have sorted them long ago.
St Athan: ‘Brave’ Afghans who helped UK are to be housed on Welsh military camp | UK News | Sky News

Remember what the Bible says: Never let the enemy into the camp.”

Heretic
Heretic
2 years ago

This is magnificent to watch”— It really is!!!

Occams Pangolin Pie
2 years ago

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I have emailed Daily Sceptic and no response.
Thank you

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2 years ago

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