The Dangers of Banning ‘Islamophobia’

The Free Speech Union has published an essay by Tim Dieppe, Head of Public Policy at Christian Concern, about why we should hesitate before trying to prohibit ‘Islamophobia’, particularly as defined by the All Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims, a definition that has been adopted by the Labour Party, as well as one in seven local authorities in England. Spiked has published a summary by Tim of his argument.

The APPG definition is as follows: ‘Islamophobia is rooted in racism and is a type of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived Muslimness.’

The problem with such a broad definition is that it can be invoked to shut down legitimate criticism of Islam as a religion, not just unacceptable prejudice towards Muslim people. Indeed, the authors of the APPG report dismissed the ‘the supposed right to criticise Islam’ as ‘nothing more than another subtle form of anti-Muslim racism’. In this way, a well-meaning effort to protect Muslim people from abuse ends stifling debate about almost anything connected to Islam. Teaching about the spread of Islam historically through war and conquest, criticisms of Islamic practices around women’s rights – particularly those made by ex-Muslims – and press coverage of Islamist terror attacks all have the potential to be labelled ‘Islamophobic’, according to the APPG’s definition. No other religion is granted this degree of protection in the UK.

The definition of ‘Islamophobia’ in the APPG’s report is so broad that, among other things, it means anyone disputing Hamas’s description of Israel’s military operation in Gaza as a ‘genocide’ is guilty of hate speech. Indeed, anyone who questions a group of Muslims, or a Muslim-majority state, when they claim to be experiencing ‘genocide’ is designated as an Islamophobe. As GB News reporter Tom Harwood recently pointed out, this would make Keir Starmer, who doesn’t accept that what’s happening in Gaza is a ‘genocide’, an Islamophobe. Anneliese Dodds, Labour’s shadow equalities minister, recently tried to publicly shame the Conservative Party for not subscribing to the APPG’s definition. She was seemingly unaware that, as a member of Labour’s front bench, her adoption of Labour’s official line on Gaza would make her an Islamophobe as well.

Worth reading in full.

Richard Dawkins has written the Foreword to Tim’s essay and Spiked has published an edited version of that too. You can read that here.

You can read the full version of Tim’s essay and Richard‘s Foreword on the Free Speech Union’s website.

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Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago

Everyone KNOWS that bad things will be prevented by making those things ILLEGAL!

Have faith in our glorious lawmakers!

For they know best!

iconoclast
2 years ago

I still do not understand why a phobia [fear] of being attacked in the street by Islamic extremists [Islamophobia] is claimed to be wrong and even to be criminalised.

That is making fear itself a crime!!!! It is bonkers. But hey, no more bonkers than chicks with dicks by law. Get on message sheeple and line up and join the ranks of the obedient unwashed.

We cannot engage in free speech anymore. Drawing a cartoon can get you killed – and it has done in Paris France – Charlie Hebdo. Or drive you into hiding like a recent school teacher. Or have you living in fear of attack for three decades under an Islamic fatwa – Satanic Verses author Salman Rushie who was eventually attacked on stage and suffered life changing injuries.

75% of the 43,000 extremists monitored by MI5 are Islamic extremists.

MI5 are professional Islamophobes. So will Starmer’s Labour government make sure all MI5 personnel go to gaol along with the rest of us who are not muslims?

huxleypiggles
2 years ago

I do not see anything in the so-called “religion of peace” that is worthy of protection. It is a festering sore on the whole of humanity and the world would be a happier, more civilised place if it was disappeared.

Mogwai
2 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

You may remember I posted recently about an Afghan migrant who killed three sex workers in Austria. Well more details have been released about what he did. I wonder if deporting him would be deemed ‘Islamophobic’? Hopefully Austria isn’t the soft touch that the UK is but I’m not holding my breath; ”An Afghan migrant who slaughtered three prostitutes in Vienna last week, including beheading two of them, cited the Quran and Jihad as a motivation for his attack. “Prostitutes are under the guise of Satan,” said Ebadullah A. while confessing his crime during the police interrogation. “I read in the Quran that I should engage in jihad.” The case, which has shocked Austria, is turning into another high-profile crime involving a foreigner. The cruel attack saw Ebadullah A. walk into an Asian massage parlor close to closing time on Feb. 24, where three women refused to have sex with him. He flew into a rage and began stabbing the women with knives he had brought with him to the clandestine brothel. Investigators said they were greeted with a horror scene when they arrived. The three women were stabbed a total of 98 times, making it difficult for investigators to identify them.… Read more »

Grim Ace
Grim Ace
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

They are vile people. Deport them all. I will be happy to help out.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Mogwai

It would appear that in this case the Koran’s words are an excuse not a reason.

varmint
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

The squirming open border people will say these people have mental health issues or “all muslims are not terrorists”——-Mainly because they refuse to admit any problem related to Muslim extremism incase it interferes with their multi cultural dogma. A great example of this head in the sand politics is in Sweeden where 20 times more rapes and sexual offences are committed by migrants than by indigenous Swedes. But bizarrely if you point out this truth you can be arrested.

Claphamanian
Claphamanian
2 years ago

Perhaps it would be a Good Thing if the Labour worthies were caught up in the net of the contradictions of the ‘phobias’.

No one’s debating theology here. Islam extends to things like architecture. A building can be an ‘expression of Muslimness’. If an architect designed a building that offended Muslim sensibilities, would that be Islamophobic? In contrast, when synagogues were first built in Britain, their exteriors were designed to look like churches.

DHJ
DHJ
2 years ago

Cherry-picking the worst of a religion, society, or any other grouping of people can obviously be used to make them look like a threat.

They’re all just people and a minority of them will be particularly unpleasant with many others being easily led or manipulated into following such people without question.

All of these religions and other groups are open to criticism regardless of what any bloated document says or any legislation. If people don’t comply with restrictions on their speech, the government will resort to threats and violence just like an extremist or an animal.

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  DHJ

Many things are threats and I think Islam might well be one of those things

But if I’ve understood you correctly you are advocating for freedom of speech when debating these matters and on that score I agree with you

DHJ
DHJ
2 years ago

That’s correct but it seems many readers would disagree.

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  DHJ

Perhaps they are disagreeing with your partial defence of Islam/implication that there is nothing intrinsically bad about Islam. If that’s what you were intending to say.
Living in a majority Islamic country doesn’t appeal to me but if others want to live in those places then that’s fine. I don’t like change and having got used to where I have lived all my life and its culture I don’t really want to have to deal with other cultures. I guess I’m a Little Englander, racist, xenophobe.

DHJ
DHJ
2 years ago

It’s not a religion that is the issue but the people and it’s not all the people, just a minority. This equally applies to the civil service, football supporters, corporations, universities etc.

I wouldn’t be too concerned about living in a majority Islamic country, the supposed threat of it seems more like a means to an end. That aside, why should you change if it is against your traditions and beliefs? One of the narrative contradictions – people need to be free to be who they really are but they also need to accept the bland conformity of multiculturalism.

The question is: why has our pro-Israel Hindu PM and pro-Israel opposition suddenly got so interested in The Islamic Threat?

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  DHJ

Well Sunak might be up to all sorts of things, most likely nefarious, but that doesn’t change my lack of enthusiasm for living in a majority Islamic state. You can argue about whether it’s the people or the religion or some combination of the two but I don’t think those places are for me. I don’t think your comparison with other organisations is convincing- religion inspires strong feelings in people and influences how society works. I don’t want to live in an England full of woke collectivists either. I just want to be left alone. I don’t see much chance of that whatever happens.

DHJ
DHJ
2 years ago

I could have worded that better. I don’t think you should worry as I don’t think an Islamic state will be an end result.

Which branch of Islam is it that you are concerned with? A look around the world shows that Muslims persecute and kill each other over their beliefs and differences just like many other religions or groups. Is that likely to be because they are Muslims or because they are people with a certain mindset who happen to be Muslims?

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  DHJ

Hard to know what the end result for England will be, other than it seems unlikely it will be recognisable to me. I’ll be long gone before that though.

Yes it could be the people and their mindset. There are many parts of the world that seem less pleasant than here to me.

DHJ
DHJ
2 years ago

“religion inspires strong feelings in people and influences how society works”

Think about the classic-Covid era. That wasn’t a religion but tapped into similar feelings using propaganda. Look at the violence that used to accompany football under the banner of “support”. Support for or against politicians can be equally rabid.

Organised religion is akin to an established business offering something in return for your faith and support. As with many businesses, the objectives of those running it may not be the same as the ’employees’ (see Church of England). Individual spiritual growth does not require any of this.

Grim Ace
Grim Ace
2 years ago
Reply to  DHJ

No. Islam in an invader. Read history (before the Labour communist scum stop you) and understand how Islam treats unbelievers. Don’t listen to the lying bstards who cover for Islam. It is an evil, unpleasant, nasty ideology just like nazism (Gheert Wilders was correct describe the Koran as like Meon Kampf).

DHJ
DHJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Grim Ace

“Don’t listen to the lying bstards [sic] who cover for Islam.”

I don’t and equally I don’t listen to those who cover for Judaism which has a similar collection of evil, unpleasant and nasty beliefs and laws. In both religions, only a minority are adherents to those particular teachings.

Grim Ace
Grim Ace
2 years ago

Me too. And bloody proud

DHJ
DHJ
2 years ago

This discussion has just been truncated yet there was nothing controversial. It leaves the discussion at a point where my view is not fully represented.

Why the censorship?

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  DHJ

Yes your previous reply to me regarding the nature of organised religion has disappeared.

Perhaps it breaks OFCOM rules or something.

DHJ
DHJ
2 years ago

In addition to a reply last night, I posted 2 replies to your further comment this morning.

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  DHJ

Mystifying

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  DHJ

For more or less completely uncensored discussion I can recommend the Lockdown Sceptics subreddit or Steve Sailer’s blog on the Unz website

Mogwai
2 years ago

Well I think I’ve done this nonsense term, ‘Islamophobia’, to death now but of course it should be banned because it’s illogical. We should all know by now who invented it and why. No one religion should be beyond criticism and Islam should not be held to a different standard than all of the others. Plus, if you’re living in the so-called ‘democratic’ West then get used to our customs and traditions. Everybody is fair game for challenging, criticizing and taking the Mick. Get used to it, quit whinging and playing the victim or sling your hook. Question; based on the nonsensical term, would kicking out or banning entry to Islamist hate preachers qualify as ‘Islamophobia’? I bet it would according to Labour; ”The UK is set to block radical Islamist hate preachers from entering the country following a “shocking increase” in extremist activity in the wake of the Hamas terror attacks on Israel. Immigration officials have reportedly been tasked with compiling lists of hate preachers and other extremists from countries such as Afghanistan, Indonesia, and Pakistan to bar them from entering the UK, The Telegraph reports. The government already has the authority under national security powers to ban entries of foreigners… Read more »

huxleypiggles
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Absolutely Mogs. We have for too long imported the Third World in to the West and now look where we are. I have had enough of the bloody imports and I am not on my own. Let’s start shipping them out.

varmint
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

We have always had those kind of words ——One of the first ones was “Atheist”. But do we really need a world for someone who isn’t religious? —We don’t need a word for people who don’t watch football or play golf so why do we need a word for non-religious people? ——We don’t. The word “Atheist” is a tool to isolate or highlight something that a section of society has decided is a bad thing ie lack of religion. —This tactic is now used extensively to try and de-legitimise or criminalise certain ways of thinking that are not approved of by a political class of people determined that you should only have one world view —THEIRS. ——eg “islamophobe” “climate denier” “racist” etc etc.

huxleypiggles
2 years ago

Breaking News.

Trump cleared to run for Presidency.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/us-supreme-court-ruling-allows-trump-to-stay-on-primary-ballots-nationwide/

This should set the fireworks off.

GroundhogDayAgain
2 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Tantrum time for the swivel-eyed loons.

I don’t like Trump very much, but he makes my political enemies incredibly angry. Possibly so angry they’ll make mistakes.

huxleypiggles
2 years ago

Agreed.

A very accurate way of locating the idiot class is by determining their views on Donald Trump. The greater their vitriol the greater is their stupidity.

varmint
2 years ago

I didn’t like Maradona very much but that was irrelevant. Great footballers cannot be expected to be recruited from within the ranks of gentlemen any more than in any other walk of life. ——-I don’t care if Trump is a Gentleman or not. I only care if he withdraws from the Paris Agreement and he makes policies I approve of.

DHJ
DHJ
2 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles
psychedelia smith
2 years ago

I object to misogyny, the forced erasure of woman’s rights & identity, enforced dress codes, enforced speech codes, enforced behavioural patterns, domestic violence, corporal and capital punishment, brainwashing and religious cults.

But I am not Islamophobic as this implies the problem is in my own head. I am anti-Islam.

Mogwai
2 years ago

The interesting thing about Islam though is that despite it being widely accepted as a patriarchal religion/ideology female misogynists are a crazy ( in my opinion ) phenomenon. There are plenty of examples of this, such as FGM being routinely carried out by women ( e.g in Kenya, even though it’s meant to be illegal ), women taking part in so-called ‘honour killings’ and the ‘Morality Police’ in Iran have female officers. I have no idea why this is and would be interested to hear from a psychologist to get some expert perspective because it just boggles my mind that women can literally abuse and kill other females. I’ll bet Jordan Peterson knows. Another context where female misogyny is rife is in all things trans-related. Women seriously stomping all over women’s rights and siding with some pervert/mentally deranged man who wants to infiltrate female’s spaces or cheat by entering women’s sports whilst parodying the opposite sex is just completely bizarre because more often than not this is all being enabled by actual women! Extraordinary. But if you see any expert theories or explanations as to why this happens and what makes these crazy biatches motivated to behave this way then… Read more »

psychedelia smith
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Exactly. It’s totally bizarre. Just look at Saudi Arabia where women are banned from driving a car yet can fly a Boeing 787 Dreamliner!

iconoclast
2 years ago

Which morons downvoted that comment?

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Well, men are cruel to other men too. Some people just seem to enjoy it or not find it revolting or get off on telling others what to do

psychedelia smith
2 years ago

I think the term we might be looking for is ‘medieval’.

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago

I am anti things I believe are bad.

Islam is a set of beliefs, that is all.

I believe some of those beliefs are totally fucking crazy.

But then the idea of a woman giving birth without ever having had sex is also totally fucking crazy.

Holy War.

Jihad.

They all do it.

People calling themselves Muslims do very bad things.

People calling themselves Christians do very bad things.

People calling themselves Muslims do very good things.

People calling themselves Christians do very good things.

Let’s not let them divide us like this, eh?

transmissionofflame
2 years ago

True but countries where Christianity was the dominant religion seem more appealing to me than countries where Islam is the dominant religion. One does have to live with others and their foibles however much you want to be self contained.

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago

Cause?
Effect?

transmissionofflame
2 years ago

Sorry that’s too subtle for me

psychedelia smith
2 years ago

The small thing is though, in living memory how many Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists or Christians for that matter have blown teen pop concerts to smithereens, slaughtered satirical magazine cartoonists in broad daylight, beheaded teachers, burned people alive in cages, raped & enslaved vast swathes of female populations and machined gunned hundreds of people at rock gigs? I could go on. And on. And on…

iconoclast
2 years ago

I keep asking ‘what is wrong with being Islamophobic’ – fear of Islamic extremism – and I keep getting silence in response.

I womder why that might be?

iconoclast
2 years ago

Why downvote that comment?

It is just someone expressing views.

If you don’t like them tough on you.

Go play somewhere else.

psychedelia smith
2 years ago

Oh look, Ismail Haniyeh and Sadiq Khan have both downvoted my comment.

iconoclast
2 years ago

And their mum and dad and aunties.

Morons.

[Current Moron downvote count is -14]

zebedee
zebedee
2 years ago

is a type of racism

So the APPG insults Islam by saying it is a racist religion whereas it welcomes members of all races. It is very brave of them to insult Islam but they could try to be factual.

huxleypiggles
2 years ago

https://youtu.be/Xq5qmyYNwHk?si=Akly90uLPXLbnicc

Off-topic dump on the fight to destroy our farms.

From the video :

By 2030 there will be no imports and no exports of food in the UK. Let that sink in.

CircusSpot
CircusSpot
2 years ago

Once the compulsion to attend church services and the link between attendance and job prospects ended in the 1960s the numbers attending dropped considerably.
I believe the same will happen to the mosques in the U.K. as the Muslim young will seek a different lifestyle to their elders.

Jon Garvey
2 years ago
Reply to  CircusSpot

There was no compulsion to attend church services in the 1960s. I was there.

Grim Ace
Grim Ace
2 years ago

I imagine the All Party Parliamentary Group on kissing Islam’s posterior and doing Islam’s work for it, is stuffed with, shall we say, immigrant descended MPs and fellow travellers who are concerned to ensure the crocodile eats them last. Cowards and traitors. We need a crusade. Oh, did I say that out loud. Yes I did.
War will come to our land. Mark my words.

Jon Garvey
2 years ago

Islam is, and has always been, not a religion simpliciter but a religio-political movement. From its origins in both the Quran and the hadith it (a) has enforced its influence by the sword and (b) sought to be the single world faith through establishing a worldwide political caliphate.

Political Islamism is certainly extreme even by Muslim standards (it would seem to have learned a lot from the atheist leftist revolutionary cells of the sixties, with which it trained), but its broad aims simply continue the politico-military aims that were represented first by the original caliphs and latterly by the Ottoman Empire.

Therefore the fully intentional aim of the “Islamophobia” definition is not to protect the peaceful followers of a religion from harm, but to shut down opposition to an imperialist political movement. Never forget that the fabled Battle of Badr was “an expression of Muslimness” mandated by the Prophet himself.

varmint
2 years ago

It is apparently against the law to discriminate against people based on their religion. —–This seems reasonable enough so long as that religious person is not using their religion to interfere with my freedom or ability go about my business. ——-But the problem is that Islam is not just a religion. It is a political system, and once politics is involved then there can be no protections for you by hiding behind your so called religion. ——–“Islamophobia” then is just another one of those Liberal Progressive “isms” and “phobias” that have been manufactured in order to silence legitimate debate or prevent any questions or discussions about issues that they don’t want any light shone on.