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Monro
2 years ago

Labour vows to ‘eliminate’ fox hunting ‘……there is not a majority in “any part of the country” that wants it to continue’ Or not really…….. ‘To what extent do you personally support or oppose a ban on hunting with dogs in England and Wales?’ A MORI survey for BBC ONE’s Countryfile programme has revealed that support for a ban on hunting with dogs in England and Wales has fallen from nearly two thirds of British adults to around half. The Hunting Act is a disaster for animal welfare. ‘Both shotguns and rifles are used to shoot foxes and we observed and filmed foxes shot at by all the main methods. We obtained data from the Scottish gun packs for the 2002-2003 season documenting the outcomes of 574 shots fired at 386 live foxes. This revealed an average kill rate of 55% (range 20-79%) for all shots fired……’ ‘……..different known causes of mortality of British foxes………They concluded that 80,000 foxes were shot and retrieved each year and that a theoretical further 115,000 fox deaths remained unaccounted for. Some of these may be foxes that have been shot and died later without being retrieved”. https://www.falcons.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Wounding-rates-in-shooting-foxes.pdf The Hunting Act bans the use of… Read more »

Dinger64
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought fox hunting with dogs was already banned?
The hunt just goes through the motions following a pre trailed scent.
So why ban it again? Don’t get it!

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  Dinger64

Very well said! I believe the ‘labour’ party imagine that all they have to do is get their core vote out in order to win the next general election. The conservative party has been so utterly contemptible in government that ‘labour’ are probably correct in that assessment. In any case, the ban, ‘regretted’ by Blair, its architect, was never about hunting in the first place: ‘why was this low priority, hopelessly ill drafted, time consuming, expensive and utterly impractical act ever passed? The two dog follow up limit…..responsible for the biggest wild animal welfare disaster in living memory…… Why did the proponents of this mindless piece of legislation in England talk all sensible and practical amendments out of time in parliament? Why was the idea of an amended wild mammals protection bill, calling for the general protection of all wild mammals from undue suffering, also talked out of the commons? Why did the hunting act have to be forced through parliament by inappropriate use of the parliament act, described as ‘the most illiberal act of the last century’ by one of our most distinguished parliamentarians, Roy Jenkins (Labour and Social Democrats)? The answer to those questions is quite simply (freely… Read more »

True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Fox hunting truly serves no useful purpose, much like sport and trophy hunting in general. To all those who still do it: hey, what did that fox ever do to you?

Monro
2 years ago

Fox hunting is the most humane way of selectively dealing with problem foxes preying on lambs, poultry. Shooting wounds thousands of unrecoverable foxes every year, an animal welfare disaster.

Mogwai
2 years ago

Completely agree, True. They tell themselves ( and us ) stories and give excuses to justify it but it’s a seriously barbaric and cruel activity. Much like bull fighting in Spain, how anybody can have a party and gleefully find the suffering being inflicted upon a poor creature for entertainment ( oops, soz…”tradition”! ) value makes these people disgusting psychopaths. There is no justification. None. You want to hunt or cull an animal then you do so in the most humane way possible, which minimizes suffering. Hunting a small mammal down by terrorizing it with a herd of horses, pack of dogs and people accompanying on foot until it meets a terrible, grisly end does not meet my definition of ”minimizing suffering”. Then there’s the cubs that inevitably get torn to shreds…People who find this enjoyable and a ‘sport’ make me sick.

You’re probably already aware of this lady who goes around saving foxes from fur farms in the US. She deserves a medal. So many adorable videos of her rescues and these beautiful animals all have their own little characters. Just gorgeous, but everybody knows Finnegan fox;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh-4I2pggNo&ab_channel=SaveAFox

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

I have rarely read such nonsense. You would not ignore evidence regarding covid vaccines etc and yet you completely ignore the evidence that I have provided above. Hunting kills aged and infirm foxes quickly; fit and healthy foxes easily evade foxhounds. Shooting wounds 45% of foxes fired at. Problem foxes kill lambs, poultry kept by smallholders, often amongst the poorest in the land and must be controlled. Hunting is the most selective and humane way of killing problem foxes, aged and infirm foxes often wounded by shooting. The hunting act is widely acknowledged to be an animal welfare catastrophe. Nothing has been done about it because it was never about hunting in the first place, as I show above. ‘Peter Mandelson, the peer and former Labour MP, said the former prime minister included a commitment to hold a free vote on hunting with dogs in Labour’s 1997 manifesto after receiving money from an animal welfare fund. Blair has said the foxhunting ban, which was finally enacted in 2004, was one of the policies he most regrets….. Mandelson was speaking during a discussion on whether political donations can affect policy on the Times Radio podcast How to Win an Election. He said: “I… Read more »

Lockdown Sceptic
2 years ago

Net Zero Pets The New Target – latest leaflet to print at home and deliver to neighbours or forward to politicians, media, friends online. 

10a-Net-Zero-Pets-The-New-Target-MONOCHROME-copy
Heretic
Heretic
2 years ago

No, that’s not why dogs should be banned from public spaces, or muzzled, as they are in countries like Austria.

Jack Russells killed a week-old baby in London, 1986, and another in Telford, 2012. Staffies killed a London man, 45, in 2003; a County Durham man, 33, in 2009; a Manchester girl, 14, in 2013; a Liverpool woman, 43, in 2014; and a Cumbrian man, 45, in 2016, to name but a few.

“Researchers at the University of Liverpool with Public Health England recently estimated the total cost of dog attacks to the NHS, using hospital attendance and admissions data in England. Publishing their findings in Scientific Reports last year, they estimated direct costs of treatment to be more than £25m for the financial year 2017-18. Estimates for total costs of hospital attendance and admissions amounted to more than £70m for the same period.”

Rising fatalities, injuries, and NHS costs: dog bites as a public health problem British Medical Journal 27 April 2023

https://www.bmj.com/content/381/bmj.p879#:~:text=Researchers%20at%20the%20University%20of%20Liverpool%20with%20Public,more%20than%20%C2%A325m%20for%20the%20financial%20year%2023

That means the NHS had to spend nearly £100,000,000 in one year alone to treat victims of dog attacks.

Lockdown Sceptic
2 years ago

Monday morning Sopwith Rd & Harvest Ride Warfield Bracknell 

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True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago

“Net Zero” should simply be shortened to “NERO”

WyrdWoman
2 years ago

Please give thought to Julian Assange today and tomorrow as his final appeal against extradition goes to court.

Stella Assange interview yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIm4aIcJWig

John Mearsheimer (amongst many others) appeal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN_Shacd2Iw

Mogwai
2 years ago

Shout out to the farmers in Spain who are still revolting with no plans to let up; ”For 11 days in a row, Spanish farmers have blocked highways and ports, dumping cheaply imported Moroccan vegetables and cereals on the roads and marching with tractors into the centers of large cities. Farmers took over Santander on the weekend, while this Wednesday, farmers plan to hold tractor marches and protests in Andalusia, Extremadura, and Castilla and León, with media reports warning of additional road closures and blockaded roads in these regions. Last week, on Wednesday, Spanish protesters paralyzed traffic for hours at the port of Motril in southern Spain, where a large part of Morocco’s fruit and vegetable shipments arrive. Several of the vans stuck inside had their holds opened and tomatoes found inside were thrown onto the road in protest at cheap imports of agricultural products from Morocco, which do not meet EU standards. Meanwhile, scores of farmers with tractors and human chains have blocked the busiest highways in Spain, and have also made crossing the Spanish-French border at La Jonquera difficult for more than two days. The farmers’ mass protest, planned for Madrid on Feb. 21, is expected to cause major disruptions… Read more »

huxleypiggles
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Much respect for these brave Spanish farmers.

‘No farmers No food.’

soundofreason
soundofreason
2 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

In the BBC news today:
Gloucestershire vertical farm is one of UK’s ‘most advanced’
Great. We can now grow salad and herbs all year in the UK. We can have the L and T in our BLTs. What about wheat or other staple foods? Dairy? Meat?

This cannot be the future of most farming.

One thing they don’t mention: I bet they increase the CO2 levels inside the warehouse in order to boost growth.

Not food farming. Garnish growing.

Free Lemming
2 years ago

“Labour vows to ‘eliminate’ fox hunting”

I disagree with almost every goal of tearing up tradition – I think tradition is the bedrock of a functional society – but elites hunting a fox on horseback, with a pack of excited dogs eager to hunt and to kill, while the animal being pursued runs in complete panic for its life, knowing the odds are it will die being ripped apart by a pack of frenzied hounds (although sometimes through sheer exhaustion), isn’t a tradition I want to uphold. It’s elitist cruelty and not something I will ever support.

soundofreason
soundofreason
2 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Support? No.

Support others’ right to support? Yes.

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

They are not ‘elites’, many are farmers, farm workers, equestrian workers. Some follow on foot. Hill packs hunted problem foxes on foot.

Hunting selectively swiftly kills aged and infirm foxes that would otherwise die (and do now, after the Hunting Act) a slow and lingering death alone underground. Fit and healthy foxes are too smart and elusive even for the best foxhounds.

Shooting is not similarly selective and wounds thousands of foxes every year that cannot be recovered due to the Hunting Act two dog follow up limit.

You are complicit in an inhuman, barbaric, animal welfare disaster.

huxleypiggles
2 years ago

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/andrew-bridgen-tells-james-roguski-we-must-just-say-no/

Video of the Interview. Transcript embedded. The indomitable Andrew Bridgen.

Mogwai
2 years ago

With regards to our Iranian friend in the video above, the Met police have released a statement justifying their picking on him. Yes it was his fault for being provocative and therefore his fault he got sticks and soil lobbed at him from a load of triggered terrorist supporters. What this chap needs is some allies. I’d laugh my bits off if he turned up on Saturday with 50 mates. What would the bent bizzies do then??;

https://twitter.com/GhorbaniiNiyak/status/1759732475419340955

Jon Garvey
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

“Mr Nkozi was arrested and held overnight in police cells for being provocative by being black in a whites only area. He had only himself to blame that the lynch mob almost got him.”

EppingBlogger
2 years ago

“Labour has vowed to eliminate fox hunting within its first five years in power, saying there is not a majority in “any part of the country” that wants it to continue,”

Will they apply the same logic to immigration. That requires them to stopp legal immigration and require all future illegal arrivals to live solely in London?

Heretic
Heretic
2 years ago
Reply to  EppingBlogger

That is an absolutely brilliant point, and one we can all use in communicating to our MPs.

Heretic
Heretic
2 years ago

Mass immigration is bringing a European-style populist revolt to Ireland
At long last, the Irish are rising against their real enemy, instead of always against the English. Ethnic Europeans worldwide are all in this together.

Wildlife campaigners worry about providing “safe havens” for wildlife in danger of extinction. Maybe they should look at their own situation.

Grim Ace
Grim Ace
2 years ago

What is common across all the wokeness in the newsm tems above, is that this is essentially communism and nazism being enacted in our societies. The nazis took control of their societies and so did the communists. One way they did this was to take control of the media and entertainment and embed control ‘messages’ into the content. It is as plain as day that we are becoming a communist/nazi-fied society.
The economy in particular is being nazi-fied: companies are being controlled to do the bidding of government policies, even under the tories, and/or by pressure group wokeness threats. It will be very much worse under Stalin Starmer and his comm-nazis.
See Tik History on YouTube for more fascinating detail on how the nazis were a branch of socialism (not capitalists!l