What Green Jobs?

Most political parties in the U.K. sell the new green revolution by pointing to all the new skilled jobs that will be created. The British Government looks to produce no fewer than two million such ‘green’ jobs by 2030. But there is little sign of all these new opportunities. The Office for National Statistics (ONS) recently reported that there were 526,000 green jobs in 2020, but they include workers in the waste business, electric vehicles, education and management of Government bodies. Back in the day we would have called people working in such occupations dustmen, mechanics, teachers and bureaucrats. Most of the jobs being claimed simply stick a ’green’ label on either existing occupations, or are people switching, as in the transport business, to working on new products.

There are also a large number of ‘make work’ jobs listed in the ONS report including environmental charities, environment-related education, in-house environmental activities and environmental consultancy. Speculative ventures that are unlikely to turn into significant future businesses such as hydrogen supply and carbon capture and storage are included.

About 10% of the green jobs are to be found in charities, while many other occupations in waste collection, water treatment, repairs and forest management have always existed. Work on making more energy efficient products is hardly a new activity. It is probably not an exaggeration to state that the ‘great reset’ under way in the collectivist Net Zero project has barely created more than 150,000 genuine new jobs in the U.K. But the economic damage is mounting steadily. Across Europe, the high price of energy caused by a transition to unreliable wind is causing significant de-industrialisation, while the food production industry is facing potential collapse with a green war on fertiliser and meat production. Try telling 3,000 redundant steel workers in Port Talbot and the farmers who have been blocking roads across the continent that they are in the forefront of an exciting new green industrial revolution.

People are starting to twig. Gary Smith runs the GMB union which is heavily represented in manufacturing industries, and he recently noted the small number of jobs that are being produced by green technology. In an interview in the Spectator, he said that communities along the North Sea can see wind farms, “but they can’t point to the jobs”. He added that much of the green work seemed to be either London-based lobbying or clearing away the animal casualties of wind farm blades. “It’s usually a man in a rowing boat, sweeping up the dead birds,” he observed.

At least the ONS is trying to identify actual green jobs that have been created. Windy politicians can take more creative liberties – step forward London mayor Sadiq Khan, Chairman of the sinister green billionaire-funded C40 group of around 100 city mayors. He told the UN Climate Ambition Summit last year that “new data” from C40 revealed that over 14 million green jobs have been created in 53 C40 cities alone. Of course there are those who understandably start counting the spoons whenever Khan starts talking about stats and data these days, so it is instructive to see what the Mayor’s own contribution in London is to this highly improbable jobs total. In 2020, he launched London’s Green New Deal fund with £10 million to “support” around 1,000 green jobs. Other ambitions include tackling the ‘climate emergency’ and addressing inequalities. The cynical might observe that this is a drop in the bucket for an economic stimulus, let alone stopping the climate changing and providing woke solutions to the ever-expanding list of victim causes. If there are any new job details provided they tend to feature insulating homes, which in the case of London’s drafty Victorian housing stock is likely to need billions of pounds rather than Khan’s paltry figure.

More details of Khan’s supposed green jobs can be gained by examining the funding that he has given to a number of skills hubs to prepare London for the expected tsunami of green opportunities. The hub lead is the Capital City College Group covering 12 London boroughs, and it says it will “focus on green occupations in the construction sector including roles in waste and recycling management, off-site manufacturing and pre-fabrication, gas engineers and heating/plumbing technicians and electric vehicle charging point installations”. None of these jobs are new except installing EV charging stations. This latter occupation is a displacement activity since a higher number of EVs on the road will lead to fewer jobs installing and maintaining petrol pumps and the delivery of fuel. Indeed it can be argued that much of the money collected for green activity is displacement since it removes genuine job-creating wealth from the private sector and pours it into vast subsidies and second-rate jobs in uneconomic, inferior technologies.

Back on Planet Reality, the threads are unravelling on the insane Net Zero project. Politicians, belatedly, are starting to realise that removing hydrocarbons from an advanced modern society will send humanity back to the caves, as explained by COP28 President Sultan Al-Jaber. Even the BBC has cottoned on with Laura Kuenssberg asking if, in the wake of the opposition Labour party ditching its £28 billion a year green commitment,  “the politics of climate change [are] going out of fashion”?

The journalist Ross Clark has written an excellent review of the obvious retreat from Net Zero for Net Zero Watch, noting that the project was always going to require a multitude of new technologies, “many of which have yet to be invented or scaled up to commercial operation”. Already, he notes, many of the potential solutions such as hydrogen heating have started to fall by the wayside before they have been established. Reliance is being placed on an ever-smaller pool of technologies, and many of these, too, are creaking under the weight of expectation, such as wind and solar energy, he writes.

Net Zero might be starting to fall, but it seems there are still plenty of ‘charity’ jobs in the green economy. Or more accurately, activist work in operations funded by elite green billionaires intent on promoting a wealth and job destroying supra-national reset of global civilisation.

Chris Morrison is the Daily Sceptic’s Environment Editor.

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wokeman
wokeman
2 years ago

In a purely market driven economy the number of green jobs would be zero. Also more importantly defund Zalensky!

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  wokeman

Defund Zelensky……and then spend a great deal more policing the new iron curtain……

Great plan……or not really…..

wokeman
wokeman
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

It’s not been cheap, and I don’t see why I should keep paying the wages of the highest paid actor in the world. Is Putler about to storm in to Poland having taken years being bogged down in Ukraine?

The point where delaying Putin in Ukraine even if that was ever a good idea is long since past. 400000 dead Ukrainians, do we fight to the last one?

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  wokeman

Poland has just bought 1250 new tanks.

Maybe they know a bit more than you do?

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Monro

Poland used to buy Russian tanks, and now they are buying American. Rather proves my earlier point.

Monro
2 years ago

1000 of them are from Korea, only 250 from the U.S.

That’s because we won the Cold War, so the ‘peace dividend’ meant billionaires could invest in nut zero instead of defence companies.

MIC is ‘so yesterday’.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Monro

As I understand it they are being built by South Korea to Polish specification with a view to ultimately building them in Poland.
250 Abrams is no small order and makes no difference in principle to my argument

Monro
2 years ago

Get real. The reason 1000 are coming from Korea, some fully built, some in components for local assembly and only 250 are coming from the U.S. is because the U.S. couldn’t supply any more within the required time frame because the U.S. ‘MIC’ doesn’t exist any more. Those ‘MIC’ factories are now building windmills……

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Monro

You win. If only to stop this thread hijack.

Monro
2 years ago

There are no winners re Putin…….only losers…..like him.

varmint
2 years ago

Yes isn’t it supposed to be about GREEN JOBS? ——I see 71 comments but only about 20 are about jobs, the rest is rants about Russia? ——-No wonder the phony planet savers are getting away with their eco socialist crap when even on the DS, the readers are incapable of focussing on the real problem, which is our impoverishment based on junk science, manipulated climate data and evidence free claims of a climate crisis.

wokeman
wokeman
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Yeah I’m sure someone has made alot of money.

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  wokeman

Here you go:

The largest stockholders of Hyundai are major holdings, including KIA Corporation with a 26.20% stake in the company, and Hyundai Rotem Company, which controls 7.03%. Internal investors such as Hyundai Mobis Co. Ltd. control 8.73%, and the National Pension Service of Korea has about 3.11% of Hyundai’s shares. The largest individual shareholders include the present CEO, Euisun Chung with a 1.07% stake in the company, and the present GCOO, José Muñoz has about 0.000952% of Hyundai’s shares.’

stewart
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

I suspect that what a few Polish bureaucrats know is how to make hay when the sun is shining and get some extra lucrative contracts with defense contractors… if you know what I mean.

What they definitely don’t know is how.many tanks are needed to stave off a Russian invasion were it to occur.

Not that it matters because everyone knows that’s.not going to happen. So the actual number needed is zero.

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Okay. Let’s see….countries on Russia and Belarus western border: Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Finland. Ukraine – invaded by Russia 2014, 2022 Belarus – absorbed into the Russian ‘Union State’ 2023 Latvia – invaded by Russia 1940 and occupied. Estonia – invaded by Russia 1940 and occupied Poland – invaded by Russia 1939, by Russo-Polish forces 1956 Finland – invaded by Russia 1939, Karelian isthmus still Russian. Never going to happen again……of course not……….. Or maybe deterrence might be a good idea, you know, just in case…. They know exactly how many they need, 1,000 for a Polish Army Corps and 250 for a U.S. armoured division to fly in and use. Britain will contribute a Mech. Division, equipment based in Germany for depth. ‘Montefiore said Putin’s Ukraine invasion was inspired by the subjects of one of his books that documents Russia’s longest-reigning empress Catherine the Great and her lover Potemkin. Montefiore says that it’s his only work that he knows Putin has read because he discussed it with George W. Bush when the US president visited St Petersburg. It charts Potemkin’s annexation of Crimea and conquering of some of southern Ukraine, creating the cities of Kherson, Mikolaev and Odesa… Read more »

NeilParkin
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

I think we can put a line through your examples of Russian invasions carried out before my Grandad was a lad. which brings us to, err, Ukraine. The one and only incursion that needs to be considered.

Putin is long on history and I understand his point re Ukraine. Thats not that I support it, but I can understand it. He has made no noises about invading Poland and Germany, and frankly I doubt he has the resources to do so anyway, probably for ten years or more. Poland
has done what we should all do. State its borders, and have the resources to defend them if need-be.

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

No, we cannot put a line through them, just as this country does not put a line through WW2. What a very smug and complacent, uninformed thing to say. People, Peoples, families, in particular, rightly, have long memories. ‘Over the last few weeks, I have visited these museums as I’ve driven from Warsaw in Poland, through the Suwalki Gap, to the northernmost capital of Tallinn, in Estonia. Each museum has its own idiosyncrasies – the Lithuanian one in Vilnius is housed in the old KGB headquarters with exhibitions in the former torture and execution chambers in the building’s basement – but the overarching message is the same: remember, and by remembering, ensure that this never happens again.’ ‘The Nazi occupation’s trail of destruction can be found as you pass through the region, including the site of the Treblinka Extermination Camp in Poland, where up to 900,000 Jews were murdered. Across the Baltic states, around 90 per cent of the pre-war population of Jews were killed. As the tide of the war turned and the Nazis experienced defeats on both Eastern and Western Fronts, the Soviets reoccupied all three Baltic states in 1944. However, as Western Europe, the United States and Australia… Read more »

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

“Poland has just bought 1250 [US and Korea made] tanks”

They also bought a load of “vaccines”. No corruption there, either, no no no!

Monro
2 years ago

Who knows about any corruption regarding the arms deal? If you have any information, I’d be interested to see it. As far as I can see, Poland is in a hurry to re-arm and is buying a lot of second hand kit to get it into service quickly…….before the Suwalski corridor is forcibly closed, no doubt……. ‘It is planned to increase the number of main battle tanks to 1,600, of which approximately 1,000 are to be purchased from South Korea, which means that Poland would have more of them than the total of Great Britain, France, Germany, Spain and Italy. Defense spending is expected to rise to well over 3 percent this year. GDP, and according to some calculations they will even exceed 4%, which would be the highest level in NATO. “We are doing this to create a level of deterrence that will discourage Putin from attacking Poland,” said former Defense Minister Mariusz Błaszczak, during whose term the expansion of the armed forces was initiated, in an interview with the Times. He stressed that it was high time for other countries in Europe to do the same. “I am aware that huge military spending is a huge burden on the budget. But… Read more »

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Monro

Certainly defund Z, but I am afraid the Iron Curtain is a western construct that has been created by the US in order to boost its MIC and reduce increasing market penetration by Russian businesses. Why do you think all those Russian oligarchs were sanctioned?

Monro
2 years ago

Errrr……because they are criminals…..?

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

‘Built in 1949 at the start of the Cold War the curtain had the ostensible purpose of keeping ‘imperialist agents’ from sneaking in and endangering a country saved from the greed of capitalism. In truth it was built to prevent escape attempts by the thousands upon thousands who had had enough of the great Socialist, and, eventually Communist-built, ‘promised land’. 

In the first six months of 1956, at the apex of Communist terror, seven hundred escape attempts were successfully thwarted by the Iron Curtain: an overwhelming military presence with machine gun towers at every mile, trained dogs, and a 10-foot-wide freshly ploughed strip of grass riddled with land mines between two eight-foot-tall barbed wire fences.

Nobody escaped.

Some were blown up by landmines, some were shot as they approached the barbed wire fence, and others were just caught, imprisoned, and sent to the gulags never to return.
But on Friday 13 July everything changed.

Seven desperate young Hungarians, myself included, successfully penetrated the impenetrable Iron Curtain on that day. We escaped to the West, carrying out our spectacular – and unbelievable – plan by going over the curtain, rather than through it.’

Frank Iszak: Freedom Flight

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Monro

That was the old iron curtain, I thought you brought up the iron curtain as the NEW iron curtain. The above quotation is entirely irrelevant.

Monro
2 years ago

You asserted that the iron curtain was a western construct.

I visited it and I can assure you that it was not, as can Frank Iszak….

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Monro

Can you not read? My assertion was that the New curtain is a Western construct.
In fact the original was a Western cobstruct (by Winston Ghurchill) before the Communists obliged him by making it a physical barrier.
I also visted it in the early 60s. In the German village where I went it was not physical, and neither was there a line on the ground, it was simply a line on the map which in this case ran through the middle of a partially demolished house.

Monro
2 years ago

You can’t even read your own posts.

There is no new iron curtain, most particularly because Putin’s invasion is bogged down in Eastern Ukraine.

I saw the goon towers, guard dogs, razor wire and anti personnel mines. I eyeballed the goons on the original iron curtain.

If you think all that was to oblige Churchill, you are a raving lunatic.

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

There was a documentary called something like ‘Europe’s Forgotten Wall’ about how people would risk their lives to escape. What shocked me was the Guards on the fence who committed suicide in huge numbers, had limited holiday breaks and had to be in uniform at all times.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Monro

Yet we were happy to host them in London and elsewhere in the West for decades. Did the West suddenly have a damascene conversion and why did they stop at just Russian oligarchs? We have plenty of rich shifty operators in the West (Biden’s son included).

Monro
2 years ago

What’s your point?

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Monro

Getting a straight answer.

Monro
2 years ago

That’s not a point, is it; just a bit of silliness.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Monro

No, no. You are getting confused by your own disruptive posts.

Monro
2 years ago

More silliness…..

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
2 years ago

Yes we should concentrate on our own oligarchs like Gates, Blair to name a few.

wokeman
wokeman
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Putin is not Stalin. You need to get yr head round that.

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  wokeman

No, Stalin is dead. You need to get your head around that.

wokeman
wokeman
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Yr entire logic is Putin is Stalin. That’s beyond vacuous. Even if your un-evidenced assertion was he’s about to invade Poland were true, surely arming up NATO would be a wiser strategy rather than killing every last Ukrainian? I will bet you any sum of money you like Russia will not invade Poland in the next 10 years, put yr money where yr mouth is.

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  wokeman

You wouldn’t understand logic if it came up and smacked you in the face.

We know Putin will build another iron curtain because intelligence in the form of documents from inside the Kremlin make it abundantly clear – nothing to do with the late Mr J Stalin (although we also know Putin is a fan of J.S.).

‘Stalin is a weapon in the battle between Russia and the West……(criticizing Stalin is) not just anti-Soviet but is also Russophobic, aimed at dividing and defeating Russia.’

RIA Novosti

‘(Putin)’s not crazy at all, he’s projecting a vision of Russia that he was brought up with that many people in Russia still adhere to – a vision of the Russian state as an empire that has to expand, and expansion is how you judge leaders’

Montefiore

wokeman
wokeman
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Stop the ad hominem this isn’t the guardian. The rest of your post is assertion without evidence so can be happily dismissed by Hitchens razor. It’s total codswallop to claim Putin is admiring of Stalin, that’s not a winning strategy within Russia since Stalin is seen positively militarily but negatively domestically by most Russians, IE he was a good war leader but a terrible ruler. I know many Russians so this view is based on actual conversations with them.

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  wokeman

If the cap fits….

Of course Putin admires Stalin and many other Russian strong men.

‘Montefiore said that while Putin’s autocratic ways fit with the pattern of Russian rulers, the former KGB agent was not quite a tsar but instead a populist, “fusing the grandeur of Romanov autocrats, the mystery of communist dictators with hi-technology and the gaudy nationalistic showmanship of a Hunger Games rally”.

“It’s not quite a tsar, it’s not quite Stalin, it’s something 21st century. He’s of our time, but he’s also very old-fashioned,” he said. “A man of empire.’

‘I know many Russians’ is not an argument…….

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Monro

Tucker Carlson: The threat I think you were referring to is Russian invasion of Poland, Latvia – expansionist behavior. Can you imagine a scenario where you send Russian troops to Poland?

Vladimir Putin: Only in one case: if Poland attacks Russia. Why? Because we have no interest in Poland, Latvia or anywhere else. Why would we do that? We simply don’t have any interest. Its just threat mongering.

From the horse’s mouth a few days ago.

Monro
2 years ago

Well done (or not really) for believing the guy who said, 14 June 2021:

‘KEIR SIMMONS: Will you commit now not to send any further Russian troops into Ukrainian sovereign territory?

VLADIMIR PUTIN: Look, we— did we— did we say that we were planning to send our armed formations anywhere? We were conducting war games on— in our territory. How can this not be clear? I’m saying it again because I want your audience to hear it, your— listeners to hear it— both on the screens of their televisions and on the internet.’

‘KEIR SIMMONS: —a direct question? Did you order Alexei Navalny’s assassination?

VLADIMIR PUTIN: Of course not. We don’t have this kind of habit, of assassinating anybody.’

Putin is all about expediency, what works for him at any given moment.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Monro

You have an opinion, fair enough. So do I. It doesn’t automatically make either of us right.
You seem to take it as a given that every utterance by Putin is a lie, yet you seem to believe every assertion by Western media as the truth.
That is naive to say the least.

Monro
2 years ago

I wouldn’t be on here if I had much faith in ‘Western media’.

Putin is a compulsive liar in the same way that Talleyrand was a liar: ‘The only principle is to have none’.

I have shown you that Putin is a liar. Navalny even rang up, recorded on camera, and spoke to the goon who put Novichok in Navalny’s clothing.

To believe in Putin when all the evidence is against you is a great deal worse than naive. It is criminally insane.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Monro

I seem to be missing the evidence, Give an example or two which is verifiable,
To me the “evidence” is as convincing as that for clobal warming and Covid vaccine efficacy.

Monro
2 years ago

My quotes from the NBC Putin interview 2021 refer.

Try reading…….

wokeman
wokeman
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

So is virtually every member of the US Congress, I don’t propose confiscating their wealth however.

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  wokeman

No idea what you are talking about

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Because there are no criminals in the US, nor the West in general.

🥴

Monro
2 years ago

Power corrupts….and absolute power corrupts absolutely……

wokeman
wokeman
2 years ago

The iron curtain existed but only as a result of the Stalinist era and his response to Hitler. If you’d fought off Adolf you’d not feeling like handing that territory to uncle Sam. Sort of understandable, unfortunately he was a murdering crazy communist. Putin is a dictator but he is not Stalin or anything close, he’s more intelligent and evidently loves the idea of Russia seeing himself as an heir to the Russ/Tsar.

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  wokeman

Putin aspires to another iron curtain.

FSB strategy documents regarding Moldova show that

The strategy document of the Presidential Directorate for Cross-Border Cooperation, a subdivision of Putin’s Presidential Administration, which was established 2018. The directorate’s task is to exert control over neighboring countries that Russia sees as in its sphere of influence: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine and Moldova.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Monro

I have spent the last couple of weeks in SE Asia with a Russian woman and part of the time with her parents. Surprisingly they had no problem getting past “Putin’s Iron Curtain” and continue to enjoy holidays abroad. I heard as many Russian people and Brits whilst away.
She has visited UK once since the SMO started. She is unable to get a visa to visit USA.
It would seem to be Biden’s Iron Curtain rather than Putin’s

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago

Agree in principle but the Iron Curtain was passable too, particularly to the East. My father did it in 1973, under the pretext of going on holiday to Turkey (in reality on his way to emigrate to England). The Iron Curtain was also physically porous in more places than not. And if you knew the right people the curtain was never closed for you.

Monro
2 years ago

The new iron curtain clearly isn’t in place yet. It is unlikely to be in place for another ten years…..but that, undoubtedly, is the plan.

About one million Russians were able to leave that country in 2022.

Sorry to hear of U.S. visa problems but, given that roughly 2.5 million entered the U.S. illegally last year, Biden clearly doesn’t have much of an iron curtain either.

Has your Russian friend tried the Rio Grande crossing?

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Monro

My friend has no overriding desire to visit now; she has a very comfortable life in SE Asia and can visit her family at home whenever she wants.

Monro
2 years ago

Delighted to hear it.

As I say, there is no ‘new’ iron curtain because Putin’s invasion is bogged down in Eastern Ukraine.

FerdIII
2 years ago

No jobs created and in reality there is only a destruction of jobs (see steel, manufacturing, machinery etc all subsidised by government via taxes, debt or printed plastic)
– but lots of money laundering.
Rona – money laundering.
The endless Uketopian war – money laundering.
Green Fascism – money laundering.
I am just an extremist, idiot, denier, moron, granny-killer, but I spot a pattern.

wokeman
wokeman
2 years ago
Reply to  FerdIII

Yep, the answer to 99 out of 100 questions is money, in the 3 above examples they are simply mechanisms to steal off tax payers and funnel money variously to the elites/super rich.

Monro
2 years ago

Elite green billionaires got that way because they know that eco-activism is a powerful lobby to keep governments, public money, on the green bandwagon in which they, the elite, have invested huge sums of money of their own and are, in return, being paid even huger sums of money from us via a government/public sector that takes its cut.

That’s why there is no money left to look after those who most need it or for anything else.

Nut zero is a major reason why few will be voting…..

If the conservatives want to recover, ditch nut zero….but they will not so they must face the consequences.

And after that, nut zero will scupper Sir Rodney Kneelalot Beer Korma……

stewart
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

What else is used to scare people into accepting huge amounts of public spending that has no benefit to ordinary people?

Let me think… hmm… can you think of anything?

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  stewart

We can definitely agree on that.

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
2 years ago
Reply to  stewart

War is one but this thread has already been hijacked by Ukraine/Russia conflict. The US are the biggest peddlers of conflict going back before WW2. I digress.

CircusSpot
CircusSpot
2 years ago

Plus thousands of small businesses having to close because of the increasing energy costs.

RTSC
RTSC
2 years ago

I feel desperately sorry for the people of Port Talbot, but the deliberate destruction of their town by the Eco Zealots is going to be a salutary lesson for the apathetic electorate which tends to meekly go along with all the nonsense the Establishment is pushing at them.

The Smart Meter roll-out has stalled, with only 57% of homes equipped with the means to have their power supply shut off remotely.

EV cars are left unsold on the forecourt and manufacturers / fleet buyers are “stepping back.”

They can’t bribe householders with a £7000 contribution towards a heat pump, because the actual installation cost is at least three times that for most properties.

Plant-based foods are left on the supermarket shelves and vegan restaurants are selling meat-based meals in order to survive.

What the Establishment thought would be the unstoppable force of the Net Zero Lunacy has come up against the immovable rock of the people.

The old bat
2 years ago
Reply to  RTSC

It’s just so ridiculous (there are other words!) that the government is pushing things we don’t want, like EV’s and heat pumps. If something is good, innovative and useful you have to hold back the hordes from buying it, and they will buy find a way to buy it, despite the cost, because no one wants to be left out when there’s something wonderful available. No one wants to spend their money on items that simply don’t do the advertised job. This is obvious to Jo public, but not to the morons in parliament.

10navigator
10navigator
2 years ago
Reply to  The old bat

As a commenter wrote last week in the DT. Imagine an alternative world where only electric vehicles exist and somebody invents the internal combustion engine. Cars are halved in weight, prices fall by a half, they can take a charge in five minutes, and run twice as far on that charge as an EV. The demand would be such that they’d be flying off the garage forecourts. EVs would be finished!

varmint
2 years ago
Reply to  10navigator

Yes and it would be claimed we need to “save the planet” and phase out the Lithium pollution by 2030. —-Notice that it is always about saving the planet no matter what is going on. Whether it is a new ice age or a climate crisis “We must act now”

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
2 years ago
Reply to  RTSC

Before it was called Agenda21 now Agenda 2030. I wish people would refer to its actual name.

The old bat
2 years ago

I can’t see EV’s and their production etc providing much employment in the future. As a technology I think they are already shot. They have almost nothing to recommend them, other than for green virtue signalling. If I was a betting person I would predict the very swift decline in the manufacture and use of EV’s over the next couple of years, and all it would take to see them off completely would be a fatal fire caused by an EV battery. How lucky was it that none of the E buses that have so far gone up in smoke weren’t actually full of people? Or how about a similar fire on the car deck of a ferry or a chunnel train, or in the parking spaces under a block of flats?

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  The old bat

Go electric, make more jobs for firemen.

huxleypiggles
2 years ago

😀😀😀

Dinger64
2 years ago

Go electric, make more jobs in China!😏

wokeman
wokeman
2 years ago
For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  wokeman

Glazier
My wife’s ancestors are Glazer, or Glaiser, from S Germany some 150 years ago.

varmint
2 years ago
Reply to  The old bat

Yet we are to stop making new petrol and diesel cars in 2035. This will almost certainly have to be knocked further and further back or eventually the squirmers will have to offer them at half price. This is the trouble with everything GREEN. It always requires huge sums of our own money. We pay for it all. Yet it has long been known that people know best how to spend their own money rather than governments deciding how we should spend it. If electric cars, solar panels and heat pumps are so fantastic we won’t need to be bribed. We will be queuing up for them.

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago
Reply to  The old bat

There have already been many accidents which resulted in fatalities because of the battery. Accidents which would have been survivable were it not for the unquenchable conflagration which immediately ensued. And the fact that firemen can’t open the doors on many Teslas when they’re on fire, because of the way the mechanisms are overly dependent upon electricity.

There are many fatalities which are directly attributable to batteries, but the media has been for many years mainly quiet on the subject… we here know why that is.

There are some exceptions, though, and the tide is turning a little now:

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-deaths?amp

For a fist full of roubles

Reclassifying existing jobs as green is the same as the Post Office trying to rebadge itself as Consignia.
It is a case of trying to make silk purses out of sows’ ears.
Meanwhile China is tucking in to the rest of the pig at our expense.

Dinger64
2 years ago

How many green jobs in the west are created by selling Chinese ev’s?
How many by buying Chinese wind turbines and solar panels? (Where the vast majority, if not all, are produced)
China has the lions share of all the so called green jobs, not us!

varmint
2 years ago

In the USA this Green jobs myth is called the “Solyndra Syndrome”. Readers may remember the vast sums of taxpayers money ploughed into the Solar Panel company, that shortly afterwards collapsed. —-New “Green Deals” are all the rage with the Liberal Progressive planet savers. The new jobs never materialise in the way they promise when they lash gargantuan sums of money into this stuff all based on the idea of a climate crisis, which is the language of politics, not of science. Despite politicians claiming they are simply following science, all of this brown envelope Green Energy stuff is saturated in politics. How many of these planet saving niche energy technologies people pump money into political campaigns?—– In reality the jobs lost in reliable energy production (coal oil and gas) far outweigh the meagre amount of jobs created in the planet saving industry, where most of it goes to China.—–I urge people to read Gordon Hughes report for the Global Warming Policy Foundation that lays bare in his “The Myth of Green Jobs”. Capital investment in Green technologies is very high with no good economic arguments for it or that it will create higher levels of employment.

Dinger64
2 years ago

Talking about green things, apparently according to the guardian, there’s too much life now!!😳
What the hell do they want?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/13/flourishing-vegetation-greenland-ice-sheet-alarm-climate-crisis