EV Owners Told to Preheat Cars and Charge Overnight as Teslas Abandoned in U.S.

Owners of electric cars have been warned to keep them charged overnight and warm them before use to avoid getting caught short in the freezing temperatures, as unchargeable Teslas were abandoned in icy Chicago. The Telegraph has more.

Electric cars can lose between 10% and 20% of their range when temperatures drop, as the lithium-ion battery becomes less efficient and drivers switch on features such as the heating, the AA said.

The U.K. had its coldest night of the winter so far this week, with snow and ice keeping hundreds of schools closed yesterday.

But temperatures are expected to rise again into the weekend, and rain will potentially bring floods from Sunday across large parts of the country.

EV drivers should consider keeping their cars plugged in overnight and pre-conditioning the car, which in many models can be done via an app from the comfort of your own home,” said Edmund King, president of the AA.

Colder batteries can take longer to charge, and are less efficient, reducing range.

Tesla drivers in Chicago, where temperatures have reached –34°C, said cars were being abandoned at charging stations as the time taken to recharge stretched from 45 minutes to two hours.

Mr. King added that in the U.K., “most EV drivers are used to the drop in range”, with car displays factoring in the impact of cold weather on mileage estimates.

“We have not seen an increase in breakdowns due to cars being out of charge,” he said.

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huxleypiggles
2 years ago

Oh, it’s nice to have some truly good news for a change.

😄😄😄

RW
RW
2 years ago

Just remember: It’s the hottest snow since 125,000 years¹.

🙂

¹ When early snowfall started in Germany in November last year and large areas of the country got about 1½ feet of snow overnight, the climate changers were quick to point out that – due to climate change – this was unusually warm snow (no joke).

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
2 years ago
Reply to  RW

The only warm snow is where the huskies go….(Don’t you eat that yellow snow…Zappa).

Dinger64
2 years ago

And it’s not always yellow!
I know how this dog feels, when you want to stop and do something else but the world just drags you along with it!

https://youtube.com/shorts/j2zYxhDG9X4?si=txExpOU-81jxPgJ3

thechap
thechap
2 years ago
Reply to  RW

The BBC outdid themselves by claiming that the pothole problem is made worse by Climate Change (TM)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-67957584

varmint
2 years ago
Reply to  thechap

Pigs are now farting up a semi tone due to global warming. We must ACT NOW to stop the pigs farting up a minor third by 2100

Matt Dalby
Matt Dalby
2 years ago
Reply to  varmint

I can almost believe that’s a genuine story given some of the claims made by AGW alarmists. My 2 favourite ones are that warming oceans are making sharks left handed and climate change will make people more likely to wet the bed.

varmint
2 years ago
Reply to  RW

“The hottest snow”——-I was out for a walk yesterday and I have never felt cold so hot as that before. This must be unprecedented data manipulation and according to models we will have refugees fleeing from the data and conflict breaking out all over the world due to all the cold heat. Or is it the hot cold? Whatever, as long as climate policies get put in place and we are all impoverished.

JXB
JXB
2 years ago
Reply to  RW

The wrong sort of global warming?

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago

Poor buggers had better pray for Global Warming 😂😂😂😂😂😂

LOL

Zero sympathy for them, if I’m honest.

RW
RW
2 years ago

Next global warming is due to happen in spring.

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago
Reply to  RW

😆 very good RW 👍

Matt Dalby
Matt Dalby
2 years ago

Some people already have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNV1-VJeeqs

JohnK
2 years ago

A flash in the pan, if you look at the weather forecast for this weekend and into next week.

Arum
Arum
2 years ago
Reply to  JohnK

Yes, beware of heat stroke next week

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago
Reply to  JohnK

Yeah, and then in the summer they get stranded cos the air con uses too much power!

huxleypiggles
2 years ago

😀😀😀

anbak
anbak
2 years ago
Reply to  JohnK

A flash of reality that The Narrative can’t suppress more like.
Of course, in this country we usually only get brief cold spells, but that’s not great if you’ve shelled out 50 grand and you can’t even start the engine! And if you live in continental Europe or America it’s will be many weeks every winter..

NeilofWatford
2 years ago

Preheat?
With what? Solar? Wind?

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

A replica Elon Musk waffling pretengineering overnight.

RTSC
RTSC
2 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

A car-sized hot water bottle?

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
2 years ago

Let’s face it, the EV project is dead as a dead parrot. Hertz have stopped having EVs in their hire fleets, Honda have pledged to stop making them and most garages won’t touch them…and yet….the idiots who are so alarmed by the climate won’t stop shouting their praises. We live in a crazy world where common sense is derided and insanity applauded.

FerdIII
2 years ago

Indeed. EVs are dead. Too expensive, unreliable, batteries that cannot be recycled, enormous replacement costs, not green – gigatonnes of Gaia are raped to find enough lithium for the ion batteries. If the UK converted its 35 million cars to EVs it would eat 1/2 of the world’s lithium output every year. No need to mention the black slave labour mining cobalt etc etc

MTF
MTF
2 years ago

So the Chinese are making a massive error with BYD?

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

The Chinese OWN the Congo.

Apart from that, who knows what the Chinese really think. And the CCP? Ha, forget it, you’ll never know what they’re thinking. I suspect few of the party members do!

And Mr Warren Buffett is hedging, ready to sell his BYD investment, mark my words.

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

I don’t know and I don’t care. As I said elsewhere, if EVs were so great they would not need subsidies from us and legislation to kill the competition.

For a fist full of roubles

Edmund King said pretty much the same on GB News today, telling us that he owns an electric car. He told us that EV owners will never give up their EVs. He then reminded us that he owns a Tesla.He then smirked about how he pities IC car owners when he can turn on his car to preheat before a cold journey using the Tesla app on his phone He has a Tesla, did you know?).
Oh, and he did mention that he is not worried about his Tesla dropping in value because he will keep it for ever.

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
2 years ago

You can’t keep something ‘forever’. At some point it will become something else and, in the case of the Tesla, that will be a heap of useless garbage.

For a fist full of roubles

It is called burying your head in the sand.
He also confused me about preheating. It is supposed to make battery charging more efficient but he implied that it defrosted the car.

Dinger64
2 years ago

And that guy is president of the AA!
So when his car is all warm and toasty using grid electric (and 10 to 20% down from the get go), what happens when he then has to switch on his lights,heater/ac rear window, heated seats during his journey?
He also mentioned he just charges his at home! Well bully for you

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago
Reply to  Dinger64

And if he only charges at home, he isn’t going far in it, is he?! Or maybe he does as this guy, I suppose this isn’t strictly “charging”…:

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JXB
JXB
2 years ago

In North America, ICE cars can be started remotely from indoors by pointing the electronic key out the window at them, so they warm up.

The energy to warm a Tesla must come from the battery. Starting your journey with a part discharged battery in Winter seems not to be a good idea.

MTF
MTF
2 years ago

As the article says, it is a good idea to precondition your battery before charging. Anyhow ICE vehicles also have problems in -34C. According to this link https://electrek.co/2024/01/17/electric-vehicles-fail-lower-rate-than-gas-cars-extreme-cold/ EVs are less likely to be affected by the cold than ICEs. Although this doesn’t allow for age.

FerdIII
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Jesus Christ man, give it up. The anti-science you spout hurts.

MTF
MTF
2 years ago
Reply to  FerdIII

Are you saying some part of what I wrote was false? Or does reading the truth hurt?

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  MTF

Reading the article proves that you see what you want to see.

varmint
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

The “Truth”. —–Fossil fuels have seen the greatest rise in living standards and life expectancy in human history, and we now have more leisure time to enjoy our favourite activities, whether that be watching Netflix or typing stuff about the phony climate crisis on websites like this. ——-I hope you enjoy all the freedoms and prosperity you now have. I personally keep a lump of coal on my mantel just to remind me of the fantastic advances in human well being and prosperity.

Dinger64
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Like for like, keep your ice car in a garage! Problem solved!
And if your about to say “not everyone has a garage ” no ,and not everyone can park their ev on a private drive or garage at home to charge it! Also Manufacturers highly recommend not having your ev in or near your property whilst charging!

MTF
MTF
2 years ago
Reply to  Dinger64

Manufacturers highly recommend not having your ev in or near your property whilst charging!

Are you sure? I see nothing but advice on installing a home charger. Maybe you have a reference.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  MTF

It must be very difficult to reacharge with a home charger and at the same time not be near your home.

MTF
MTF
2 years ago

Exactly. That is why I very much doubt that manufacturers recommend not having your ev in or near your property whilst charging! But maybe I m wrong. I would like to see the reference.

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Manufacturers of BEVs aren’t going to give that advice, now are they, MTF?!

Sorry to get all ad hominem, but I need to ask: are you a genuine thicko, or just a good guy having a bad day (several bad days, if my memory serves me)?

MTF
MTF
2 years ago

I think you’re missing a bit of context. I was responding to Dinger64’s claim that manufacturers recommend not charging EVs near your house. Like you, I thought that unlikely. Whatever my intellectual limitations in this case you share them!

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

‘Ideally, electric vehicle charging, and parking should be located at least 10 m from combustible walls or at least 7.5 m from unprotected openings/extensive glazing in non- combustible walls.’

Zurich.co.uk

MTF
MTF
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

That’s very different from manufacturers recommend not having the car near your house while charging. I don’t know about you but combustible walls are rare round here!

Dinger64
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

What are the fire safety risks for an EV?
One important factor to consider is fire spread to an adjacent building. Given the ferocity of a lithium-ion battery fire, it wouldn’t take long for an EV fire to spread to combustible materials or melt exterior PVC doors and windows in proximity. Another consideration is if an EV on charge was to catch fire, would it impede access and egress from the building?

https://electrical.theiet.org/wiring-matters/years/2023/98-november-2023/electric-vehicle-charging-point-fire-safety-considerations/

The insurance company, Zurich, have produced a useful guidance document to highlight the fire safety risks for EVs. The guidance states that EV charging should take place at least 10 m from combustible walls or at least 7.5 m from unprotected/extensive glazing in non-combustible walls.

just common sense really!

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  MTF

If you read the article you will find that they are referring to roadside breakdowns in Norway and the statistics relate to starting broblems in cold (Scandinavian) weather. It also points out that ICE cars are generally older and more prone to breakdowns due to age.

So trying to score points on the basis of that is pretty futile.

MTF
MTF
2 years ago

Yes. ICEs have problems starting in the cold. EVs have problems charging. There seem to be more of the former in Norway. I noted that it did not adjust for age in my comment.

The broader point is that it is easy to focus on the problems with EVs and forget there are plenty of problems with ICEs. Imagine if EVs came first so charging infrastructure had developed and then someone had this great idea. We have this new technology where vehicles are propelled by a series of small explosions. Of course it requires car carrying around many litres of highly inflammable liquid and that is too dangerous to keep at home. So we will need to build an infrastructure of specially designed places where you can buy the liquid. This technology is a lot more complicated than an EV and the earlier models will be incredibly unreliable and slow but eventually they will be really good at starting in the cold.

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

If EVs are so good, why do they need massive subsidies from us and legislation to prohibit sales of rival products?

Dinger64
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Evs did come first, 1888 I believe and they lasted around 20 odd years before they where steadily dropped by the consumer

In 1888, the German Andreas Flocken designed the Flocken Elektrowagen, regarded by some as the first “real” electric car.

MTF
MTF
2 years ago
Reply to  Dinger64

I remember reading that somewhere but thanks for reminding me. It’s not really relevant is it?

A. Contrarian
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

I think what most people object to – or at least what I object to – is being forced to have an EV by a certain date when I might not want to, no matter the cost or potential inconvenience. For me, it would probably be fine (other than struggling to afford the initial outlay) as I am lucky enough to have a detached house with a driveway and I mostly just potter about at short range in my local area. But I used to live in a small terraced house with on-street parking where you were lucky to park on the same road as your house, let alone within electric cable distance. I agree with TOF, on the whole – if EV’s are the answer, people will see this and buy them (assuming the price can come down), or maybe someone will come up with something better in the near future – but being forced into something suboptimal by the government is not the way to go.

MTF
MTF
2 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

I agree with most of what you say. I think the idea is that in an urban environment there will charging points in lampposts etc but it all seems too uncertain to stop all sales of ICEs

varmint
2 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

That is a crucial point you make. ——I had a discussing with an EV owner who thought I was criticising his EV. I said “I am not criticising the EV, I am criticising the government for trying to coerce me into one”—–The EV after all is simply a piece of technology and it should be prepared to stand on it’s own two feet in the market place where people know best how to spend their own money. But as with all things GREEN we have to be coerced, conned or bribed into it.

godknowsimgood
godknowsimgood
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

That article is not to be taken seriously.

Everywhere in the world, internal combustion engine vehicles fail in the cold a lot more often than electric vehicles, but that’s mostly due to the fact that there are a lot more of them.”

MTF
MTF
2 years ago
Reply to  godknowsimgood

Which is why the article uses data from Norway where there are enough electric cars to compare rates per capita.

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Boy oh boy…

In 2016, when I started seriously investigating Tesla and Elon Musk, I too came across electrek. I used to laugh so hard at the ‘technical analysis’ in his fact-free articles. I then got bored. Clearly he hasn’t! The guy is such a Tesla shill and fanboy, you’d struggle much to hold him back from giving “Elon Himself” oral sex.

MTF
MTF
2 years ago

I am sorry. What exactly is your criticism of the article?

Nigel J Sherratt
Nigel J Sherratt
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

ICE cars’ cold starting is nearly always caused by battery problems. Easily remedied with jump leads and probably a new battery asap. Freezing kills a flat lead acid battery. Does the Norwegian report say how long it took to get the ICE cars going compared to BEVs?

Diesels have cold weather issues too of course. An Iranian friend told me that you see truck drivers building fires under their fuel tanks in the early morning.

https://www.theaa.com/breakdown-cover/advice/diesel-fuel-filter-blocking

MTF
MTF
2 years ago

Yes – different types of vehicle have different problems with cold weather. At -34C I think you might expect a lot of problems across the board.

Nigel J Sherratt
Nigel J Sherratt
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

The forecast temperature in Chicago is down to -20C. Norway is a wealthy country thanks to hydrocarbons so probably up to handling what’s normal weather for them.

Lots of film of how to start a Sabb diesel fishing boat engine online, including use of ‘cigarettes’ when it’s really cold, entertaining and relaxing viewing.

JXB
JXB
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Diesel freezes at low temperatures, so since Europeans tend to have a high number of diesel vehicles this is probably why.

In the US and Canada, diesel powered school bus fleets, for example, are left with their engines running all night.

huxleypiggles
2 years ago

https://www.truthforhealth.org/2024/01/disease-x-weapon-of-fear-for-geopolitical-control-of-humanity/

On a slightly more serious note here’s the latest on ‘Disease X’ which nobody knows anything about because it has not yet been discovered but it is definitely going to be twenty times more deadly than the C1984 although fortunately a “vaccine” is being developed. For a virus that has not been discovered.

Yet.

FFS!

The annual meeting of the World Economic Forum began January 15, 2024 in Davos Switzerland with the predictable fear-mongering broadcasting the WHO/WEF/UN cabal’s continued assault on the health, freedom, and very lives of people around the world.  Although WEF and WHO clearly say this new disease is “hypothetical and unknown” that supposedly can cause TWENTY TIMES more deaths than coronavirus, they are inexplicably preparing “Counter-measures” and “vaccines” for this very hypothetical, unknown disease.

How can anyone create treatments of any kind for an unknown disease? How can anyone predict “20 times more deaths” for an unknown disease?   Clearly in their diabolical arrogance, they think the public is so stupid that we cannot see through this charade and deception.”

huxleypiggles
2 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

I suspect this is what is really going on:

And even more powerfully describing the global predators’ Machiavellian scheme, Dr. William Makis, Canadian research and clinical oncologist, said “I think all the discussion about “Disease X” right now is a distraction to leave most people completely unprepared for a black swan event, that could then immediately initiate a catastrophic financial system collapse (stock markets, banking) in an “exponential manner”. Then, in the midst of a financial catastrophe and chaos, “Disease X” hits, just in time for the WHO Pandemic Treaty to take effect, accompanied by lockdowns and shutdown of all travel.  It would be more pain than most people could handle. And the population would then be begging for the new “Disease X” mRNA vaccine which could easily be made mandatory to continue getting govt’s financial support payments, perhaps in the form of Universal Basic Income, and with a promise that if enough people take the mandatory vaccine, they will release us from lockdowns again.”

huxleypiggles
2 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/03/a-mysterious-disease-x-could-be-the-next-pandemic-to-kill-millions-of-people-heres-how-worried-you-should-be/

And look what those lovely people at the WEF think about the “next” Scamdemic, whoops I mean “pandemic.” Even that world authority on infectious diseases, Melinda Gates is worried.

Gosh.

john1T
2 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

They are not building all those new mRNA “vaccine” plants for nothing. They are going to want a return. The ex head of the CDC, Robert Redfield has said “COVID was the little pandemic, the great pandemic is yet to come”. He thinks it will be a bird flu. He named the lab that had done GOF work on it to make it infect humans. Apparently they published its genome so anyone with a suitably equipped lab can recreate it. Plausible deniability for an intentional leak, or false flag. Start to worry once the new plants come on-stream.

Dinger64
2 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

And people have died having a pan stuck on their head but you can’t sell a vaccine for that!
don’t forget
‘No one is safe until we are all safe’
What a fantastic sale’s ploy that statement is!

Steve-Devon
2 years ago

Betamax strikes again
How will we be travelling 100 years from now? although I will not be round to see, my guess is that it will not with 2 tonne cars running on huge heavy lithium-ion batteries. I cannot predict the future but it does seem to me that running personal transport on these huge heavy lithium-ion batteries is dinosaur technology and that the current range of EVs will be seen as the ‘Betamax’ moment for personal transport.

varmint
2 years ago

I was wondering the other day why everything GREEN is worse and costs more. But then I remembered I already know why. I am afraid that pretending to save planets does not come cheap, and that would not be so bad if it were really about the planet.

RTSC
RTSC
2 years ago

So they don’t work when it’s really cold. The range isn’t what is advertised. They’re too heavy to bump-start. They shouldn’t be driven through ANY floodwater. They cost a fortune to insure. The ability to charge them away from your own home (if you have a driveway) is patchy at best. They have virtually no second-hand value. They have a tendency to suddenly self-combust.

Might as well get a horse and buggy; it would be more reliable.

Peter W
Peter W
2 years ago
Reply to  RTSC

They’re not too heavy to bump start, you can’t bump start an electric motor but just sit and wait for a battery to charge!

Jackthegripper
Jackthegripper
2 years ago

I was stuck in a huge traffic jam yesterday morning, in North Wales where I live we’ve had snow and freezing temperatures for several days. After an accident had been cleared, another jam built up. At the head of the hold up was an out of charge EV stuck in the middle of the road. Presumably, it ran out of charge while stuck in the first hold up.
No way am I giving up my diesel.

JXB
JXB
2 years ago

Many houses in the UK don’t have garages, and park on the street. How do you charge BEVs overnight at these addresses?

I think the cars in Chicago had been charged, that’s how they got to the charging stations. The problem is, at very cold temperatures, the batteries won’t charge.