IPCC Scientists Demand Power to Dictate Global Climate Policy
Scientists at the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have demanded the power to set global climate policy as they despair at the slow pace of climate action. The Guardian has the story.
Five lead authors of IPCC reports told the Guardian that scientists should be given the right to make policy prescriptions and, potentially, to oversee their implementation by the 195 states signed up to the UN framework convention on climate change (UNFCCC).
Their call came after it emerged that the United Arab Emirates had been planning to use its position as COP28 host to strike oil and gas deals .
Sonia Seneviratne, an IPCC Vice-Chair and coordinating lead author since 2012, said: “At some point we need to say that if you want to achieve this aim set by policymakers then certain policies need to be implemented.
“As climate change becomes worse and worse, it is becoming more difficult to be policy relevant without being prescriptive.”
Scientists should be able to call for fossil fuel cuts and phaseouts, she said. The discrepancy between IPCC science and action on the ground was “very difficult for us to understand as scientists because it doesn’t seem to make any sense”.
Gert-Jan Nabuurs, a coordinating lead author on three IPCC reports, said: “The IPCC’s critical, independent and guiding roles seem to be less and less evident. As they decline, countries seem to be exerting a larger and larger influence.”
The problem for authors was that “we can’t be policy prescriptive, so we can’t make hard statements on what should be done”, he said.
Nabuurs questioned the value of continuing to produce assessment reports when “we already know that in five to six years’ time the message is not going to be very different, the problem will still be there, emissions will still be going up, there will be more evidence of impacts and less time to try to stay under 2°C [of heating above pre-industrial levels]”.
Greenhouse gas emissions are on track to rise by 9% by 2030, despite years of warnings from scientists that climate tipping points may be near. Emissions would need to fall by 43% by the decade’s end to meet the Paris climate agreement goal of capping global heating at 1.5°C.
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I thought we’d passed ‘peak stupid’. Clearly not!
Oh, it’s not stupid at all. It’s all very clever – and it doesn’t bode well for us plebs.
Funny how every solution to ‘climate change’ involves the 0.1% unelected elites having more and more power to dictate what the other 99.9% of us can and cannot do.
https://www.takimag.com/article/green-groups-are-no-longer-promoting-a-cleaner-environment/
Yet another group of Supranational Fascists who want to ruin the West.
Defund the UN cesspit now !
I bet of course the Whitehall traitors have already signed us all up to something similar already!!
They saw the power “scientists” were given during COVID and thought “we want some of that!”
It’s the same mob essentially, Ferguson was poking some ER chick during lockdown who was pally with Carrie.
Yeah the climate is entirely controlled by a trace gas that is a mere 0.04% of atmospheric gas, which absorbs infra red on a very narrow spectrum logarithmically (IE the more is added the weaker the additional warming becomes). These ppl are total charlatans operating the greatest grift in all human history, it’s actually global communism. Look how fat the lady is btw, clearly not cutting her oral carbon emissions.
World government. Just another conspiracy theory/cock-up.
As a group “scientists” must be some of the most stupid people I have ever met. There are definitely two distinct camps – the bright, awake and knowledgeable and the qualified but utterly myopic others. Sadly the ones I work with fall in to the latter group. There is a physics PHD completely in awe of climate science. A biochemist, who by the way fell hook, line and sinker for the Scamdemic, who believes “climate change” is going to kill us and anyway there are too many on the planet. A recently retired GP content to go along with the climate nonsense. A mechanical engineer who soaks up all the climate gobbledegook. There are plenty of others. And of course teachers. I had better not start on them. These are all people who should know better but if the BBC says…Well it’s sorted isn’t it?
Depressing.
HP another insightful and accurate comment which reflects my own view of “scientists” and, in fact, most “educated” people.
Of the two camps that you mention, the former, of which I am one, can surely be no more that a few percent?
Thanks for your generous response.
And thank goodness you belong with the “bright, wake and knowledgeable” camp.”
I have racked my brains but to be honest, within my social circle I do not know any ‘scientist’ who would belong in the first category.
We buried a drinking colleague eighteen months ago, a pharmacist who died of turbo cancer – yep, fully boosted. They all are. Well those of my acquaintance are.
Weird.
I’m actually an engineer but pragmatic and open-minded. Fed up with all the BS going around these days and completely disillusioned with the general stupidity of the vast majority of mankind…
Hp is a bit of a legend imo.
Blimey.
Thank you 😊
Ask yr physics PhD why he thinks it’s settled science when the Navier Stokes equations are insoluble. Ask him why he thinks a finite element solution is a good way to model a chaotic non linear system. Then ask him if he’s aware that co2 absorption of infra red is logarithmic on a very narrow spectrum. Then point out the interaction terms which are the entire basis of the scam (feedback loops) in climate models between co2 and WV are un-evidenced experiment free assumptions. Then point out the discrepancy between satellite data which point to 0.7 degree of warming compared to surface temperature datasets which suggest 1.5 degrees, suggest this difference is due to the position of thermometers in urban heat islands. Finally point out we are 40 glaciations in to a deepening ice age, the coolest in 255m years since the Karoo.
Thanks for the info. I could try although I would be properly out of my depth because as a very non-science person I don’t understand your subject.
You can point this stuff out though because it holes the nonsense below the waterline. The geology point is unarguable, also point out it’s cooled 10 degrees since the Eocene and point out we are mammals evolved in the tropics living at uncomfortable latitudes.
Terrific. That’s more my understanding. I’ll have some fun with that tomorrow.
Quite———-But while people on here argue about science. The bureaucrats are busy putting climate policies like NET ZERO in place regardless of the science. They simply proclaim what is true and base policy on that “Official Science”
A really good description of all the points they will be unable to answer. I have tried this too, and I am afraid the result was not pretty. I have been cancelled by my own Engineering Institution too, which is because they are completely into this climate cr.p, never mind, their loss. Navier Stokes is a very good point, as is the fact that clasical thermodynamics does not fit their ideas either, it is fairly easy to prove that both downdwelling and updwelling heat excite the old CO2 molecules, so the “green house effect” is zero. But never mind, science and engineering are certainly not these peoples specialist subject, but they make good press! The media have a lot to answer for, just as with Covid. Propaganda to the last!
These are all people with university degrees but these just apply to what they’ve chosen to specialize in. Apart from that, they’ve also received the general political university education and that includes These things must not be questioned.
Yes but it’s disappointing a physicist can’t see the obvious nonsense.
I had a conversation with 2 scientists one day. They were husband and wife. They insisted that “pollution” was causing global warming. ——–I said “What kind of pollution”? The husband said “CO2”. ————–So I asked “How much CO2 is in the atmosphere”? He squirmed a little before replying “Well I don’t know the exact amounts”———–And herein lies the problem. Many people think they are educated and pass comment on things they know nothing about. ——–eg I would not dare to discuss welding if I never even knew what a welding rod was.
United Nations Demands Global Climate Dictatorship
Net Zero Communism Rebranded
latest leaflet to print at home and deliver to neighbours or forward to politicians, media, friends online.
“…climate tipping points may be near….”
but of course they never arrive.
“but of course they never arrive.”
Like bloody number nine buses.
And when CO2 was many time higher in the past, they didn’t arrive either. Buses hadn’t been invented! The CO2 didn’t tip anywhere either.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
Not taking the Mickey, but I read your comment and immediately the words “Mamma Mia, Mamma Mia, etc.” came to mind
What is meant by climate change getting worse? Do they mean it is not really doing what they want i.e. the climate is not changing for the worse.
Real world data indicates no increase in the frequency or intensity of any type of weather event. ———–Yet so thoroughly brainwashed and easily manipulated most of us are, we believe there is a “climate crisis”. ——-It is really time we had a TV Documentary featuring many of the people like Judith Curry, Craig Idso, Roy Spencer, John Christie. Ross McKitrick, Richard Lindzen, and energy experts like Michael Economides and Robet Bryce etc, to explain that climate change is NOT as it seems on your 6 o’clock News. —–But The climate establishment would create an almighty stink. But in science, if that is what it is really about, are we not supposed to question everything? —YES. —Climate Change cannot be challenged because it is not real science. It is post normal science. It is science not based 0n observations, but on modelling and diktats.
https://off-guardian.org/2023/12/09/trauma-nation/
Todd Hayen at Off-G with a brilliant look at the world of sheep and shrews ie us and them.
“Our world is falling apart. Sure, it has always been tenuous. But now, it is literally falling into the ashes. Up is down, down is up, it is truly Superman’s Bizarro World. Everywhere we turn there is trauma, we’ve lost most of our friends—friends we may have had for decades. Gone. And usually gone in an ugly way. We have lost family. Same deal. Gone. We may even live in a house divided. Sheep and shrew, living together. If this is the case, you may even doubt your own sanity at times—possibly a lot of the time.”
This short essay will resonate with everyone here at DS.
Socialist fascists. These people won’t tell us what we already know: ‘A statement by IPCC scientists that China and India were responsible for more than 50% of net global emissions increases between 2010 and 2019 was removed from the last summary for policymakers, negotiating documents show’ They portray common sense as a bad thing: ‘It’s no secret that specific governments have acted as agents of the meat and livestock industry and succeeded in changing the language [in the AR6 summary] from ‘plant-based diets’ to ‘sustainable healthy diets’. And they co-opt language: ‘quantitative projections…are neither predictions nor forecasts’: ‘Modelled scenarios and pathways are used to explore future emissions, climate change, related impacts and risks, and possible mitigation and adaptation strategies and are based on a range of assumptions, including socioeconomic variables and mitigation options. These are quantitative projections and are neither predictions nor forecasts.’ AR6 ‘Language as a system does not change with political regimes, but the way it is used does, and the changes under totalitarian rule are arguably the most drastic.’ Language under totalitarian regimes, Andreas Musolff 2017 ‘In 1984, “Newspeak” is the new totalitarian language which replaces “Old English.” The aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought so… Read more »
Another Globalist Organisation seeking Tyrannical Powers over so-called Democracies.
It’s time to stop funding these Communists.
Looks like a two pronged attack from the WHO and the IPCC, with binding treaties for all countires around the world that take away your rights wealth etc etc. The two are being linked, as aparently pandemics are more likely with global warming (seen Professor Pollard say so, so it must be true). They all seem in an awful rush to clamp down and implement all of this- the question is why? What’s the rush? Surely it is better to just gradually sneak it in under the radar, then nobody will notice and nobody will complain?
I think they feel they’re running out of time.
Except pandemics are not more likely with global warming. I recall Paul Reiter a Mosquito expert leaving the IPCC because they would not listen to him telling them that Malaria is not a disease of climate. It is a disease of wealth. Malaria used to exist in the UK Holland and the US, but prosperity killed Malaria. One of the worst outbreaks of Malaria actually occurred within the Arctic Circle killing 600,000 people. Hardly a disease of climate then is it? ————But it is no surprise to hear that everything will be worse because of climate change and nothing will ever be better because the whole idea is to create irrational fear so the world government can come over the hill and save us all.
From my travelling days, before the Globalist coupe put that on hold, my experience of mosquitoes is they prefer humid climates the most. When I was in Africa in 2018 with a known presence of Malaria in that place, I noticed many people who
had bites but hardly any disease, so I stopped taking the Malaria tablets, I blamed a bad gut on them so it wasn’t a hard decision. Like with any ‘pandemic’ people should be free to judge risk for themselves.
But Malaria is not a disease of climate as the scaremongering tries to imply. All insects like it to be warmer than cooler, but what is more important is Public Health, and in wealthier countries public health is so much better than in poor Africn Countries. ——–When poor countries get more prosperity, everything improves. They have more money to spend on the environment and on public health. If a poor African country develops it will no longer have a Malaria problem
IPCC scientists live in a parallel universe where space, time and causation escape gravity and wisdom is pure folly.
Most at the IPCC are not scientists at all . They are bureaucrats. It is a political body not a scientific one.
“The Power to Dictate” Who do these people think they are. They already have too much power———-Science is NOT a dictatorship, and climate change isn’t really about science anyway. The idea we are in a climate crisis and claims about what the climate is going to be doing 50 or 100 years from now is NOT science. It is modelling.————– Models that cannot be falsified are NOT science. So when we hear we are getting warnings about tipping points ec etc, we are getting those warnings from modellers. But so far all of their models have been totally wrong. Yet these people think they should be in charge of energy policies. NO WAY. ——–We have already seen in the Climategate emails how IPCC scientists corrupted the scientific process, with their activism. But once they want to start dictating energy policy they have now entered the political arena and that means they must be held accountable, and the public must be allowed to vote on what they propose. and we cannot have climate activists dictating energy policy and the IPCC already has way too much power. Giving it more power is a terrible idea for democracy and for prosperity around the… Read more »
We all know what it is like when a Jehovah’s Witness comes to our front door. They want to tell you about their view of the world. They are not at all interested in anything you have to say, or your view of the world. They have decided what is true already and there is not going to be anyway to change their mind so most of us politely tell them we are busy and say “no thankyou”. ——–This is identical to Just Stop Oil people or the Extinction Rebellion people. They have decided what is true and no matter how many facts you can hit them with you know you are wasting your time. Climate change for these people is a cult. It is a secular religion. We cannot have climate policies dictated by brainwashed eco fundamentalists ignoring what is happening in the real world because it interferes with their ideology.