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A Y M
2 years ago

Why is it antisemitic to accuse Israel of genocidal acts against the native Palestinians?

Answers on a postcard.

NeilParkin
2 years ago
Reply to  A Y M

Some of Israel’s actions over the years have been concerning, heavy handed perhaps, but calling them genocidal is just hyperbole. Maybe you should head to a dictionary and acquaint yourself with what ‘anti-semitic’ and ‘genocide’ actually means. Perhaps we ought to include Hamas in the conversation as a separate group to Palestinians. Hamas has been the government of Gaza since 2005 when Israel withdrew. Do you think they have done well in trying to achieve Statehood and looking after the interests and welfare of their people.?
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A Y M
2 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Hamas (2006) was supported and funded and encouraged by Likudniks in order to prevent a two state solution won on a plurality and immediately led to Israeli cutting off of Gaza into a giant prison, which has periodically been attacked, bombed and starved of essentials for normal life. In what basis? Their culture, and ethnicity. That basis is required for genocide, which is occurring now on steroids with 75% of the population displaced without clean water, electricity, or sufficient food to eat. Not genocidal? Right.

You did not answer my question. Because you cannot I presume. How is it anti Semitic to call out Israeli policies? The dictionary comment is weak. I would suggest to you that the anti semitic slur is the usual cover required to hide the atrocities of the Israeli state that has been founded on anti Arab dislocations, murders, and terrorism for almost 80 years.

You should acquaint yourself with some history books.

Here’s a Holocaust survivor’s brief interview on this for you:

https://youtu.be/ph9XF39yjgU?si=A-tFt0Kha4Bs4YU6

NeilParkin
2 years ago
Reply to  A Y M

You said it was genocide. It isn’t.

You said it was apartheid. It isn’t.

You concentrate on Israel’s ‘atrocities’, and no mention of Hamas. In fact you seem to refuse to accept that Hamas has any responsibility for the position in which Gaza finds itself. For that reason, you can continue the conversation talking to yourself, as I suspect you will always get the answers you want to hear.

john ball
john ball
2 years ago
Reply to  A Y M

The population of Gaza was 200,000 in 1948. Now it is 2.3 million.

A Y M
2 years ago
Reply to  john ball

So? The natives that were refugees from the forced expulsions of 1948 have been allowed to breed?

The settler population of the Palestinian territory of the West Bank was near zero in 1948. Today it’s in excess of 700,000 on illegally occupied lands. Theft and violent removal of local populations.

So is that a partner for peace?

john ball
john ball
2 years ago
Reply to  A Y M

So hardly genocide which was your original accusation.
As regards the West Bank this could have been a separate Palestinian state if the Arabs had accepted the UN Plan, but instead their armies invaded to exterminate the Jewish state. The West Bank was ioccupied by the army of Transjorda, then renamed Jordan, who did not want a separate Palestinian state. This stayed until they attacked again in 1967. Since then there ere settlements on the West Bank mainly for protection. The terms of a Peace Agreement were negotiated years ago including what to do with these settlements, but Arafat was unable or scared to commit, so it is quite clear who is really interested in peace; even before Hamas’ latest brutal attacks.

A. Contrarian
2 years ago
Reply to  A Y M

I’m not keen on taking sides on this one as I don’t know enough about the history, but I do think people should be allowed to disagree with what Israel is doing without being labelled “antisemitic”.

john ball
john ball
2 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Yes criticising Israel is one thing but accusing them of things like genocide is quite another

NeilParkin
2 years ago

‘We are restricting freedom but we’re doing it for the common good’

I think the lady has forgotten completely who she works for…

Steve-Devon
2 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

”The common good’ a phrase to strike a chill in your heart, tyranny and oppression presented as ‘common good’ communitarianism. Whose common good? and who decides what it is? Many tyrants and oppressors throughout history would probably tell you they were acting in the common good.

Hester
Hester
2 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Its a bit like the medieval torturers where they racked and drove spikes into people amongst other things in order to save the souls of the tortured.
What a truly frightening person she is, no doubt for the common good, she was in support of injecting the entire population with an experimental product, and destroying those that didn’t take it, or forcing it into them, I wonder what else she considers appropriate under her measure of “the common good”.
truly a shining example of the banality of evil.

MichaelM
2 years ago
Reply to  Hester

‘Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.’  C.S. Lewis

huxleypiggles
2 years ago
Reply to  Hester

Once “the common good” is rolled out it becomes the go-to catch-all for each and every fascist imposition that the state seeks to impose. Where does this end? Oh that will be mandatory vaccinations when the Davos Deviants let loose with another Scamdemic next year.

huxleypiggles
2 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

The usual lazy catch-all for their draconian measures – “but its all for the common good.”

This woman is yet another drain on the taxpayers and a drain on the planet. Oxygen thief.

A. Contrarian
2 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

And who decides *what* the common good is, and what it is acceptable to do in its name?

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Known as the Ben Tre defence:

‘It became necessary to destroy the town to save it’

NYT 08 Feb 1968

Mogwai
2 years ago

A very interesting 20min vid from five years ago, filmed in Gaza. It specifically focuses on Hamas and their expert use of propaganda to manipulate the West. There is no way even useful idiots could watch this and continue to bang on about a two-state solution. To say these ‘people’ want to peacefully coexist is beyond farcical, but don’t take my word for it. Anyway, a fascinating insight and recommended;

https://vimeo.com/271528743

Mogwai
2 years ago

This is extremely worrying and should concern everybody. A criminal conviction for sharing a blatantly inoffensive meme! But if the corrupt and obviously *unjust* judge deems it a ‘hate crime’ then it is so. The guy in question wasn’t even a serving police officer any longer; ”Can an implication be a crime? Britain’s hate-speech laws are notoriously draconian—except for those who are chanting “jihad” at a pro-Palestine event, apparently. For the rest of society, a recent ruling has expanded the scope of hate-speech laws to a grim new level. Earlier this month, Michael Chadwell, a former officer in London’s Metropolitan Police, was found guilty at London Magistrates’ Court of one count of sending by public communication grossly offensive racist messages. Chadwell retired in 2015. The message, a meme he had not created but merely shared, was sent last year in a private WhatsApp group of other retired police officers. Now convicted under the Communications Act 2003, this “grossly offensive” message could land the 62-year-old former officer with a prison sentence of up to six months when he is sentenced in December. The image that Chadwell shared showed parrots of different colours and children of different ethnicities with the words “Why do we… Read more »

Lockdown Sceptic
2 years ago

Shutting Down Farms Evil Global Control – 

latest leaflet to print at home and deliver to neighbours or forward to politicians, media, friends online. Campaign to stop your local council destroying local countryside and finances with such schemes. By the way there has been some success on Wiltshire, Surrey and Berkshire stopping some 5g towers at least.

04a-Shutting-Down-Farms-Evil-Global-Control-MONOCHROME-copy
Freddy Boy
2 years ago

My sincere sympathies are with the Gloucestershire Lady who wants to end her life due to long covid , she’s been ill since Dec 21 , it would be interesting to know her jab status !

Mogwai
2 years ago

This article pertains to the vid I shared above. Under no circumstances should Western countries be taking in Gazan refugees. We know why the Arab countries aren’t and we know ( also alluded to in the vid ) why even women and children are not allowed into Egypt, so would it not be sensible to look and learn from those nations? We are screwed up enough now due to the effects of mass immigration but to import more who demonstrably have this hateful and destructive ideology, including their very anti-West views which they make no secret of, would be the final nail in the coffin. ”Two weeks ago, MK Danny Danon, former Israeli ambassador to the UN and one of the most prominent political figures in Israel, co-authored an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal with MK Ram Ben-Barak, former deputy director of the Mossad, titled, “The West should welcome Gaza refugees.” Danon and Barak called on Western nations to take in Gazans in the wake of the current Israel-Hamas war. Right-wing Danon and Center-Left Ben-Barak were showing bipartisan Israeli support for this idea.  Earlier this month, a similar position was taken by current Intelligence Minister Gila Gamliel on these pages. After… Read more »

Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

I’ve been pointing out for ages that it isn’t in our interests to support Israel because a consequence of the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population of Palestine would be enormous numbers being resettled here.

JeremyP99
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Well none of the surrounding Islamic countries want them, that we have known for decades.

This worth a read, on the history of “Palestine” (first occupied by Jews some 3,700 years ago, 3000 years before Islam was even a fart in the wind.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-big-lie-about-israel-threatens-us-all/

soundofreason
soundofreason
2 years ago

China covered up the origins of Covid. It’s time the Inquiry asked why” – Beijing’s lies denied the world a chance to stop the spread of Covid, costing millions of lives. Why isn’t the Hallett Inquiry looking into this, asks Matt Ridley in the Telegraph.

I smell bullsh*t. Once the bad cold was spreading in Wuhan it was unstoppable. …’costing millions of lives’. More BS.

Jon Garvey
2 years ago
Reply to  soundofreason

It would be a more productive start to ask Jeremy Farrar and Patrick Vallance why they covered up the lab leak in league with Fauci and Co, rather than speculating about the othger side of the world.

186NO
186NO
2 years ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

Under oath by the Police …..

186NO
186NO
2 years ago
Reply to  soundofreason

Because they were told not to ….stick their noses in and concentrate their snouts in the taxpayer funded trough ..🐷

stewart
2 years ago

A lawmaker admitting openly that people’s freedoms need to be restricted for the common good is a terrifying moment.

Hypocrisy has its value. It’s a mechanism for doing what needs to be done when it goes against otherwise firmly held principles. It’s a way of doing something one shouldn’t with some embarrassment and the embarrassment of the hypocrisy acts as a sort of limiter ensuring we don’t break our principles too much or too often.

Openly admitting freedom has to be curtailed for the common good though, that’s the thin end of the wedge. Once that principle is openly spoken and tacitly admitted, what limits are there on the common good? None. So what limits are there on the curtailment of freedom? None.

Terrifying. Simply terrifying. Western civilisation is no longer crumbling but rapidly going into collapse.

Sinor
Sinor
2 years ago
Reply to  stewart

There seems to be a trend in politicians “pushing” their electorates almost as if they are egging them on to open revolt .Dublin and the Auchinlek ,may have misspelt, show how close we are to a big bang . The Hamas lovers protests in London are also part of it .
Are we being goaded so they have an excuse for the great reset clampdown “For your own safety” of course.?

huxleypiggles
2 years ago
Reply to  Sinor

Yes.

soundofreason
soundofreason
2 years ago

Swine flu could be silently spreading in Britain, experts fear…

‘Silently’ as in not doing anything to attract attention you mean?

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
2 years ago

‘We are restricting freedom but we’re doing it for the common good’” If you ever hear words like this being uttered in a place that is meant to represent the people, take that person out of there, invite them into the back of a police car and take them directly to jail. These are the snake oil salesman words of a politician making out that you are being repressed/oppressed for your own good – that is totalitarianism and this woman is a danger to us all.

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
2 years ago
Reply to  Hester

Thanks for the reminder of CS Lewis’ quote, Hester. So very, very true.

huxleypiggles
2 years ago
Reply to  Hester

“… the Witch burners have been resurrected.”

It is time we had some of our own.

Rose Madder
2 years ago

Re: Dame Angela McLean. Net Zero is a disaster and the establishment has got the donkey so far up the minaret they can’t back down. One thing that might help would be if the Government Chief Scientific Adviser (McLean) wrote a paper reviewing recent work which points to CO2 NOT being the main cause of climate change (Lindzen, Happer, Dagsvik, Alimonti et al) – suggesting we don’t need to decarbonise after all. A world leading / world helping message. When the facts change, etc. I wrote to her, email and hard copy.

No answer, as yet.

JayBee
2 years ago

Meanwhile, this is making waves in the US and on X. The ring leader of the new axis of evil censorship CTIL is a British woman.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1729537450752811097.html

JeremyP99
2 years ago

Do people really STILL watch that heap of ordure?

huxleypiggles
2 years ago

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12798867/Fury-comic-Guz-Khan-given-plum-job-hosting-BBCs-Got-News-despite-string-anti-Israel-tweets-branding-Jewish-state-genocidal-latest-controversy-backlash-Priti-Patel-jibe.html

Absolutely done with the intention of polarising viewers. An F. You statement if ever there was one and doubtless with government support.

So predictable 🙄

huxleypiggles
2 years ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/11/28/environmental-standard-risk-britain-commerical-property-epc/

Of course this has nothing to do with 15 minute cities and the push for everybody to shop on line thereby feeding the behemoths such as Amazon.

A. Contrarian
2 years ago

Can someone please enlighten me – if a disease is spreading “silently” (from this, I assume they mean that it is indistinguishable from all the other repsiratory diseases doing the rounds at this time of year, and certainly isn’t leaving a trail of dead bodies in its wake) – then what is the problem?

JayBee
2 years ago

https://sciencefiles.org/2023/11/29/zum-weltkirchentag-der-klimasekte-wasserdampf-macht-klima-nicht-co2-neue-studie/
Worth looking into for the climate guys: new study showing that water vapour has an effect on the climate, but CO2 doesn’t. Plus 2 more discussed.

soundofreason
soundofreason
2 years ago

The Covid kids starting school unable to speak
FFS No! They’re not Covid kids. They’re lockdown kids.

My daughter works with nursery kids. She’s been telling us that she’s been seeing a huge increase in non-verbal kids and kids who have never played with other kids and are frightened of them.

soundofreason
soundofreason
2 years ago
Reply to  soundofreason

At the age of five, children with speech and language difficulties are six times less likely to achieve expected targets in English…

No. Shit. Sherlock.

What cretin wrote that and what cretin of an editor allowed it to be published?

Grim Ace
Grim Ace
2 years ago

Irish politicians are heading for a serious backlash from their people. Are these vile despots real?