CDBCs’ Critics Get it Upside Down: CBDCs Will Safeguard Our Liberty

I would start a petition, but someone got there first. Direct debits and standing orders need to be outlawed because they allow the Government to empty our bank accounts. And then there are the televisions. I have heard that the BBC restricts their size because if they were a bit bigger the edges of the image would reveal the studio and camera crew.

These are ridiculous examples, of course. But in my view they are scarcely more ridiculous than the scare stories being put out about Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs), which will supposedly allow the Government to control all our money and monitor what we spend it on. As Laura Dodsworth recently wrote in the Daily Sceptic:

Digital money and particularly Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs) offer the potential for the Government, through the central bank, to see every purchase and transfer you make, in real time. And not just see, but control.

I understand Laura’s concern, and if she was right about this then I too would be warning of the dangers of CBDCs. But the truth is that CBDCs are not the threat to liberty that Laura and others think they are. In fact, CBDCs’ critics get things upside down: CBDCs will, I believe, protect us against the overreach of private companies like PayPal, not make things worse.

To see why this is the case, it helps to know that most of the money in circulation these days, 80% in fact, does not come from or ever go anywhere near the central bank. It is what economists call private money. Of the remaining 20%, 17% are reserves held by commercial banks, moving back and forth between them and the Bank of England, so not used by us, the public. That means that only 3% of the circulating money in daily use by you and me has anything to do with the central bank. Your mortgage, loans, direct debits and standing orders, deposits, credit card balances are all private money, none of it controllable by central banks. Not now and not in future, with or without CBDCs.

If we want to know what really happens when a CBDC is introduced, we don’t have to speculate because it has already happened in the Bahamas where the so-called Sand Dollar was introduced in 2019. It hasn’t been the roaring success its central banker John Rolle had hoped for. Last year he said it was “still in the very early stages” two years after launch. Take-up was “modest”, with Bahamians only using it infrequently and for low value transactions. Getting merchants to accept it as payment is one challenge, getting it to move around inside the traditional banking and payment systems is another. Only one of six retail banks and one of five credit unions is even in the pilot. As of May 2022, a mere £263,000 of Sand Dollar was in circulation. Even the Government has had to be cajoled into using it with acceptance of payments for public-facing services still in the future. John Rolle can hardly be accused of exercising enormous power over Bahamian’s money.

The difficulty of getting CBDCs into use is not all that central bankers have to worry about. The IMF no less is concerned that “the biggest and immediate risk that CBDCs pose to monetary policy is deposit disintermediation”, which is jargon for a run on the banks if they became too popular. CBDCs don’t require a bank account, you see. Not surprising then that there has not been a rush of countries following the Bahamas.

But what about Sweden’s Do Black credit card that Laura highlights, launched in 2019 by Doconomy and which limits spending based on CO2 emissions? Not a popular product with Daily Sceptic readers I dare say. I admit this caught my attention because in my previous article I had said this kind of thing would not be possible, yet here it was. When electronic payments are made the payment systems do not know what is being paid for. So how can they make a judgement based on CO2 emissions of what you have bought? What the payment system does know is the merchant and, if the payment is being handled by Mastercard or Visa, the category it assigns to the merchant. If some eco-zealots then went to the bother of assigning merchants some kind of eco-virtue score, or in the majority of cases where they hadn’t got around to scoring a merchant then scoring the general category of the merchant instead, then you could attempt to make some kind of eco-assessment based not on what you bought but where you shopped. The people who have gone to that bother are S&P Global with its Trucost system, partnering with Doconomy via its Aland Index. While all the talk from the card provider to its eco-warrior customers was about “CO2 emissions caused by their consumption”, the reality was a strange rate-my-shop system which may or may not correlate with what your actual consumption was. When it comes to virtue signalling, validity and accuracy are not important, who knew? Despite Doconomy’s claims to have saved the world, the Swedish public were less enthusiastic and the card was withdrawn in 2022.

The point is not that schemes like this are launched on a burst of virtue-signalling enthusiasm which then falls flat, but that they are more likely to happen at all in the realm of private money. Further evidence is provided by our very own Toby Young and the FSU being debanked by PayPal and the Nigel Farage NatWest/Coutts scandal. Yes, CBDCs are problematic, as the IMF notes, though not for the reasons Laura gives, and private money is arguably more so and only getting worse.

This has not escaped the central bankers, and it is why we all need public money, just not necessarily in the form of cash. If you are still not convinced, then consider the plight of more than one million people in the U.K. who are completely unbanked. That means they rely entirely on public money – cash – and desperately need for it to remain relevant. In short, they need merchants to accept it. If the only form of public money is anachronistic, expensive to handle and vastly less convenient than its private money alternatives, it is increasingly at risk of becoming irrelevant, shunned and ultimately declined. Think: paying with a cheque at the supermarket checkout. Keeping cash alive with legislation does not address the root problem. As private sector innovation streaks ahead, cash becomes more and more archaic. It will be seen as a kind of Government food stamp, only held by the poor and marginalised and only exchangeable for a miserable basket of essentials at Government approved centres. The threat of being debanked will become even scarier, handing yet more power to the PayPals, Coutts and NatWests. The option of not using a bank or having something useful to withdraw if your bank is about to fail, or simply not wanting an intermediary between you and your counterparty, is always going to be needed. Public money, in the form of well-designed CBDCs will be the answer in the future, just as cash was in the past. Public money must keep up, for all our sakes.

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Dinger64
2 years ago

Why is it that the writers of such peices are so convinced by there virtue they remain anonymous? If they are so correct, surely they’d be shouting their name and beliefs from the rooftops!

Dinger64
2 years ago
Reply to  Dinger64

I take it the downtick is the anonymous IT reporter?

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
2 years ago
Reply to  Dinger64

My thoughts too, Dings. I am actually surprised at this article given the amount of coverage we’ve had about the ways in which CBDCs can be used against people. Is this just a clever piece of gaslighting, I wonder?

huxleypiggles
2 years ago

Why should we be fearful of CBDC’s?

The answer in a nutshell – because our government is pushing it.

I could extrapolate and refer to its intended roll-out worldwide and the organisations pushing it but there is no need. Let’s keep this local. Fishy and his treasonous conspirators are pushing CBDC’s therefore it is definitely NOT in our interests.

That is all we need to know.

varmint
2 years ago
Reply to  Dinger64

To be fair you are anonymous as well. ——But I say to the guy who wrote this article. –“Wait and see”.

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  varmint

I choose to remain anonymous because I post stuff that might lose me my job. Supporting CDBCs is unlikely to have the same consequences – in fact quite the opposite.

Arum
Arum
2 years ago

Perhaps I’m being thick, but the sand dollar is an alternative to the Bahamian dollar – I doubt that people who are concerned about CBDCs are worried about their existence at all, more that they are being pushed to replace existing currency.

transmissionofflame
2 years ago

Central bank….safeguarding liberty. Lol.

Sorry but this seems like it’s full of holes. The state and the central bank save us from the overreach of private companies – but it’s the state and the central bank and other regulators and laws that have largely pushed private companies into their overreach.

The examples given where take-up has been low also seem irrelevant. The fear is when cash and any transactions NOT involving CDBCs are made illegal. Think it can’t happen? Dream on. I thought lockdowns couldn’t happen. I didn’t think a UK government would ban smoking, or tell people what boilers and cars they can and cannot buy, what food they can eat, what pronouns to use, what speech is “lawful”, that they cannot tell males and females that they are males and females.

Attempt 3 with this nonsense, still remain convinced it’s a terrible idea. Try again. God give me strength.

Dinger64
2 years ago

Wholeheartedly agree 👍

allofusarefat
allofusarefat
2 years ago

Interesting to see who will be the first group to be targeted with the ‘payments made in CBDC only’ stick – my guess is benefits claimants, on the basis of being captive group, so take it or leave it; tax can be deducted at source “for your convenience”; and will provide platform for future checks/taxation on any other sources of income. Will also force early adoption upon the group currently most cash reliant. You could bet good money that enforced ‘early adopters’ will not include treasury/BoE officials, govt ministers or employees of the Tony Blair Foundation.

stewart
2 years ago

The protection I desperately crave is from the state and its relentless abuse.

TheBasicMind
2 years ago

All through my life I have noticed the “it will never happen” people have a loud voice at the time before it happens. Sounding sceptical of “bad stuff” happening can make someone seem sensible and steady. And it is generally good not to panic at every problem that might occur. People are aware that doing so simply isn’t a healthy state of mind and so mix up those who avoid reacting to ANY strategic possibility with the voice of reason and wisdom. But then, on the other hand, I’ve noticed many of such people do not have an iota of understanding about strategic implications and often are terrible at identify strategic inevitabilities. So when for example the right to veto was removed by (I think it was the Maastricht treaty), all the “Mr sensibles” who seem, indeed, oh so sensible, all chorused “there’s no need to worry, it’s not practically going to be any different” and how wrong they were. Not just a little bit wrong, you only had to be a bit logical and have a fraction of Gary Kasparov’s capacity to think strategically to be infuriated. Infuriated that they were so dumb and infuriated that the couldn’t see… Read more »

JXB
JXB
2 years ago
Reply to  TheBasicMind

They are the Chorus: there’s no such thing as a slippery slope.

allofusarefat
allofusarefat
2 years ago
Reply to  TheBasicMind

The “nothing to worry your little heads about here” brigade always remind me of Ted Heath appearing on our TV screens to ‘refute’ (ie, lie about) the effects of joining the (then) EEC:

“There are some in this country who fear that, in going into Europe, we shall in some way sacrifice independence and sovereignty. These fears, I need hardly say, are completely unjustified.”

Which wasn’t what the Attorney General had just told him but, hey, it won him a…ahem…”prize” from his Euro-chums. I’m old enough to remember that broadcast, clearly: I don’t forget and I don’t forgive.

Less government
2 years ago
Reply to  allofusarefat

Indeed. A bare faced act of treason, abrogating our Sovereignty to a foreign power. A heinous crime committed by almost every Prime Minister since Heath.

Smudger
2 years ago

Every Tory PM (including Thatcher) right up to Cameron continued to uphold that lie.

Smudger
2 years ago
Reply to  allofusarefat

…..and an ocean going yacht (with crew) called Morning Cloud. Now how does a career politician, from a humble background, afford to indulge in the sport of kings I ask?

Free Lemming
2 years ago

DS, please stop posting articles from Tony Blair. This is trolling at its finest.

TheBasicMind
2 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Your comment falls into a special category of haiku like software engineer joke. A great example.

allofusarefat
allofusarefat
2 years ago

The next pillar of the digital gulag: slavered over at Jackson Hole and Davos since at least 2019 and now being implemented, in lockstep across the world, irrespective of whether populations want it or not, and with plenty of wholly unconvincing blandishments about safety, inclusivity and “convenience”. The agencies in love with CBDC – central banks, national governments, BlackRock/Vanguard, unelected NGO’s, the WEF – are not our friends, nor deserving of our trust. When they come bearing unsolicited “opportunities”, I will be keeping my hand firmly on the cash in my (physical) wallet.

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
2 years ago

I beg to differ. Since when has a currency that is dependent on the internet and therefore open to surveillance, lack of privacy and control ever been more secure than actual cash in your hand, fiat currency though it be? This article makes bold statements and assertions none of which I believe to be true. In fact, it seems to toy with the version of reality that I inhabit. Now I may be far too radicalised to give any time of day to thinking about the benefits of CBDCs but I have done a lot of reading and can summarise that here:

Anyone handing over control of their own private transactions to unaccountable organisations whose interests have never been ordinary people’s prosperity or freedom needs their head examined.

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
2 years ago

They’ll be saying we got it wrong about CO2 and vaccines next. Say no to CBDC.

wokeman
wokeman
2 years ago

This is all rather naive. They are all doing it out of worry for poor ppl lol, they are just so kind. I’ve got a bridge to sell the writer of this article.

For a fist full of roubles

What worries me is that you have already admitted that you got something wrong previously “in my previous article I had said this kind of thing would not be possible” in relation to Sweden’s Do Black credit card.
I have worked over the decades with many software specialists, and the one thing they have consistently shown is an inability to predict the future accurately – does anyone remember the Y2K debacle?

JXB
JXB
2 years ago

All memory was wiped in March 2020 when we entered the Brave New World of The Science.

NeilParkin
2 years ago

I think we are about here…

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stewart
2 years ago

Is this guy dense?

His argument that governments won’t or can’t use CBDC to control people is… that actually private companies like PayPal are doing exactly that with their payment systems.

Worse still he says all this with an arrogant, condescending tone.

Presumably his argument is, in order to protect people from discrimination from private companies, better to give all the power to the central authority who will make sure mo one is discriminated or debanked.

What a complete utter tool.

RTSC
RTSC
2 years ago

“But what about Sweden’s Do Black credit card that Laura highlights, launched in 2019 by Doconomy and which limits spending based on CO2 emissions? Not a popular product with Daily Sceptic readers I dare say. I admit this caught my attention because in my previous article I had said this kind of thing would not be possible, yet here it was.”

———-

That phrase reminded me of something else our oh-so-trustworthy-and-benign Establishment did, only recently:

“China changed what was possible. It’s a communist one party state,  we said. We couldn’t get away with it in Europe, we thought… and then Italy did it. And we realised we could.”

Neil Ferguson …. who is largely responsible for destroying the economy and millions of lives with his “impossibility which suddenly became possible.”

https://unherd.com/thepost/neil-ferguson-interview-china-changed-what-was-possible/

Trust the tyrants in the British Establishment with CBDCs on the basis that someone who remains anonymous THINKS something isn’t possible …. when we KNOW it’s precisely what the Chinese State is doing isn’t going to convince anyone who is paying attention and has even a few functioning brain-cells.

I’m not poor, or marginalised. I’m comfortably off and have no debt of any kind. I’m using cash for nearly all my off-line purchases now. And I intend to keep doing it.

Baldrick
Baldrick
2 years ago

So, CBDCs will protect us from the overreach of private companies? Possibly true. But then what will protect us from over-reach of goverments and the central banks? What will protect my rights as an individual from big technical companies AND central goverments? I think the assumption here is that politicians and central bankers are nice and uncorrupt!

Any way, why is there a lack of public debate about this? It is like the excess death issue- no debate. None what-so-ever.

Perhaps examples of CBDCs should be taken from Russia and China rather than the Bahamas?

JXB
JXB
2 years ago
Reply to  Baldrick

The over-reach of private companies in large measure is enabled by EU legislation – that Fourth Reich which supposedly we left. Get rid of the legislation. But there is the competitive free market process. There are alternatives to PayPal and the big banks. As I understand it, many of those debanked other than the under the EU regulation, are small traders who want to deal in cash, and some banks don’t want to handle cash deposits. Others I suspect have accounts more expensive for the bank to maintain, than the money going through them, or rather the running balance. If money is going out as fast as it is coming in, the bank has no ‘float’ on the account to use to earn money, it just has the cost of the transactions going through the account. The solution to this would be to introduce an account fee, and transaction charges – as is the case in France. The British have got used to ‘free’ banking and ‘free’ credit cards – although years ago it wasn’t like that. There is no such thing as ‘free’ – the money has to come from somewhere. And that somewhere is closing branches and not… Read more »

Baldrick
Baldrick
2 years ago
Reply to  JXB

Well some early banks were when somebody paid for them to guard their bullion.

Less government
2 years ago
Reply to  Baldrick

Believe that they did a big trial in Uganda. Went down like a lead balloon apparently.

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
2 years ago

It is a little difficult to pinpoint – is the writer a shill or a moron?
I’m going with shill who is pretending to be a moron.

At the end of the day, people will find a way around it. I suspect over time local physical token-based currencies will arise, which will spread across the country and eventually morphy into something to be used in a given country. They might end up calling it a national currency or some such.

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

As the excellent Italian phrase has it “ci fai o ci sei?”

JXB
JXB
2 years ago

Cui bono?

Never mind the technicalities, let’s look for motive.

Parliament concluded that there was nothing CBDCs did that currently could not be achieved by existing electronic transfers and payment systems.

The Bank of England was unable to produce any evidence that CBDCs would provide any advantages and benefits to consumers over and above existing currency.

That being so… we adopt new technologies because they offer advantages and benefits over existing tech. If not the new tech fails when offered to the market. This is why legislation, subsidy, bullying is being used to force us to abandon tech that works and use green tech that doesn’t and is more expensive.

Therefore CBDCs would fail when offered to the market, being a costly failure.

Therefore why would Central Banks want to introduce something, by their own admission. offering no advantages and benefits to users if they knew it would surely fail?

Therefore it is reasonable to consider, it won’t fail because they know it will not be voluntary and will be imposed.

Therefore if CBDCs do not benefit the people, whom will they benefit and what will the benefit be?

Ron Smith
Ron Smith
2 years ago
Reply to  JXB

The House of Lords called CBDCs a solution on search of a problem!

Sforzesca
Sforzesca
2 years ago

Canada.
Truckers and people helping by donating from their digital accounts. Government apparently stopped and froze accounts of donors and donees.How was this possible.

They could not have done this if cash were king Mr. Ananymous (whom I understand recues digital projects for a living, see previous propagand article).

And don’t banks get a rake off from every payees account per transaction?

Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago

And it will be placed on the BSV Blockchain. You heard it here first, fellow sceptics.

allofusarefat
allofusarefat
2 years ago

Along with, eventually, every one of your main personal possessions converted into a digital asset. Want to sell your house? Sorry, block chain is not showing proof of your ownership or title. Perhaps you’d like the government to take ownership of this stranded asset and charge you rent for continued occupation (subject to you meeting our “terms and conditions”)?

Farmer Charlie
Farmer Charlie
2 years ago

A simple question for the brave anonymous writer: in my wallet, I have a couple of twenties, and a credit card. Which method of payment can be stopped by an external body, and which one can’t? Take your time.

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
2 years ago
Reply to  Farmer Charlie

Good one, Charlie.

Judy Watson
Judy Watson
2 years ago
Reply to  Farmer Charlie

Also electricity is needed for connection from shop to bank. Given the ‘ent-zero’ crap outages are going to become common.

where I live we often have power outages which means sometimes people get stuck in shop(automatic doors) or can’t check out their shopping(electric tills). I will stick to using cash at all times.

ellie-em
2 years ago
Reply to  Judy Watson

The incessant push / bullying for everyone to have the ‘smart’ meters installed is another sinister method to control compliance by reward / penalty measures.

GroundhogDayAgain
2 years ago

Sorry, I’m not buying it. We’ve seen what our power-mad leader-class are capable of. Mealy-mouthed, virtue-signalling and completely uncaring. Vax-pass was a conspiracy until it wasn’t. Fool me once…

Whenever a new power is granted, imagine it being deployed by your worst enemy against you.

The Internet, while wonderful in many ways, has morphed from its benign, optimistic beginnings to become a corporate/govt plaything and is also responsible in large part for spreading the social contagions currently attacking our rights and freedoms. Unintended consequence, or the product of human nature?

The Anonymous IT reporter is a coward. Who are you and what makes you so sure about this?

Jumpin' Jehosaphat
Jumpin' Jehosaphat
2 years ago

You’ve made a worthwhile point in the last paragraph, in that people will always want the option to use some kind of cash equivalent, and that digital forms of cash are far more convenient and efficient. However, you’ve also conflated two different parts of the issue, then attempted to argue both sides. When you refer to “Public money, in the form of well-designed CDBCs” is an example. If it’s a CDBC, it’s not public money, and vice versa.

However, the underlying point is valid: Now that most personal spending is done through digital means, i.e. credit cards and other online transfers, the potential for malicious control of personal spending by central authorities is abused already. Personal Digital Currency (PDC?) is needed by many people already, and CDBCs have proven, so far, to be largely irrelevant.

transmissionofflame
2 years ago

The virtue of cash is that it is anonymous and hard to control. Whatever protections you put in place around a “personal digital currency” can easily be suspended or ignored by the state, with the excuse of some “emergency” or other.

allofusarefat
allofusarefat
2 years ago

And – an often overlooked advantage – if you come and try to take my cash, I can hit you (not that this in any way condones, etc etc)

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  allofusarefat

Possession is nine tenths….

True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago

I still don’t trust CBDCs. Unless they guarantee that cash will still be used alongside them and equal to them.

psychedelia smith
2 years ago

With cash you can buy goats or you can buy gold. You directly own and control your own finances and nothing apart from a catastrophic financial collapse can switch that off. But even this would still not change the fact that you have independent legal tender in your pocket.

If we see the abolition of cash as inevitable to be replaced by a system of centrally controlled digital state tokens, it is then inevitable that we become slaves to the administrators of that system and at a stroke we have introduced the ultimate mechanism of control that enables our rulers – whoever you think they might be or whatever relationship you envisage them having with big tech – to switch our lives off at the touch of a button.

This part is absolutely key and the fact that you completely gloss over it shows that you’re either a shill for this nightmare or a ludicrously optimistic ISS astronaut who’s not been home for 4 years.

Either way we’ll never know because for some reason we don’t know who you are.

Mathison
Mathison
2 years ago

It isn’t private money. It’s none existent money from thin air which we – the taxpayer – pay interest on. The value of output (The People) in this country is £2.5TN. We don’t need banks to print money and cause even further tax in the form of inflation. We don’t need a £50BN/year interest debt burden on money that never existed. Thankfully there are alternate ways to trade like precious metals, produce, sweat equity and genuinely private crypto.

Bikerdawson
Bikerdawson
2 years ago

I wonder if the author is sponsored by WEF, WHO or United Nations or any woke left wing government. I suspect most readers of this publication would beg to differ with his argument

marebobowl
marebobowl
2 years ago

Kiddies put away your paywall and keep using cash. You will be sorry if you do not. It is your future