What Do Hamas ‘Militants’ Have to Do for the BBC to Call Them Terrorists?
On Monday night, a protest took place outside the BBC’s headquarters in London – jointly organised by the National Jewish Assembly, U.K. Lawyers for Israel and the European Jewish Association – against its continued bias and inaccurate coverage of the atrocities committed by Hamas.
No red paint was sprayed on the walls of Broadcasting House; there were no fireworks nor chants exhorting violence or ethnic cleansing. All that took place was a few speeches from campaigners, some songs and a few prayers.
The BBC’s decision to refer to Hamas as ‘militants’ rather than ‘terrorists’ is the latest example of a long history of sanitising Jew-hatred among Palestinians while demonising Israel’s efforts to defend itself. Given the scale and barbarity of the 7/10 atrocities, one has to ask the question: What would have to happen for the BBC’s leadership to get around a meeting table and agree: “Okay, Hamas has reached the bar now. Let’s start referring to them as terrorists”?
As a group of campaigning U.K. Jewish lawyers has already pointed out, Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation and has been for two years. That is not a matter of debate or discussion. It is a matter of legal fact.
As recently as July 2023, the BBC was compelled to apologise for the line of questioning taken by Anjana Gadgil with Naftali Bennet following a military operation in Jenin. She asked if “Israeli forces are happy to kill children”. This question and the pervasive BBC mindset behind it seems in particularly poor taste with the knowledge of what came to pass three months later. Unlike Hamas, the IDF has never entered a country with the express intention of murdering civilians.
The BBC has a history of sanitising the antisemitism that exists among many Gazans. The 2019 BBC documentary One Day in Gaza recorded daily life for Israelis in southern Israel and also that of Palestinians in Gaza. And yet when it recorded Gazans’ dialogue referring to Israelis as ‘Yehudi’ – Arabic for ‘Jews’ – it subtitled the word as ‘Israelis’. Why do this if not to sanitise Palestinian attitudes?
In the 2004 Balen Report, the BBC compiled its own investigation into historic antisemitism within the broadcaster but has not only refused to publish the report, it has spent some £350,000 of licence payers’ money on legal fees in order to prevent efforts to force it to do so.
In December last year, a parliamentary investigation was announced into the BBC’s coverage of Jews and Israel. This followed a petition set up by the Jewish Chronicle stimulated in part by the BBC’s coverage of an antisemitic attack on Jewish schoolchildren on London’s Oxford Street. The BBC said that an audio recording made during the incident included an anti-Muslim slur made from inside the bus, something for which there was no evidence. Ofcom found “significant editorial failings” in the BBC’s coverage.
At the same time that the parliamentary probe was announced, the BBC reformed its Arabic service, employing Output Monitors to enforce standards. As to how well that process went, we can only judge by some of the activity on social media by BBC News’s Arabic reporters. One endorsed a post describing October 7th as “a morning of hope”.
Language is important and never more so in the face of barbaric murder, outright terrorism and a climate of racial hatred and incitement to violence. During the Corbyn years, casual antisemitism and hatred of Israel became conflated but also normalised. The BBC has played an influential role in this normalisation. Last night’s small protest may have little or no impact and was dwarfed in scale by those over the weekend supporting Palestine. A small and marginalised Jewish community in Britain is grateful for government support and ministerial condemnation of those glorifying Hamas. It now needs the same from its national broadcaster.
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Well Egypt and Jordan don’t want them, so let’s send Europe more refugees. What’s going to happen to all of these Palestinians fleeing for their lives??
”In a report from the Financial Times detailing the Egyptian government’s growing fear of a potential massive refugee crisis, an unnamed official reportedly said he would send 1 million Palestinian refugees to Europe if they were forced out of Gaza.
According to the Financial Times, a senior Egyptian official told a European counterpart: “You want us to take 1mn people? Well, I am going to send them to Europe. You care about human rights so much — well you take them.”
Israel’s saturation bombing of Gaza could become a serious problem for Europe, as hundreds of thousands of Palestinians flee south.
Other neighboring Arab states, many of whom already have substantial Palestinian refugee populations such as Jordan, are also rejecting taking in more Palestinian refugees.
“That is a red line,” King Abdullah II, who rules Jordan, told journalists, “I think that is the plan by certain of the usual suspects to try and create issues on the ground.”
“There will be no refugees in Jordan and no refugees in Egypt,” he said.”
https://rmx.news/trending/egyptian-official-threatens-to-send-1-million-palestinians-to-europe/
A good question. It may be that many of the Palestinian refuges are better qualified to immigrate to here, or elsewhere in Europe, compared with many of the others that are making their way north at present. It might be interesting to see what the Home Office view would be about that, or even that of the equivalent organisations across the Mediterranean.
Europe must reject Islamic immigrants. They will be our death knell.
…can’t help thinking though that the other side of that coin is that why would anyone assist a country openly ethnically cleansing an entire group of people…
Do we think that is OK? Do we let any country do it and assist them?
Have you read the Hamas 1988 Charter? They call for the extermination of all Jews. Maybe that’s the “ethnic cleansing” you are referring to?
So they’re both wrong maybe?
And by both we’re really talking about the psychos in charge, not ordinary people who are a mix of victims and useful idiots.
I’m not sure it’s relevant is it? I’m currently watching this happen in real time…today….
if and when the ‘Hamas Charter’ becomes something I can see with my own eyes, I’m sure I’ll have an opinion…
Worth reading John Simpson’s explanation: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67083432
Note that the BBC has never called any organisation terrorist – not even the IRA at its worst. So it is nothing to do with anti-semitism.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Surely, it’s blindingly obvious that both the IRA and Hamas are terrorist organisations?
The point remains. It is nothing to do with anti-Semitism. It is a matter of principle. You may disagree with the principle but it is not based on anti-Semitism.
Have you read Simpson’s article?
It’s not a matter of principle. It’s a matter of the BBC’s moral cowardice.
Actually I think it takes some moral bravery to stick to that principle when it would be so easy to give in to all the pressure to break it.
What? Moral bravery to pretend Hamas are not terrorists. **** sake. Unbelievable.
I can’t speak for the BBC, but the label terrorist is political. It says nothing about the facts and everything about what you are expected to think.
No one called the invasion of Iraq terrorism because it was carried out by a big powerful state that pretty much writes international rules and then flaunts them whenever it needs to.
No one called the attack on Libya and subsequent deposing of Gaddafi terrorism. And yet it led to a lot more death and misery than these last attacks on Israel.
When you find yourself fighting for the use of a word you should know you are fighting to impose a political view.
One man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter.
I would call Bush and Blair terrorists.
One government’s terrorist is anothers disposable asset.
Seconded.
Terrorists and killers.
I did hear his explanation, and it appeared to make sense in the context of the BBC World Service’s operations, if not the domestic service. Might be interesting to see what the Foreign Office view of the affair is, given that they fund the World Service.
The FO does NOT fund the World Service. The taxpayer does, and in this case, unlike TV, has no choice but to fund it.
In BBC mentality, Hamas aren’t terrorists in the same way that Brexiteers are “far right conspiracy theorists”
Are rhe Azov Battalion terrorists?
In BBC world, “fact” can be “partial”…
This idea that the BBC never refers to terrorism is a myth. It referred to what happened yesterday in Belgium as a “terror attack” (see image below) only to realise within an hour that its use of the T-word might be problematic. So it changed the headline (see second image).
Campaigners at last night’s event read out a long list of the BBC’s previous ease with labeling other organisations as terrorist. Apologies for not having these to hand…
BBC coverage of 911
(2) Historic BBC News coverage of 9/11 — Tuesday, 11 September 2001 6 PM – YouTube
The first sentence of this mentions a terrorist attack, also describes Bin Laden as a terrorist
In this piece, Al-Qaeda is described as a “….terrorist organisation”
What now for al-Qaeda? – BBC News
Simpson’s words are motherhood and apple pie but not convinced they are applied consistently. Anyway, attempts to portray the BBC as dedicated to objectivity are laughable.
By the way, I’d be fine with the rule being applied consistently – in fact I would probably prefer it, for reasons others have stated above.
But what I prefer even more would be for the BBC to be privatised so nobody is forced to pay for it and it is not connected to the state in any way.
And what I would prefer even more than that would be for the BBC to cease to exist, because it would take decades for the impression of objectivity to be erased.
It is most likely because the BBC supported the objectives of the IRA: a united, Marxist Ireland.
This idea of the BBC never calling any organisation terrorist is myth:
“Separately, The Telegraph has discovered more than 20 instances of the BBC referring to individuals or groups as terrorists in recent years, further undermining its claim that it avoids using the word in order to maintain impartiality.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/17/hamas-bbc-terror-attack-hypocrisy-shooting-brussels-belgium/
As the Telegraph don’t provide any way of checking on their claims it is hard to comment. However, it is inevitable that an organisation which writes so much will accidently breach policy from time to time. That doesn’t mean the policy doesn’t exist or that it should be deliberately breached.
“What Do Hamas ‘Militants’ Have to Do for the BBC to Call Them Terrorists? ”
Become white, male and hold moderately right wing views
Yep..as Mr Gums says…..just add ‘old and Christian’ to that and you’ll offend someone somewhere by just getting up every morning…LOL!
What do the IDF have to do to be labelled state terrorists?
Carry on as they are? Quite likely to be labelled in that fashion in other languages.
Jesus
would probably offer some words of wisdom.
“What Do Hamas ‘Militants’ Have to Do for the BBC to Call Them Terrorists?”
Use the wrong pronouns
words are violence (apparently)
If people are given accurate information, they can make up their own mind how to classify each group. Why does a label need to be rubber-stamped by the BBC?
If the opinion is that they are not impartial, don’t pay for it, and tell the government to remove funding.
However, if they do bow to pressure it’s quite helpful for those of us who think it’s a propaganda factory. It would overtly show how the news is manipulated by outside parties.
What do right thinking people have to do to get biased reporters to stop pretending that killing over 3000 people in a week, and most of it indiscriminately, is somehow Israel defending itself..….and then quite blithely talk about terrorists?
….and if we are talking about sanitisation, we’ll I’m watching the ‘sanitisation’ by Western MSM of the ethnic cleansing of Gaza….as is the rest of the world…
These are unequivocally War Crimes….
Yep. I’ve been getting slaughtered on another site the last few days for pointing out the war crimes and the second Nakba. Massively downvoted, comments disappearing and being accused of being evil, ignorant or morally deficient. I’m used to being called every name under the sun by the woke, but conservatives are usually more polite. I mean, it’s not like the UN isn’t calling out the war crimes too.
As your comment should be.
So you support Moslem Jihad?
I notice that the word Moslem never appears with Hamas, Palestinian Jihad, Iran, HIzbollah etc (over 100 Moslem ‘terror’ groups).
Muslim Moslem Mahometan Muhammadan ….
say it again Moslem. Moslem Moslem
Jihad
Should Israel “defend itself”? If so, how? What would you do if you were their PM?
LOL…sort out this historic problem on here…? How long have we got…?
I suppose I disagree with many about what constitutes ‘defence’….this isn’t it in my opinion.
Of course there is no easy answer, but I think you’ve asked a good question… what I don’t see is anyone talking about what comes next..what’s the plan?
How do they intend to capture Hamas leaders?… what do they intend for Gaza and the Palestinian people? What is the plan?
These are questions their PM should be answering….and I think it would go some way to making the situation better….
I agree about the plan aspect.
I agree that the loss of innocent civilian life is intolerable but TOF’s question is a fair one given your critique of Israel’s response. In light of the weekend’s atrocities, Hamas’s commitment to wiping Israel and the Jews living there off the map, and their heinous MO of shielding behind civilians, what options do you think are open to Israel?
It’s amazing how we get obsessed with this or what Corbyn’s response is. Powerless in the face of the horror in Israel and Gaza, we turn to policing each other’s language. Does it give us some feeling of moral superiority, some sense that we are making a difference?
Is it the influence that critical social justice has had on our dialogue, or was it ever thus?
..it’s playing around the edges with the minutiae…. while we watch ethnic cleansing in real time…
The dialogue could be around “ceasefire”, “diplomacy” and “truce” but that’s not popular for some reason or as important as leveraging the situation for personal or political ends closer to home.
“The dialogue could be around “ceasefire”, “diplomacy” and “truce” but that’s not popular for some reason”..
Its called the MIC…
Exellent lowdown of the MIC workings here by Brand
Absolutely worth a listen..
https://www.youtube.com/live/qSz04INBE7c?si=0qRfjDOQem3J6aIi
That position assumes that Hamas is open to negotiation and compromise.
None of those phrases come with huge profits…. Whereas war is excellent for these & further impoverishing folk by the generous splurging of their taxes.
BAE systems shares were on a downer but rose sharply just after the attack. The UK government will be pleased along with many others who aren’t on the business end of the produce.
”…we turn to policing each other’s language.” That’s rich, seeing as you pulled me up yesterday for calling somebody a ”nutter” because he killed a child by stabbing him 26 times! Could you be a bit more hypocritical with your ”moral superiority”, do you think??
”Do as I say not as I do” is it? Pshh..
I’m certainly not obsessed with Corbyn’s response, but in the world of party politics it seems to me fair game to try to discredit the other side. I mean, if you believe that a Tory government would be worth voting in at the next election, you should probably try to score points off Labour if you can.
How many innocent children does Israel/the IDF, have to kill before you would call them terrorists?
In my book, there’s not a lot of difference.
Save that the kill ratio is how much in favour of you know who.
This has been going on since 1948 – and then British soldiers were being shot.
Have any of the articles on DS mentioned Nakba? Even Reuters has reported that there is a concern this will be a repeat event.
Yeah I’m pretty sure the fact that Hamas are launching rockets from schools, hiding under hospitals, generally using civilians as human shields and literally blocking them from fleeing South away from all of the bombing might not all be the IDF’s responsibility. If Hamas are literally putting civilians in harm’s way then how exactly does the responsibility lie entirely with Israel on this??
There are plenty of stories on the web about Palestinians being bombed and killed even as they are fleeing..
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinians-fleeing-fighting-south-find-no-escape-danger-2023-10-15/
I suppose the problem I have is that if you use a totally unverifiable reason..
i.e Hamas putting them in harms way..Hamas using them as shields…
what you do is give Israel carte Blanche to bomb and kill civilians with impunity?
…yes it’s interesting when you compare things as well…remember the Amnesty International Report last year about the Ukrainian army endangering civilians by locating military forces in schools hospitals and residential areas?
If I remember rightly, there were howls of protestation in support of Ukraine..and against Amnesty…even though there was plenty of evidence floating around the web, that it was entirely true….….and I don’t remember one person saying that it gave Russia the right to bomb civilians…just to get to the military targets…
….not did anyone blame the civilians, who really had no say in the matter?
Apparently the IDF has just bombed a christian hospital im Gaza killing about 500 civiians, many of whom were women and children.
Still, deaths and injury caused by bombs dropped from 3 miles high – kids guts being shredded by shrapnel… just collateral damage….
Such bravery exhibited by the Kheil HaAVir.
Well that ‘fact’ is well and truly disputed. Remember, Hamas use hospitals as their base and to store their armories, so an explosion by their own rocket is not exactly a stretch. I honestly don’t know what to believe though but I think it’s wise not to be too hasty.
”BREAKING: Initial investigation by IDF shows explosion in hospital in Gaza was caused by a failed Hamas rocket launch – report.”
https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1714360190974165058
Oh, so the IDF investigation says it wasn’t Israel that did it? How surprising.
And Hamas say it was Israel. Equally unsurprising.
The cause of the hospital explosion is disputed. I’m surprised by the levels of confirmation bias and certainty in the comments section of a website for sceptics.
Exactly. Very few people know for sure who/what caused the explosion, but everyone who has chosen a side feels sure it must be the other lot. And both sides are prepared to lie to win the propaganda battle.
Same old story new circumstances.
Put up a plausible denial or legend or cover story and create FUD – fear, uncertainty and/or doubt.
It has been going on for centuries.
Works like a dream every time and by next week most people will have forgotten all about it because it has become a “Who knows” issue.
I totally agree with that; OH and I were just discussing this morning how impossible it is to take any information/reports at face value at this point in the conflict. We know a lot journalism is woeful. NYT headline reporting on that blast changed thrice over the course of only a few hours; from Israeli strike, to strike, to blast. Who the hell knows.
More British confirmed dead with many still missing. What I’m finding rather strange and ominous is the radio silence regarding the hostages. Perhaps it’s because I don’t watch mainstream news but I’ve also not seen anything on Twitter. Why are governments not demanding proof of life? Where are the hostage negotiators? Last I heard Hamas wanted the release of all Palestinian prisoners before they turned over the hostages but that was ages ago, before all of the bombing started. Family must be going mental with worry if they’re literally hearing nothing about their loved ones who are being held captive over there, not knowing even if they’re alive or dead. ”A 13-year-old British girl who went missing after Hamas terrorists launched their barbaric attack in Israel has been murdered, her heartbroken family have revealed. Yahel Sharabi, 13, disappeared after the terrorists attacked Be’eri Kibbutz and killed her British mother Lianne, who was born in Bristol. Her family have now confirmed that the teenager was also slaughtered in the attack. Yahel’s older sister Noiya Sharabi, 16, and their Israeli father Eli Sharabi are still missing. The family fear Noiya and her father Eli have been taken into Gaza as hostages where the Hamas terrorists are using… Read more »
Are any of them actually British or do they just have dual Israeli and UK citizenship?
Why have we descended into divisive arguments here over terminology? Are we going to fall into line with the playbook of the parasite class? Surely we know better than to do this?? We should be following the example of this Palestinian Archbishop who lives in Gaza not falling for the manufactured political quarrels &division which will only weaken us. Taking a side in this conflict, urging more killing because the other side started it is only going to inflame the situation. What is being proposed to clear Gaza of its citizens & carpet bomb irrespective of whether their are innocent civilians there, cutting off water, electricity, bombing hospitals is nothing less than a war crime. Anyone supporting these actions, agreeing that they are justified is also committing a war crime. I support peace & am on the side of those caught up in the political killing crosshairs of this war. These are the words of the Palestinian Archbishop: “…Archbishop Sebastia Theodosios (Atallah Hanna), 49, is the only Orthodox Christian archbishop from Palestine stationed in Jerusalem and the Holy Land, while all other bishops of the Patriarchate of Jerusalem are Greeks. The Israeli authorities had detained him several times, or stopped… Read more »
Right well, I don’t want to get my hopes up about this because it’s coming from Hamas, so I guess the ball’s in Israel’s court as to what they decide to do next. Is there really any room for negotiation with terrorists like this?
”A senior Hamas official tells NBC News that the terror group is willing to release all civilian hostages in one hour if Israel stops its bombing of Gaza.”
https://twitter.com/ariel_oseran/status/1714349259523285122
Will the Israelis keep to their word….
I read that Hamas also asked for all Palestinians to be released from Israeli jails. Given that, is it even likely to be considered?
If the weapons used by Hamas were in fact American made (the US is the worlds largest in the manufacturing of military equipment, with strong lobbing from the interests of the MIC) then what does that make Biden?..
A bloody hypocrite…
https://youtu.be/YLJ3xAhYYUM?si=ogGnqFZLZLhCS1Bx
I’m not genitally mutilated and I don’t consider bacon sarnies to be unclean, so I really don’t have any underlying attachment to either side: I regard them both as essentially backward goatherders and wish there were none in my country.
But the truth is that Israel was the last European colony to be established. It was founded by Ashkenazi Jews whose ancestry is 60% European/40% Levantine, whose ancestors had been living in Europe for 2,000 years before Israel was created, and whose real ancestral homeland is the area that used to be in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
Israel was established using both terrorism – some directed against us – and ethnic cleansing, and Jewish Israelis even elected as Prime Minister the unrepentant terrorist Menachem Begin. The wounds inflicted by Israeli shells and missiles are no less horrible than those inflicted by much lower tech weapons used by the Palestinians.
The overwhelming likelihood is that the Israeli allowed the Hamas attack to happen, both to save Netanyahu’s bacon and to justify a Final Solution to the Palestinian problem.
Netanyahu has a lot of explaining to do to the Israeli people..and looking at the Newspapers there, they know it….I’ve posted his comments to Likud about backing Hamas before … this is an article in Haaretz from 2020..
“Mossad Chief Yossi Cohen visited Doha on February 5 in order to ensure Qatar continues its financial aid policy to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.
The visit came to light in an interview former Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman gave Israel’s Channel 12 News on Saturday, saying Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had sent Cohen and the Israeli military’s chief of Southern Command Herzl Halevi to “beg the Qataris to keep funneling money into Hamas.”
”According to Walla news website, Cohen and Halevi stayed in Doha for less than 24 hours, meeting with the Qatari envoy to the Gaza Strip Mohammed al-Emadi and Qatari national security advisor Mohammed Bin Ahmed al-Misnad.
(I’ll post the link but it’s via the archive machine and may not work)
https://archive.ph/rfDC5
When you read it, it’s hard to get your head around the fact that the MSM are more interested in calling-out the BBC for not calling people terrorists….than questioning the man who actually paid the terrorists?
Why was he asking the Qataris to fund Hamas in 2020? What was the objective?
The language used by BBC correspondents is revealing. They say HAMAS is deemed “a terrorist organization by many governments including that of the UK” as if to imply that the BBC disagrees. No matter how it defends its “impartiality” that’s not how it comes across. Time to reconsider, not least as its impartiality extends to balancing its images of Palestinian casualties by refusing to show the awful images of Israeli victims.
Whilst I do not agree with the BBC’s likely motives for reporting Hamas are designated as terrorists by many governments I do agree with that approach to reporting if the motive was to try to remain impartial.
In the case of the BBC I do not believe the motive is impartiality.
However, as the BBC has a worldwide reach, including to nations predominantly of muslims, it seems to me to be the right approach if one is trying to be balanced.
But the BBC I believe is not doing this to be balanced.
Yesterday’s terrorists ofter get re-badged as freedom fighters. #gazagenocide