The Diversity Trilemma and Free Speech
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” So wrote Evelyn Beatrice Hall (although the quote is often misattributed to Voltaire). Her words capture the very essence of what it means to uphold free speech.
Indeed, the whole point of free speech is that even viewpoints that many people find deeply offensive get protection from the law. After several years of debate over cancel culture, I would have thought this was obvious to everyone. But apparently not.
Back in March, the Home Secretary described “non-crime hate incidents” as “Orwellian” and instructed the police to stop recording them. “Suella Braverman orders police to protect free speech” ran the headline in the Times. So far, so good.
Yet three days ago, she penned a letter to senior officers suggesting a much weaker commitment to free speech on her part. “It is not just explicit pro-Hamas symbols and chants that are cause for concern,” she wrote. “I would encourage police to consider whether chants such as “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” should be understood as an expression of a violent desire to see Israel erased from the world”.
A “violent desire”? Is that even a meaningful concept?
And while a chant like, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” certainly could mean that Israel should be “erased from the world”, it could also mean a whole lot of other things. For example, it could mean something like, “Palestinians should have an internationally recognised state”. The job of the police isn’t to engage in mind-reading.
Braverman continued: “Behaviours that are legitimate in some circumstances, for example the waving of a Palestinian flag, may not be legitimate such as when intended to glorify acts of terrorism”. So there may be circumstances where it’s not legitimate to wave a particular national flag? Does this apply to all national flags or just the Palestinian flag?
And how could it be known whether a particular act of flag-waving was “intended to glorify acts of terrorism”? If the flag-waver happened to be shouting “acts of terrorism are glorious”, I suppose it might, but the issue there would be the shouting – not the flag-waving.
Braverman is right to draw attention to intimidation of British Jews by pro-Palestine activists. Such intimidation is wrong and should be illegal. Yet just because many people find pro-Palestine protests at this time deeply offensive, doesn’t mean those protests – including the waving of national flags and the singing of chants that have been around for years – qualify as intimidation.
Interestingly, France has gone even further than Britain, banning all pro-Palestine protests until further notice – a blatant violation of free speech. The reason they did so is obvious: they don’t want a repeat of what happened in June/July, when thousands of young people of mostly Arab and African background rioted for two weeks following the police shooting of Nahel Merzouk.
Which illustrates a point I made earlier this year in article titled ‘The diversity trilemma’. You can pick two out of the following three: social stability, civil liberties, non-selective immigration. If you pick non-selective immigration, as France has done, you can’t have both social stability and civil liberties.
Yet as someone who values social stability and civil liberties, solving the ‘diversity trilemma’ by opting for selective immigration – thereby keeping our civil liberties intact – would seem to make a good deal more sense. Will our leaders reach the same conclusion before it’s too late? It’s not clear they will.
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Macron has declared the arrest of anyone protesting on behalf of the Palestinians..
Here in the UK an arrest has been made for someone wearing a Palestinian scarf.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/europe/france-ban-pro-palestinian-intl/index.html
It wasn’t for wearing a Palestinian scarf. There were thousands of people on the march wearing Palestinian scarves. Thankfully, the French ignored the ban.
I would argue that’s the role of the CPS and ultimately a Judge or Jury. The police only require suspicion.
Coming as it did mere hours after the slaughter of innocents by terrorists, this behaviour is not about free speech – I respect the freedom for debates about Palestine and its people to take place and I would defend that right even though I disagree with their position. Glorifying terrorism however is not a free speech issue.
Do you agree with Macrons ban in France?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/europe/france-ban-pro-palestinian-intl/index.html
From the CNN-article:
The ban follows a deadly and massive attack by militant group Hamas on Israel over the weekend that killed more than 1,200 people.
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The Israeli government has retaliated with overwhelming force in the coastal enclave of Gaza, which Hamas controls. Airstrikes have killed over 1,500 people in the densely inhabited area, and Israeli officials have shut off supplies of water and fuel to the entire population.
Absolutely priceless.
Quite, where does this influence over the global media to stick to the official narrative come from, just like the Covid scamdemic when every single media outlet sung from the same hymm sheet… Who’s cheif whip here??
… I’m intrigued
Depends on your idea of “speech”. I think you have to start from a position that all speech is allowed and carve out very narrow exceptions. As soon as you start applying value judgements then the whole thing is very easily abused. Anti lockdown/climate sceptic protestors are domestic terrorists who are celebrating killing people by spreading covid/global boiling.
What harm does it do to society to allow people to indulge in this kind of thing? Does that harm outweigh the harms of encroaching on everyone’s freedom of speech? Surely better for people who celebrate slaughter to be seen by all of us for what they are?
And for the record in case anyone thinks it’s relevant I would describe myself as vaguely pro-Israeli so I’m not coming from a position of “sympathy” for Hamas.
Surely better for people who celebrate slaughter to be seen by all of us for what they are?
Glorification of $really_evil_stuff is illegal comes straight from the censorship laws enshrined in the German constitution, which use the same wording. Hence, it seems a pretty safe assumption that the people/ groups who created the latter are identical to the people/ groups demanding the former must now be applied in a much more general way.
Interesting; thanks for the information. Do you think there is general support for this in Germany? If so, why do you think that is? Sadly I suspect that you would get considerable support here for such a law.
Antifascism is the official German state religion and hence, there’s considerable support for this after more than 70 years of heavy-handed brainwashing of pretty much all of the German population. People can actually go to jail for publishing poems some other people really don’t like and even for Facebook-liking the wrong pictures. There’s a dedicated branch of the secret service (the so-called Verfassungsschutz — protectors of the constitution) which deals mostly with this kind of stuff.
OTOH, censorship in Germany was only briefly abolished after 1919. It was quickly reintroduced to protect the youth from harmful influences (in the 1920s), so that’s just the normal state of affairs over there.
Thanks for the info. Think we’re going in the same direction. I seem to have upset pretty much all of my German friends and relatives (though tbf I’ve upset a majority of the people I used to have contact with).
So then why are there “hate speech” laws? ——We cannot have it all ways. Either allow all speech or not. There are no buts.
I agree with your point that you should start from a position of everything is allowed. I think perhaps where we differ is that I do not consider celebrating a terrorist atrocity to be permissible in a civil society.
What harm does it do?
Who decides what constitutes a “terrorist atrocity” and what is “celebrating”?
Perhaps a simpler solution would be not to have allowed into our country quite so many people who don’t like us much.
There is no value judgement to be made. Cutting heads of babies is ALWAYS wrong. When you show support for people who cut heads of babies, your whole argument stinks and has ZERO value. —You are 100% wrong and you are actually a diabolical disgrace.—–I understand the argument that we should see the true colours of these scum, but by that time they will have incited others to their cause of terror.
Well I’m not sure that any show of support or celebration of war and/or indiscriminate killing is appropriate or helpful, but it’s not uncommon. You could argue that Hamas are freedom fighters engaged in a war for their existence – I would not argue that, but it’s plausible. As for incitement, I think the people who are going to be “incited” will be anyway, and many others may be swayed to withdraw any sympathy or support when they see who they are dealing with.
Well why do we have “Hate Speech” laws then? If I am to be allowed unlimited Free Speech should I be able to run around saying “Kill Homosexuals”?———-I say there should be free speech and there should be no “buts” in that regard. Except where a person is breaking the law or inciting violence. The support for people who cut heads of babies is disgraceful and there is no point in hate speech laws if people can be arrested for swearing at a muslim but not if they wear hang gliders on their backs in support of baby killing.
I’m not keen on “hate speech” laws. Too broad, too easily abused. I am not sure about “Kill group X” type stuff – open to someone drawing up a narrow definition of what one could safely prohibit, though not sure it’s possible.
Don’t fall for the decapitated baby narrative – CNN have already apologised for that – they were ‘mislead’. The DT also had a picture too painful to show (clever theatre) but when you clicked on it, it wasn’t of decapitated babies. Bayonet babies is how they pull in the reserves – always works. Working now.
Oh so there is also the old lady narrative? There is also the young people who are non combatants out for a good time at a music festival narrative? ——I think it is you who is being misled. Going into another country and killing innocent people and taking others as hostages is ok with you, and you justify that by telling me there are no dead babies. If this happened in any other neck of the woods it would be condemned. So why not here. It is fine to support Israel if you want and it is fine to support Palestine if you want, but it is not fine to be ok with kidnapping and murder.
Glorifying terrorism however is not a free speech issue.
Glorifying terrorism, whatever that’s supposed to mean beyond being label you’d like to stick to speech you really want to outlaw, is absolutely a free speech issue.
One person’s act of terror is another person’s act of protest/freedom/moral duty, etc. Take your pick.
No-one of any human decency can approve of the pro-massacre demonstrations, but it is surely better that the general public who support uncontrolled immigration, or who have at best been ambivalent about it, can see who we’ve allowed into the country.
You either support free speech, with its few more obvious narrow exceptions, or you don’t, as distasteful as lots of people’s speech is to hear.
The Palestinian flag does not glorify terrorism.
But hang glider badges on the backs of people flying those flags does glorify it. Because it was gliders the terrorists used in this operation.
They won’t be content until they establish an Islamic State across all of the countries in the West. A teacher in France today got stabbed to death by a Muslim and two other adults have serious injuries. And still they are invited in to our countries. For what purpose are they here other than to replace and eradicate us? ”Individuals such as the pro-Hamas demonstrators rejoice in the annihilation of people because they subscribe to a death cult because they fanatically hate those they are taught are the “enemies of Islam” and because such murders make them believe that they are winning against those they want to annihilate. Hamas is barbaric, but what we have now seen is that this depravity has entered the collective mind of the West itself. In universities and other institutions and organizations, people have been blaming Israel for the Hamas pogrom. Throughout the West, Hamas depravity has been met with silence from people who habitually leap to condemn “micro-aggressions” and other liberal thought crimes. As the British cultural historian Dr. Philip Kiszeley has observed: “Significant portions of the population are now comfortable to publicly sing and dance in celebration of rape, torture and murder. And… Read more »
You’d feel the same if France took over England, booted out the English and kept 75% of their taxes. Here’s Mosche Dayan (IDF): ‘Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you, because these geography books no longer exist; not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either…You [Palestinians] shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wishes may leave, and we will see where this process leads’.
‘Violent desire’ is the least of their imbecilities. This has been a gradual erosion in standards of probity and nous that started at the end of the 1950s, that got a lot worse in the mid 1990s and it is as if licentiousness and the cult of ease have subsumed everything else. With these voices there is no point even attempting to be rational. It isn’t uncommon at all in educational and training environments to say to the exam sitters that you can refer to the answers at any time. This isn’t just ‘all must have prizes’ it is essentially a relinquishing of life force. Although in the last couple of years there has been a movement away from this entropy in that even the masses are starting to see certain truths. Even if all you have is enclavism you have to try and keep standards high. We know that those in power will measure public opinion and then respond to it in such a way that will maintain and augment their power and of course this has become much worse in the social media age.
There are many causes of social instability other than the wrong sort of immigrants. Unpopular government policies, extreme inequality of opportunity, perceived threats exacerbated by unscrupulous power seekers taking advantage , mass unemployment, the list goes on and on …. Really it is just a dilemma between social stability and civil liberties and there is no easy solution.
Why add an extra source of instability by importing millions of adherents of a totalitarian ideology which has been an enemy of Western Christian civilisation since it was invented?
Bangladeshi “Indian” restaurants excepted, it’s not as if they’ve brought any economic, scientific, technological or cultural benefits. Even on their best behaviour they’re just an extra burden on our collapsing infrastructure.
They didn’t bomb us into the stone age though did they? We did that. We are not the good guys.
Who make up a disproportionate number of unemployed, people in jail, and why?
“wrong sort of immigrants”
How about NO immigrants, for a few decades/centuries, until we’ve assimilated the ones that have arrived recently. I want England to remain English. But then I am a Horrible Racist.
It’s too late: English babies are now a minority.
We’ve lost.
Looks like it
To engage in discourse with such imbecility as our managers pronounce is to confer upon them a dignity that they don’t possess. It is like meeting some shady dull-witted spiv on a dark night his teeth yellow and breath foul and the look of the gutter about him. Such a character is not to be engaged on good faith terms. Whether it is their fault or not they are depraved, degenerate, stupid. But then we are faced with the doleful reminder that we are even more stupid for allowing such a crew to take hold of things. And there really is no excuse for lack of vigilance.
A thoughtful substack on the Israeli – Gaza situation offering a perspective I’ve not read elsewhere. A call for peace from a politician is a rare thing indeed.
https://emanuelprez.substack.com/p/address-to-the-american-people-on
Thanks for the link BB. This guy has it sussed to the core.
He’s a genuinely caring man, thoughtful & on the side of men, women & children. He’s been a guest of ours at MD4CE where his innate warmth, kindness & compassion were very striking. He’s doesn’t stand a chance in the presidential race but at least he’s raising difficult subjects & getting heard.
There are many kind hearted people doing what they can to stop the horror that is about to unfold and of course many more distressed by it. The grim truth is that this situaton is past the point of no retuern on every level. It would take intervention from a higher world to stop it. The implications are troubling to comprehend on a local and global level. All you can do is try to keep your humanity in the times ahead. And obviously keep an eye out just in case someone want might to lop your head off.
Who are all the people out in the streets supporting Hamas?
Any of them the fighting age young men getting the £5000 per seat rubber boats to Dover?
Most people just want to go about their daily lives. They don’t ask for a lot just to be left unmolested so that they can care for their families and enjoy a meaningful life. All of the other stuff is a loud minority. The fact that they are loud does not make them numerous or suggest that they are a mouthpiece.The feelings that you and I enjoy like feeling warm and loved and protected with a sense of belonging are universal human feelings. The enemy wants us to find the difference elsewhere. You have to engage a sublety of mind to see this. Just be aware that the enemy wants to take the best from you. And that is not just the moral best but the best in your heart that you carry around from moment to moment they want you to feel that it has always been thus and there was no time of feeling happier.
Stopping protests and pro-Palestinian expressions of support is not going to help reduce anti-semitism, its going to make it worse.
As almost always happens when the clumsy, heavy hand of the state tries to resolve a problem, it makes things worse.
This situation is going to be far bigger than any government in this country can impose controls upon. I wouldn’t trouble yourself about it the indices we will be very different in two weeks time and ‘government’ will have very tenuous control by then. There isn’t much to contribute in the raalm of discourse. I wouldn’t want people on social media chatting about my mother’s funeral. You either have some involvement or you don’t and if you do then you’re probably better off not talking about it.
Thank you for this article. I was beginning to think the DS was unravelling. I do not want government-proscribed opinions on any subject. We should not have a national viewpoint that all must adhere to or else be arrested or silenced. We all have different opinions whatever the subject and this a general comment, not specific to supporting either side of this war.
“I was beginning to think the DS was unravelling.”
I don’t think so. Whatever his other beliefs, the proprietor does believe in freedom of speech. I think part of it is that it’s a good opportunity to attack the hypocrisy of the left – though by this I am not saying that views expressed by various DS writers are not genuinely held.
Yep, Toby does genuinely believe in freedom of speech.
Burning flags is not free speech. Inciting violence is not free speech. There is a difference between a protest and a terrorist supporting rabble.
It’s already too late.
Pandora’s box was opened decades ago and the evils within it were released. All that is now left is Hope – and I’m afraid it is a forlorn one.
Sanity returns to the DS. I went on the London march today. Israelis, Palestinians, Jews and Muslims marched side by side. This is why these marches are important as people from both sides interact. There are many in Israel from both sides who can (and do) live peacefully. But on both sides the leadership has different ideas. What doesn’t help is the hysterical divide and rule of those with no skin in the game who whinge about the FA refusing to shine the Israeli flag over Wembley (with 700 dead Gazan children, this might not be appropriate) or a word the BBC doesn’t use. Divide and rule has worked for centuries. Most people who don’t sell arms or make money from loaning to governments for wars, pandemics & green nonsense, just want to live in peace with their neighbours – whoever they are.