Lead Author of Cochrane Mask Review Responds to Fauci’s Dismissal of Evidence

Former Chief Medical Advisor to the U.S. President Anthony Fauci was questioned over the weekend by CNN reporter Michael Smerconish about face masks being able to curb the spread of COVID-19.

“There’s no doubt that masks work,” said Fauci.

“Different studies give different percentages of advantage of wearing it, but there’s no doubt that the weight of the studies… indicate the benefit of wearing masks,” he added.

Smerconish brought up the 2023 Cochrane review which found no evidence that physical interventions like face masks could stop viral transmission in the community and cited my interview with lead author of the study Tom Jefferson who confirmed, “There is just no evidence that they [masks] make any difference. Full stop.”

Fauci replied, “Yeah but there are other studies,” stressing that masks work on an individual basis.

“When you’re talking about the effect on the epidemic or the pandemic as a whole, the data are less strong… but when you talk about an individual basis of someone protecting themselves or protecting themselves from spreading it to others, there’s no doubt that there are many studies that show there is an advantage,” said Fauci.

Dr. Tom Jefferson, who says he is committed to updating the Cochrane review as new evidence emerges, has responded to Fauci’s comments.

“So, Fauci is saying that masks work for individuals but not at a population level? That simply doesn’t make sense,” said Jefferson.

“And he says there are ‘other studies’… but what studies? He doesn’t name them so I cannot interpret his remarks without knowing what he is referring to,” he added.

Jefferson explains that the entire point of the Cochrane review was to systematically sift through all the available randomised data on physical interventions such as masks and determine what was useful and what was not.

Since 2011, the Cochrane review only included randomised trials to minimise bias from confounders.

“It might be that Fauci is relying on trash studies,” said Jefferson. “Many of them are observational, some are cross-sectional, and some actually use modelling. That is not strong evidence.”

“Once we excluded such low-quality studies from the review, we concluded there was no evidence that masks reduced transmission,” he added.

The problem with Fauci is that his story has changed.

Initially, Fauci said that masks were ineffective and unnecessary. In March 2020, Fauci told 60 Minutes, “Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks.”

But only a few weeks later, he did a U-turn and began recommending widespread use of face masks.

Fauci defended his U-turn saying, “When the facts change, I change my mind.” 

Jefferson retorted, “What facts changed? There were no randomised studies, no new evidence to justify his flip-flop. That’s simply not true.”

Since then, Fauci has remained adamant that face masks not only stop people from infecting others, but they also protect the wearer. 

Fauci advocated for the use of cloth masks, and even encouraged double-masking in the absence of evidence.

“You put another layer on, it just makes common sense that it would be more effective,” Fauci told NBC News.

“What Fauci doesn’t understand is that cloth and surgical masks cannot stop viruses because viruses are too small and they still get through,” said Jefferson.

He laments that public figures have tried to undermine the Cochrane review, despite it representing the gold standard of evidence.

Columnist Zeynep Tufekci wrote an article in the New York Times titled, ‘Here’s Why the Science Is Clear That Masks Work‘, claiming that Cochrane’s mask study had misled the public.

Cochrane’s Editor-in-Chief, Karla Soares-Weiser capitulated to pressure and ‘apologised’ for the wording in the plain language summary of the review because it “was open to misinterpretation” and may have led to “inaccurate and misleading” claims.

And former CDC director Rochelle Walensky misled Congress after claiming the Cochrane review had been “retracted”, which was patently false. 

As it stands, the Cochrane review will continue to be the subject of attacks because it presents a major roadblock for implementing masking policies. Jefferson says he doesn’t know what motivates people to ignore the facts. 

“Could it be part of this whole agenda to control people’s behaviour? Perhaps,” he speculated.

“What I do know,” said Jefferson, “is that Fauci was in a position to run a trial, he could have randomised two regions to wear masks or not. But he didn’t and that’s unforgivable.”

Fauci, who served as the federal Government’s top infectious disease specialist for nearly 40 years, stepped down in Dec 2022 and is now a professor at Georgetown University’s Department of Medicine, in the Division of Infectious Diseases.

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Dinger64
2 years ago

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, they are surgical masks for performing surgery! They stop bacterial spread from surgeon to patient, they do not stop viruses! Full hazmat suits stop viruses! This fecking twat was the government’s advisor? Good grief, no wonder the human race is screwed!

zebedee
zebedee
2 years ago
Reply to  Dinger64

I wear a surgical mask so that pressurised bodily fluids do not enter my mouth and nose when I stab someone.

JXB
JXB
2 years ago
Reply to  zebedee

Dexter? Is that you?

True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago
Reply to  zebedee

LOL

JXB
JXB
2 years ago
Reply to  Dinger64

A number of trials reveal that how effective surgical masks are at preventing wound infection, is not at all as clear cut as previously thought.

For a fist full of roubles
Reply to  Dinger64

A good example of evolution going wrong.

Mogwai
2 years ago
Reply to  Dinger64

I thought to myself, ”what are the odds of me contracting Covid or flu and getting ill purely based on the fact I didn’t wear a mask?” then I saw this and thought that it’s probably about the same as ending up as this critter’s next meal. And I don’t even like skiing. Masks are for hypochondriac muppets and do precisely bugger all…for the gazillionth time.

https://twitter.com/Enezator/status/1700147224788021686

True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago
Reply to  Dinger64

And they don’t even do a particularly great job to stop bacterial spread from surgeon to patient either, according to studies going back quite a while. They are largely a result of tradition more than evidence.

huxleypiggles
2 years ago

Fraudci is just that – a fraud. He is now acting like a petulant child constantly changing his story depending on his master’s whims. He should be ignored just as one would ignore a child having a tantrum. He is utterly pathetic but unfortunately still dangerous to humanity.

Top quality detritus.

Mogwai
2 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Totally. And the thing with him is, I’ve noticed, he just says words but he never seems to cite any studies. If he’s going to make these blatantly false assertions ( proven false now not just by scientific data but also real world evidence ) then he needs to be providing the studies to back up what he’s saying. Compare him to Dr Peter McCullough, who can just rattle off the scientific papers off the top of his head to support his statements, but I feel that with the evil gnome, his arrogance is so extreme, due to him inhabiting his ivory tower and enjoying his reputation as, Anthony ”I am The Science’ Fauci, for so long that he assumes his acolytes will just take anything that comes out of his corrupt little gob as the Gospel, no questions asked. I didn’t watch the above interview of him but did he cite one single study to support his BS, or is it all just vague remarks referring to ”oh but other studies show…”? The jury’s in, you evil little gobshite, and you’re no longer the God-like figure with celebrity status that the dumbass Americans looked up to and hung on… Read more »

True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Louis XIV: “I am the state.”

Fauci: “I am the science.”

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

huxleypiggles
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Nice one Mogs 👍

TheBasicMind
2 years ago

This provides an interesting case study in the reach of globalist policy. Fauci is perfectly capable of executing a U-Turn when it suits him. He is, in general, far more careful with his words than the average layman. As much as he has peddled misinformation, it is not directly and obviously so. He thinks ahead and modulates his language in a way that makes him sound adamant, but which usually allows the perfect get out at a later time. He is in other words the consummate politician and always had been. It is through use of his political skills and political acumen that he has run rings around his fellow scientists. But he has had too much exposure to be able to keep his story straight on everything. Videos have emerged showing him simply and straightforwardly contradicting himself on lockdown. He is now claiming he never demanded it, when there is unambiguous video of him doing precisely that. He claimed before Congress the work done at the Wuhan lab was not gain of function, when there are now emails where he refers to the work being done at the lab as gain of function. There are further emails showing funding… Read more »

True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago
Reply to  TheBasicMind

He has U-turned multiple times, whenever it was convenient for him and the narrative.

True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago

As I like to say, Cochrane Review beats peer review beats pal review beats anecdote beats pulled it out of where the sun don’t shine!

sskinner
2 years ago

Perhaps Google/Youtube supress this video, but here is Stephen Petty giving evidence on industrial Hygiene and why the masks used for Covid-19 were useless because they were not designed as a barrier to an airborne virus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3dnkbKoj4A&t=16s
Stephen Petty – On the effectiveness of masks

Mogwai
2 years ago
Reply to  sskinner

The problem is that we could throw scientific evidence and all of the rational arguments against mask-wearing at them until the cows come home but it won’t make a blind bit of difference because 1) this has nothing to do with public health, therefore all contradictory evidence is redundant and 2) we are not dealing with reasonable, logical people, therefore all contradictory evidence is redundant, again. No matter what angle you come at it from, the lack of efficacy demonstrated in the scientific literature, the physical harms that have now been proven, the psychological harms and the total lack of ethics around making people wear face-muzzles, nothing will make a difference like merely refusing to obey. Lack of compliance here, now that it’s plain as day there are nefarious objectives and ( not so hidden ) other agendas at play, really is the only way we get through this and beat them. It’s that simple. I’m a visual person so here’s another handy diagram that won’t make a jot of difference, including to the sheeple who won’t give up their magic face blanky.

https://twitter.com/CartlandDavid/status/1700456626052894901

True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

So true. These zealots are impervious to logic and reason. The only language they understand is disobedience. DO NOT COMPLY!

True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago
Reply to  sskinner

BINGO

transmissionofflame
2 years ago

I don’t care whether masks “work” or not. I don’t care whether lockdowns “work” or not. Covid was/is just another cold/flu. It’s simply not important enough for any of this nonsense to be worth discussing. Why is “reducing the spread of covid” a desirable goal. It can only ever mean “reducing the spread of covid temporarily, while restrictions are in place, after which you will get a concentrated spell of people being iller than usual”. Why is that something you’d want to aim for?

True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago

So true. We need to see the forest for the trees.

huxleypiggles
2 years ago

Exactly, which is what most of us said before.

Let it RIP!

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

And to this day, while most covidians I know (which is most people I know) have “moved on” and I think would be unamused by more lockdowns for “covid”, if I said to them “we should have done more or less precisely nothing about ‘covid'” they would still splutter and think I was mad or evil.

Monro
2 years ago

Just a thought: are any of these pro mask johnnies actually able to read?

‘By 1948 they had already received 500 volunteers. 

The initial testing showed that they were dealing with a virus which is much smaller than bacteria. This was discovered when samples from infected patients were passed through a very fine filter and yet they still passed on symptoms to another test subject.

The tests looked at how heavy particles produced by sneezes fell quickly to the ground, but small ones lose water by evaporation and could float in the air for an hour or two.’

‘Clinical trials at The Common Cold Unit’

Consequently the British Army has been equipped with Avon full face respirators with replaceable canister filters for decades now to be used, when required, for protection against biological agents.

The canisters have to be replaced every six months once fitted.

Anything else is pointless, which is why very many health professionals simply don’t bother.

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

By the way, in a spirit of helpfulness: ‘Objective—To determine whether inhaling fully humidified air at 43°C gave more benefit to cold sufferers than inhaling air at 30°C. Design—Randomised double blind trial. Setting—General practice and the common cold research unit. Subjects—87 Unselected patients with typical acute nasal and upper respiratory symptoms (general practice study), and 84 volunteers aged 18-50 without a history of chronic or allergic diseases. Interventions—Subjects breathed from apparatus delivering 40 litres of room air heated to 43°C or 30°C and fully humidified (relative humidity 100%) per minute. End point—Reduction in severity of disease. Measurements and main results—Patients recorded their symptoms (general practice study) and observers recorded symptoms and signs, weight of nasal secretions, isolation of virus, and antibody responses in volunteers. Patients treated for 20 minutes at 43°C had in the succeeding days roughly half the score for symptoms of those treated at 30°C. Volunteers treated for 30 minutes on three occasions when they were starting a cold showed a 43% reduction in symptoms. Treatment of volunteers for 20 minutes at the onset of the cold and for 10 minutes on succeeding days showed no difference between 43°C and 30°C. Conclusions—Nasal hyperthermia can improve the course of… Read more »

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

P.S. Apparently the Harvard Hospital where the Common Cold Unit was located was originally built as a stopgap to deal with an epidemic that did not break out!



True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Indeed, such basic facts have been known for a while.

Marque1
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

From what I recall from my 12 years, the canisters have a shelf life once opened of around 6 months but in an NBC environment they are swapped out every 24. This is extensively trained for. Practice, practice, practise. I once wore one for 24 hours and I am still not sure if I would rather have died. Dreadful experience. Masks filling up under the chin with exhaled moisture and sweat, difficulty in breathing properly because you are trying to draw air through a very fine activated charcoal filter.. Bloody awful. It is also the reason we are clean shaven. If not the seal is not very good.

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  Marque1

Spot on.

Fortunately, closed down within 60 tons of armour, one could simply pinch one’s nose (so making the right kind of noise) when talking on the radio so didn’t need to actually wear the wretched thing……

MTF
MTF
2 years ago

Jefferson and Henegan have an almost religious obsession with RCTs to the exclusion of all other forms of evidence. The truth is RCTs are better than observational trials at allowing for potential confounders but

RCTs do not address all confounders (e.g. placebo effects)
Observational trials can allow for a wide range of likely confounders
There are other considerations in addition to confounders and observational trials may do better than RCTs in these respects. In particular:

  • Realistic context – RCTs are inevitably in a controlled and therefore unreal context
  • Sample size – observational trials can have vastly bigger sample sizes
  • Duration – observational trials can continue for much longer periods than is realistic for most RCTs

Consider what you would conclude if initial RCTs for a new drug showed it was safe but then large scale observational evidence when it was used in practice showed it was not. Do you ignore the observational evidence?

Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

I observed politicians wearing face-coverings outside and then taking them off when they went inside.

I observed unmasked rich and powerful people being served by masked minions.

I observed the government passing a law – or was it just guidance? – that people could be unmasked sitting down in restaurants but not standing up.

I observed that you could avoid the things just by claiming to be exempt.

I concluded that whatever masking was about, it wasn’t about restricting the spread of a trivial virus.

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Why should anyone care whether “masks” “work” “against covid” (whatever all of those words and phrases could possibly mean)? Just another cold/flu, move on, expend energy on important things, laugh at anyone who suggests otherwise. MTF and people like him/her are exactly why we should just dismiss anyone pushing covid out of hand. As them to prove that covid is in any way remarkable, unusual, an existential threat to society, significantly different to other illnesses that we have coexisted with forever. They will not be able to conjure up enough dead people to do so, and should be treated with utter contempt.

Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
2 years ago

I’d love to see them attempting to prove, in court and under oath, that the spike in deaths in Spring 2020 was caused by the new disease rather than being iatrogenic in nature.

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

There’s a good chance a lot of it was very little to do with any actual virus called “covid”, but even some of it was, so what? It doesn’t come close to justifying what was done. If anyone thinks that a “deadly pandemic” requires an advertising campaign in order to make people take notice of it, then I don’t recognise those people as belonging to the same species as me and I want to be as far away from them as possible.

MTF
MTF
2 years ago

This doesn’t seem to relate to my comment at all which didn’t even mention masks or Covid!

Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

You replied to an article about masks and covid but your comment was completely unconnected?

MTF
MTF
2 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

You may not be familiar with the background to this. The 2023 Cochrane review on NPIs which Jefferson was referring to limited itself to RCTs only. This is what he meant when he said “There is just no evidence that they [masks] make any difference. Full stop.” Others have argued that there is evidence – just not in the form of RCTs. In his blog Jefferson has repeatedly argued that RCTs supersede all other forms of evidence.

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Your comment is in response to an article contrasting the differing approaches to “evidence” between Fauci and Jefferson, specifically with respect to “mask” “efficacy” “against covid”.

DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

The MTF chatbot rides again

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  MTF

If you are in government, that is, as we have seen, exactly what you do.

MTF
MTF
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Presumably you disapprove of it when government does it? So you accept that observational studies sometimes supersede RCTs?

True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago

Amen. Tom Jefferson sure does live up to his famous Founding Father namesake as an American freedom fighter! (Minus the owning and diddling of slaves, of course.)

Mogwai
2 years ago

If he wore a hat he’d be the spit of Terry Pratchett. Mind you, I think Andrew Bridgen bares an uncanny likeness to Frodo Baggins. Or perhaps more Bilbo… 🙂

FlynnQuill
2 years ago

What Fauci meant to say when he said “when the facts change, I change my mind” is “My pay masters have told me the facts have changed, so I’ve changed my mind”. What a scumbag.

Epi
Epi
2 years ago

Fauci is a crook and a liar.

DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
2 years ago

Georgetown University’s Department of Medicine – Division of Infectious Diseases has employed a quack and a liar as a Professor. Says a lot for their recruitment processes. NOT

Susanoo
Susanoo
2 years ago

They’re not masks, they’re muzzles.

waterbear
2 years ago

In Pfauciland you don’t do studies to learn the truth. You do “studies“ to force people to do things that will make money for your friends.