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VWTS
VWTS
2 years ago

Peter Hitchens is, as usual, right: the death penalty is in principle a good thing, but the present state of Britain’s judiciary makes it impossible to advocate seriously for its reintroduction. The Letby case is a prime example of that, as was the Sally Clark case 20 years ago.

True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago
Reply to  VWTS

I say we give the convicts a choice: 1) death, or 2) life in prison without parole. Many will actually choose the former. Once on death row, you get 30 days to decide your fate, and if you don’t decide either way by day 29, by default you get executed on day 30. And none of these fancy expensive drugs (or gas, or electric chairs), an ordinary firing squad will do just fine. (Cigarette and blindfold optional.)

NeilParkin
2 years ago

I think that having the State in a position where they can decide to end your life on a pre-text is a bad idea right now. You might end up on a trap door with only a rope to break your fall for a misplaced Tweet. On the Letby case, I know that there is a lot of emotion around this, but there are also considerable concerns about the case and verdict and an appeal is likely.

Roy Everett
2 years ago

I’m with Blackstone, especially on this type of case. IMHO there are too many cases like Lucia de Berk or Ben Gunn for comfort.

1984imminent
2 years ago
Reply to  VWTS

Do we want the death penalty? Think about it. Do we want to hand the government on a plate a method of permanently silencing individuals they do not like, when “cancelling” them does not go far enough? Do we trust the government not to abuse the law? Look at how they used the Public Health Act. Do some of us suspect that over the last three years, the government has been killing off sections of society they do not like, under our very noses? As a sticker on a bus stop in north London observed, Boris Johnson wrote about “why is nobody controlling the population?” in 2008 or so. As for whether LL is guilty or not, with all the circumstantial evidence (funny how she has a highly memorable alliterative name, like Sharon Shoesmith, who was also turned into a public pariah): I would like to think that if the evidence got through a 10-month trial, with all the crown court protocol, and the jury took a month to deliberate, it’s extremely unlikely that she is innocent. There were probably plenty of opportunities for her to get off on a technicality. I don’t know how widely reported the case was… Read more »

MichaelM
2 years ago
Reply to  1984imminent

“I would like to think that if the evidence got through a 10-month trial, with all the crown court protocol, and the jury took a month to deliberate, it’s extremely unlikely that she is innocent.”

Given what many of us have learnt over the last few years, we should IMO definitely be questioning the integrity of the justice system as applied in individual cases. Judges can be bought off and/or threatened, as can defence lawyers. And defence lawyers can be incompetent. And the jury process is also open to abuse and cannot be relied upon, IMO.

Nicholas Britton
2 years ago
Reply to  1984imminent

The death penalty is acceptable when one has a sound and uncorrupted criminal justice system. We don’t have one. Interestingly , in Old Testament times, which is often condemned for being a bloodthirsty era, criminal convictions required at least two witnesses to the crime, and conviction rested on the eyewitness accounts being in agreement. Anybody giving false witness to the crime was dealt the same punishment as the accused would have received. There was no question of convicting someone on circumstantial evidence either, like simply being in a certain place at a certain time.

godknowsimgood
godknowsimgood
2 years ago
Reply to  VWTS

If Lucy Letby ever eventually wins an appeal, a lot of people are going to look very stupid, like Lord Denning and many others after the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four won their appeals.

NeilParkin
2 years ago

Disbelief at Reading Festival’s ban on ‘cultural appropriation’ clothes” 

Judging by the state the revellers left the campsite in, we should all be grateful that our future World is in such good hands..

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The old bat
2 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

And I bet the vast majority of these people just abandoning their unwanted posessions to the four winds consider themselves ‘green’ and ‘eco aware’. Hypocrites.

NeilParkin
2 years ago
Reply to  The old bat

Thery leave the tents and sleeping bags ‘for charity’ as if anyone actually wants damaged and burned tents, and sleeping bags reeking of urine and vomit. I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole lot ended up in a hole in the ground…

NeilParkin
2 years ago

Democrats’ climate change blame game for Hawaii fire confronted by reality after Maui identifies cause” 

…but as always, the lie has been round the world while truth was putting its boots on…

Mogwai
2 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Some arsonists apprehended in Greece are allegedly migrants also.

”For the past week, Greece has once again been plagued by wildfires, particularly in the vicinity of Alexandroupolis, in the northeast of the country, near the border with Turkey, which is close to where 13 Pakistani and Syrian migrants were arrested for arson.
A video posted on social networks last Tuesday says the group was caught red-handed trying to start a fire near the town of Alexandroupolis. They have been charged with illegal entry and attempted arson by a public prosecutor, but one government source says the fire was an “accident.”

https://rmx.news/greece/13-pakistani-and-syrian-migrants-arrested-for-arson-as-deadly-wildfires-erupt-near-greek-border/

ebygum
2 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

..I think it’s still got some way to run..a lot of stuff I’m reading is now saying that while TPTB want people to accept the ‘utility company’ story…they don’t believe that’s true either.
There are still entire families missing presumed dead….including hundreds of children, and still no one is talking about them….….there is still a lot of talk about it being a land-grab?……Still a lot of apparent inconsistencies in the stories…

NeilParkin
2 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

I have heard that Oprah WInfrey bought the land not too long back, something I’ve not been able to confirm…

ebygum
2 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

The brilliant actor James Woods said this on his X feed, about Maui..which might hold a fair bit of truth!?

“Someday after all the land is appropriated, Hollywood will make a movie about this. Rich people in tuxedoes will celebrate their compassion and give each other little gold statues. And then everything will be forgotten”

transmissionofflame
2 years ago

Wikipedia should focus on content creation – not social justice campaigns” 

Wikipedia’s content IS a social justice campaign, where they are able to squeeze it in. Who “runs” it is somewhat opaque to me; there are lots of volunteers contributing who I imagine are mainly lefties judging by the articles, but I am not sure how you get to be one of the people who decide stuff when there are disputes – but it’s been taken over by the left just like everything else. Still some good stuff in there on non-political subjects.

Shimpling Chadacre
2 years ago

Indeed. On TV series and discographies, Wikipedia is fine. It’s also very useful when looking up peoples’ Early Life. But much beyond that it veers off into far-left propaganda.

You only have to look at the Talk page for each article to see how the process is managed.

Only left and far-left leaning publications are acceptable as “trusted sources”, so it’s inherently biased and often full of establishment lies, e.g. Trump and Russia.

On a related note, I use a search blocker called uBlacklist which allows you to block websites from google search results. I find results to be much more useful when you get rid of the propaganda from the Guardian, BBC, Independent, CNN and NYT that Google pushes to the top.

transmissionofflame
2 years ago

Why isn’t it cultural appropriation when non-Europeans wear European style clothing? Tells you all you need to know. Everything to do with race and culture is just a thinly disguised way to attack white people and our culture.

Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
2 years ago

South Asians should stop using chillis in their food: chillis came from the Americas and were introduced to Asia by evil white people from Portugal.

transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

Thanks; I didn’t know that. I will try to throw that into conversations.

The whole idea that “cultural appropriation” is bad or even avoidable is so absurd that you wonder how it has taken hold and how a civilisation that embraces ever progressed beyond living in caves.

Jon Garvey
2 years ago

Living in caves was cultural appropriation from Australopithecines, so wash your mouth out with soap. Oh, that was invented by foreigners too.

True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

LOL so true

True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago

I know, right? The whole specious concept of “cultural appropriation” being somehow bad is really just silly. Literally EVERY culture in history (and prehistory), except perhaps those tiny few who remain isolated and uncontacted to this day, is “guilty” of this “sin”. Even if it is defined a bit more narrowly, such as picking and choosing what one wants from another culture and discarding the rest, practically every culture is still “guilty” of doing so as well.

transmissionofflame
2 years ago

Talking of isolated peoples, I once got into an argument on YouTube regarding the inhabitants of the North Sentinel Islands who tend to kill visitors. Some ship ran aground nearby at some point in the past and they went onto the ship and stripped it of stuff that looked useful to them. The narrator of this video I watched made some comment along the lines of “and so, the Sentinelese entered the Iron Age”. I pointed out that the Iron Age was when humans noticed there was iron ore in the ground, dug it up, learned how to manipulate it and made useful stuff with it. That’s not quite the same as finding a crowbar on a ship. Some lamebrain replied to me along the lines of “but yes they were in an Iron Age because they were using iron tools”. No wonder we’re doomed if people really think like that.

True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago

Indeed, one’s IQ can easily drop ten points just hearing someone say that.

huxleypiggles
2 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

As did potatoes and tomatoes and corn. These foods spread across the globe but their origin was South America.

Mustn’t forget tobacco too. Actually, isn’t tobacco due for a revival given its serious adverse effects on health?

Mogwai
2 years ago

This really does make for concerning reading when you see an overview of the situation like this. ‘Mohammed’ has eclipsed ‘John’! ‘The great replacement’ going great guns in the UK and across Europe; ”Leicester, Luton and Birmingham are among 14 large areas of England where people who identify as “white” now make up the minority. The highest proportion are found in the London boroughs of Newham (69.2%), Brent (65.4%) and Redbridge (65.2%). Outside London, the highest proportion of non-whites is in Slough (64.0%), followed by Leicester (59.1%), Luton (54.8%) and Birmingham (51.4%). For the first time since the 7th century AD, England is no longer majority-Christian. “The British will be a minority by 2066,” wrote David Coleman, the most important English demographer, professor at Oxford, in Prospect magazine. “The 50 percent threshold has no special demographic significance, but it will have considerable psychological and political impact, and the transition from majority to minority will represent a huge shift in cultural, political and religious identity.” And in the future, to accommodate all immigrants from Asia, England will have to build “eighteen Birminghams”. Mohammed today is the first name in all of England: the first in Manchester, the first in Nottingham, the first in… Read more »

allofusarefat
allofusarefat
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

“…in pursuance of a decision on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country”, as someone once said.

ebygum
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Yes..although we are told that from the last census around 18% of the UK population is from an ‘ethnic’ background, what they fail to mention is that in schools that jumps to over 35% of children are from ethnic backgrounds….I’m not sure it will take to 2066?…..

Mogwai
2 years ago

Bit ‘rabbit holey’ or maybe paranoid for this early in the day ( 🙂 ) but this does sound kind of prophetic from decades ago. Maybe we are becoming the slowly boiling frogs as our cities turn gradually into prisons..and this is before the internet! Man’s got a point. ( 3min clip )

https://twitter.com/WillingWitness/status/1696202515300458788

WyrdWoman
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Chilling. And quite possibly true.

allofusarefat
allofusarefat
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Their future is in the control which can be exercised in cities, especially “smart” C40 cities. Rural areas are a real problem for them: all those hard to get to places to evade detection, outbuildings they don’t know about, farm animals and fields providing self-sufficiency, mechanical plant allowing unregulated travel/digging/building, undeclared fuel dumps, the odd firearm, plenty of pitchforks, the absence of easy surveillance/control options, not to mention a curmudgeonly local population (of which I am one). Patrick Vallance’s document on imagining net zero admits as much, in saying that institutional trust/compliance is much higher and easier to enforce among urban populations. Hence concerted attacks on rural ways of life. If enough people (1) leave the city and (2) ditch their smartphones, the whole project collapses.

True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Wow, spot on!

Jon Garvey
2 years ago

Wikipedia should focus on content creation – not social justice campaigns

The naivete of some of these writers is annoying. Do they think that the social justice campaigns in Wikipedia are accidental? And are we not past the times when it is useful to say “X ought to be doing Y instead of Z,” since the whole strategy is to achieve Z?

It’s like saying that Lenin would be better off getting agriculture right instead of worrying about class enemies.

WyrdWoman
2 years ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

Quite. For starters, it would be helpful if Wikipedia focussed on facts and truth first and held back on narrative-based opinion, censorship and whitewash rather than AI-driven content creation!

WyrdWoman
2 years ago

BlackRock hit by backlash after fall in ESG votes” 

Since when has an ethically questionable company with a value greater than several countries given a sh*t about anything other than their own agenda? I’m sure they can cope with a few basis points off their share value for a few days while they drive through their plans for world domination.

JayBee
2 years ago

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/08/28/cochrane-review-the-latest-scientific-institution-ruined-by-covid-ideology-n574233#google_vignette
“This is another example of how scientific institutions have been destroying themselves. The narrative requires that mask mandates work; the reality is that they don’t. In a rational world, scientists would simply put out the evidence and let the political actors do their thing. They shouldn’t be activists for or against masks, but rather providers of evidence.
But that is no longer the role of scientists. They have assumed the role of oracles whose job it is to act as con men, backing up the claims of the “right” people.
This works in the short term–most people fall in line, believing that the scientists are non-partisan truth-tellers–and destroys scientific credibility in the long run. People catch on to the con.”

True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

So true

ebygum
2 years ago

Well blow me down with a feather..we were right..of course we were….

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12453329/99-PERCENT-Covid-deaths-not-caused-virus-official-data.html#:~:text=Nearly%2099%20percent%20of%20%27Covid,the%20virus%2C%20official%20data%20shows.

Nearly 99 percent of ‘Covid deaths’ reported by the CDC each week are not primarily caused by the virus, official data shows.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Covid dashboard shows just 1.7 percent of the 324 Covid deaths registered in the week ending August 19 had the coronavirus as the primary cause of death.

(not behind a pay-wall)

ebygum
2 years ago

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/authorities-in-denial-over-vaccine-link-to-soaring-pilot-deaths/

PILOT deaths are in the news again as three more have ‘died suddenly’ this month.

Recent freedom of information (FOI) requests to the CAA and the RAF show an alarming increase in the number of commercial and armed forces pilots registered unfit to fly post the vaccination rollout.

pilots:
·       2018 – 1,550 – normal year
·       2019 – 1,663 – first covid cases reported in December 2019
·       2020 –   851 – air travel restricted because of lockdowns, covid infections at their worst, no vaccine until December
·       2021 – 1,594 – vaccine widely available from January and mandated for US and Australian pilots in November but not for British, the majority of whom would have taken the vaccine or faced restrictions flying to countries with vaccine mandates
·       2022 – 2,784 – post vaccination, huge increase in failed medicals – 75 per cent.

BurlingtonBertie
2 years ago

I posted this yesterday but am reposting as this information is mind blowing & completely destroys the whole ‘deadly virus pandemic with vaccines as the only way to stop it’ false narrative. It also destroys the avian flu narrative.

It is well worth investing your time watching this. Lots of information is presented & the fact that ‘covid’ symptoms are exactly the same as radiation exposure symptoms is a good way to get folk questioning the need for a ‘vaccine’ to prevent the radiation exposure.

https://rumble.com/user/cbkovess

ebygum
2 years ago

Hear, hear! LOL!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJs2yZpQFWA

ALISTAIR WILLIAMS …September Lockdowns?

ebygum
2 years ago

Discussion with John Campbell and Russel Grant…
Full of interest and info…..

Starts with Moderna’s $400 million ‘donation’ to the NIH…Rishi’s investment in Moderna, and Van Tams new job there…but there’s nothing to see here!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh8CBR78DhQ

JayBee
2 years ago

Were and are all the variants made in the lab as well?
Some credible researchers from Japan have found anomalies that suggest so.
https://www.steynonline.com/13744/who-making-the-variants

JohnK
2 years ago

For the time being, “ULEZ: Chaos as fines cancelled”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAnStegdz6Y&list=WL&index=2 This matter was reported on GBN as well.

JohnK
2 years ago
Reply to  JohnK

And another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQJ3XxKpOoU&list=WL&index=3 A “Black Belt Barrister” production this time.

porgycorgy
porgycorgy
2 years ago

Quite astonishing that there should be any question of the death penalty in the Letby case. For a start, it has not yet been demonstrated to the public that she is without any shadow of a doubt guilty.