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FerdIII
2 years ago

Excellent speech Toby. Well done and stated. As you said, the new religious orthodoxy produces nothing of value and like fascism or communism which it imitates, has no humour or creativity. It will fail. Agree on your optimism. We need to fight back and stand firm.

lymeswold
lymeswold
2 years ago

Good to read an upbeat view on the battle against wokeness, and I’m sure many of us are grateful for the stand Toby is taking.

Worth noting however that some anti-woke campaigners take a less sanguine view. James Lindsay in particular (https://newdiscourses.com/) recently likened U.S. wokeism to the early stages of Mao’s Cultural Revolution, in which 45 million or more people died. Of course that couldn’t possibly happen here in the West, you might think. I’m not so sure … history and the current socio-political trajectory of the planet might suggest otherwise. The tragic lack of hope in the future which so many of the younger generation seem to feel could be a slow-burning fuse.

NeilofWatford
2 years ago

I for one very much appreciate Toby’s stand on woke.
Suggestion: there are many voices against wokism but no single channel through which to focus our opposition. Thus, the wokists (corporations, universities, local government, sports teams et al) divide and conquer.
The boycott of Budweiser in the USA demonstrates the power of focused action and its an easy hit.
What is needed is a banner to fight under, say ‘War on Woke’. A simple web based list of entities that champion wokism, categorising what they’ve done and what their products are.
I can act for myself (I already have against PayPal, John Lewis, Sainsbury) but we could apply real power if we unite under a name.
There are more of us than them and our money is used by wokists to bully us. Enough, so starve them.
Thoughts?

huxleypiggles
2 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

“Thoughts?”

I haven’t read Toby’s speech yet but if reference is not made to the Free Speech Union – Join Up.

Membership is over 10k and it now has clout. A large Membership can really be a force for good.

(I’m not on commission. Honest😀)

lymeswold
lymeswold
2 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

I would support this. I may be mistaken, but I think the success of the Bud Light boycott in the U.S. has been to a large extent because Matt Walsh (in particular) has championed it. He has a large social media following and (arguably) a single-issue message. A UK campaign would need to follow a similar model to be successful.

DHJ
DHJ
2 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

Corporations, universities, local government, sports teams etc. can push an agenda such as this as part of the mundane day-to-day without giving it a thought. An edict comes down from on high, training is selectively provided by a special interest group and many people want a quiet life and a job so off it goes. Some will zealously support it but I suspect the silent majority does not.

A “War on woke” allows those of power and influence to sit back and watch the plebs squabble, monetise the conflict and seize more control.

“War on [Central Banks/WHO/Bilderberg/CFR/NGO’s/Intelligence Services/Billionaire philanthropists…]” is possibly closer to confronting the root of the problem.

Monro
2 years ago

The ‘new authoritarian ideology’ is not new.

It is Socialist Fascism.

‘Fascism is not only a system of government but also and above all a system of thought.’

‘Fascism is therefore opposed to all individualistic abstractions based on eighteenth century materialism; and it is opposed to all Jacobinistic utopias and innovations. It does not believe in the possibility of “happiness” on earth……’

‘The Doctrine of Fascism’ Benito Mussolini 1932

RW
RW
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

One of the reasons why the wokester with their superficially repainted Marxism are so successful is this stubborn refusal to learn about the past if this would mean abandonding beloved political catchphrases which have – through constant misuses by each and everyone, not the least to wokultists themselves, who also keep fighting fascist genocides whenever someone isn’t favourably impressed by the latest haircolour – become so hackneyed that they don’t really mean anything anymore.

Hence, once again, a corporatist nation state is something very much different from a global absence of nations, states and peoples not-so-covertly controlled by commercial, encorporated multinational somethings and international NGOs. When you (all of you) manage to learn that (I’m obviously not holding my breath), you will have made the first successful step towards combatting wokeism, namely, realizing that it’s not somehow a continuation of a war against Germany, Italy and Japan which has long ended.

The past is over and this fight is about the future.

Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  RW

‘The past is over and this fight is about the future’

As a statement of the blindingly obvious, this would be hard to improve on.

The fundamental tenet of fascism, totalitarian socialism, is timeless.

‘Fascism denies that numbers, as such, can be the determining factor in human society; it denies the right of numbers to govern by means of periodical consultations; it asserts the irremediable and fertile and beneficent inequality of men…’

Very far from being in the past, over, it has simply been repackaged, renamed, again, by the very same authoritarian left from under whose rock Mussolini once crawled.

porgycorgy
porgycorgy
2 years ago

Good speech, informative and helpful. ‘Medusa’ or ‘Gorgon’ is missing in the paragraph beginning ‘This helps explain the feeling’. You might also want to re-visit the Sistine Chapel – it came out as ‘Sistine Chapple’. Is your proof-reader having a day off? 🙂

NeilParkin
2 years ago

Woke has gone through our society like a wild-fire. People generally like to be fair and compassionate, and at its thin end, its soft end, thats how a lot of people see it. They dont see the stuff that will put them in the back of a truck on the way to a gulag. I just think that the world has gone insane, and lost its values, or at least the western world has.

It will burn itself out, 10, 20, 50 years, but it will end eventually. Probably when, in another 20 years they are still pushing ’12 months to save the planet’, and everyone realises they’ve been had. Maybe then, when the USA and the Anglosphere has collapsed, we will realise that we’ve all just lived through WW3, it was fought on social media, and we lost.

DHJ
DHJ
2 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

7 years max.

MTF
MTF
2 years ago

I am confused by the first paragraph. For the past three years, in my capacity as General Secretary of the Free Speech Union, I’ve been one of the leaders of the the Anti-Woke Coalition (AWC). That’s my term for the loose collection of writers, journalists, broadcasters, artists, podcasters, YouTubers, Substackers, academics, intellectuals and politicians who are united in their opposition to the new authoritarian ideology that has swept through the English-speaking world over the past 10 years. This movement has many names – post-modern neo-Marxism, the successor ideology, critical social justice theory – but the most common is ‘woke’ or some variation on the word ‘woke’: ‘woke-ism’, ‘wokery pokery’, ‘woke-us dei’ Is the collection of “writers, journalists, broadcasters, artists, podcasters, YouTubers, Substackers, academics, intellectuals and politicians” the AWC or is it the woke movement? I would hope that both the woke and anti-woke are opposed to authoritarian ideology. Certainly the rash of authoritarian governments that have sprung up round the world are overwhelmingly right wing and anti-woke. This reflects a general confusion about who the “woke” enemy are. Toby writes: the core beliefs of the devotees …. that English-speaking countries are systemically racist, that we’re in the midst of a ‘climate emergency’, that capitalism… Read more »

Claphamanian
Claphamanian
2 years ago

What is it that makes one of C S Lewis’ moral tyrants?  In 1894, the man who was to become the bishop of Durham wrote, ‘The temptation of a religious (as of a secular) majority is always to tyrannise, more or less, in matters of thought or practice. A dominant school, in any age or religion, too easily comes to talk and act as if all expression on the other side were an instance of “intolerance”, while yet it allows itself in sufficiently severe and censorious courses of its own.’  The bishop made the point that all human beings are moral beings. All have a conscience they must act on and within, and the violation of which by themselves feels like, and indeed often is, a step on the road to perdition. The moral tyrants that Lewis had in mind were likely to be those who insisted that others implement, not their own conscience, but that of the tyrant. It’s that insistence that makes the tyranny. This tyranny is one that the Apostle Paul specifically warned his Christian converts against doing in his Roman epistle.  Bear in mind that if you take up the position of the guerrilla against the… Read more »

MTF
MTF
2 years ago
Reply to  Claphamanian

They are good people who want you to act as if their conscience is yours. As both the bishop of Durham and the Apostle Paul declared, even if their conscience is better than yours, they are still acting the tyrant. 

That raises some interesting issues in moral philosophy. It is a feature of many (most?) moral philosophies that morality is universal. We can disagree about whether abortion is wrong but if it is wrong then it is wrong for everyone. The alternative is some kind of moral relativism. I want you to act according to my view of what is right or wrong. I want everyone to act that way. Any other view would relegate morality to little more than a matter of personal taste.

DHJ
DHJ
2 years ago

Nicola Sturgeon originally looked like an ideologist but laterally I wonder if she was just another corrupt politician at the mercy of Other Interests.

Given she took up driving lessons immediately on departure for “personal freedom”, it seems she did not believe in her own governments 20% car kilometre reduction proposal and the Local Living and 20 minute neighbourhoods plan (public consultation currently open and as badly advertised as all other government consultations).

beaniebean
beaniebean
2 years ago

Excellent speech!
I particularly love the CS Lewis quote, “Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.”
Obviously our leaders have not been sincere in their headlong rush towards totalitarianism, but have still claimed their excessive powers only because it was absolutely necessary for our own good.
I for one refuse to be a victim of their fake beneficence any longer and am heartened that the beginnings of a guerrilla fight back is occurring.
We the people vastly outnumber our oppressors and should never forget that fact.

MTF
MTF
2 years ago
Reply to  beaniebean

Worth reading Kenan Malik

If you defend free speech, you must defend it all and not silence those you disagree with
Government suppression of free speech is a much bigger concern that academic suppression.

An expert on chemical weapons, Kaszeta had been invited to address a government-organised conference on the issue last week. Then, he was disinvited because, as an official email put it, a “check on your social media has identified materials that criticised government officials and policy”.

Under secret rules drawn up by Rees-Mogg, civil servants must trawl through social media posts of all speakers at official events. Anyone critical of government policy can be banned. Not just Kaszeta, but a number of other speakers, too, have been disinvited for “criticism of government policy”.